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Medicaid v Medicare
Vanity | 1/23/14 | self

Posted on 01/23/2014 4:00:55 PM PST by umgud

What are the major differences between Medicaid, Medicare? Which covers more? Since Obamacare thrusts so many into Medicaid, and has raised income limits, can a retiree chose Medicaid over Medicare? Can I assume a person who retires early (at 62) and can't get Medicare until 66, can get Medicaid?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; exchanges; healthcare; medicaid; medicaidexpansion; medicare; obamacare

1 posted on 01/23/2014 4:00:55 PM PST by umgud
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To: umgud

I can’t say which covers more. Medicare is for those on Social Security, either retired or on Social Security Disability. I think you have to wait 2 years after getting SS Disability to get Medicare. Medicaid, or Medi-Cal for California, is income-qualified. I would think you could get Medicaid before becoming eligible for Medicare if you meet the income restrictions.


2 posted on 01/23/2014 4:13:45 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: umgud

Having been a consultant for many years at the IL Dept. of Public Aid (the MEDICAID agency), I can answer for IL based on experience.

Each state can optionally cover some aspects and receive the Federal matching funds commensurate with their coverage and documentation. IL, at the time, was a 50% match. All states cover basically what Medicare covers at Federal direction but, again, can add services.

IL had no limitation on service to a recipient and no co-pays of any kind. They made a half-hearted attempt at collection from third party payers if the individual may have been covered by some sort of insurance. While some procedures required prior approval, if the doctor recommended it, the procedure was almost always approved. And, yes, that included organ transplants and the like. Do not recall seeing any sex-change procedures but then when I was there, that wasn’t so ‘common’.

The only safeguard against overuse of the MEDICAID system was the low reimbursement rate for everyone other than hospitals and nursing homes who were paid very well. IL had to pay less than what Medicare paid for a doctor’s procedure and that Medicare payment was low to begin with.

At one point IL paid $8.10 for a common office visit. That visit cost you or me $25.00. The state rate only went up if the Fed rate went up and, as doctors lost money on MEDICAID clients, it wasn’t long before you and I were paying $65.00 for that same visit. The only other way to make money as a physician was to herd patients through like cattle and make money in bulk.

Sadly, MEDICAID was some good coverage. Too good, and it was abused until it became a lifetime ‘right’. Hey, costs me nothing to go to the doctor/hospital/dentist/whatever, I have my green card (the IL MEDICAID card which was never green to my knowledge - color based on your status).


3 posted on 01/23/2014 4:27:03 PM PST by RonInNaples
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To: RonInNaples

Yhanks, that’s pretty informative.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 4:30:11 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: umgud

Medicare starts at 65.
Medicaid is primarily for unemployed or low income


5 posted on 01/23/2014 4:32:33 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

Medicare can be applicable in the case of disability (blindness, etc) at any age.

Medicaid can be awarded to a Medicare client at any age for need-based reasons.

Medicaid is still for low income, if you, consider the $32,500 limit for a family of four under Expanded Medicaid “low”.


6 posted on 01/23/2014 4:41:04 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: umgud

As many of my former patients used to say about MediCaid “It’s the bestest insurance cuz it don’t cost you a thing”


7 posted on 01/23/2014 4:42:14 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: umgud
Evidently, if you are on Medicaid, they will come after your estate after you die. I haven't figured it all out yet, but Obamacare is expanding the Medicaid roles with middle class people who lost their insurance. Now they can go after the person's estate. Some people are saying they can go after your estate even if you don't use the Medicaid. I heard that on Fox News tonight. That doesn't make sense, but then Obamacare doesn't make any sense.

By putting middle class people on Medicaid through the ObamaCare website rather than letting them keep their current insurance, the government will be able to take assets after the person dies. If they had been able to keep their insurance, they might not owe anything to the government.

8 posted on 01/23/2014 5:24:50 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Sickening.


9 posted on 01/23/2014 5:34:10 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: FR_addict; umgud
Evidently, if you are on Medicaid, they will come after your estate after you die.

Medicaid Estate Recovery for Expanded Medicaid enrollees has been repealed in Washington State and Oregon, except for long-term care (nursing home) expenses, with other states headed in the same direction.

Many conservatives, however, favor the recovery as it is repaying taxpayers for the care provided to them.

10 posted on 01/23/2014 5:38:22 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: FR_addict

They *will* go after your estate. Whatever Medicaid paid out for your care will be tallied up and the government will be first in line to take that amount. Your house, your car, your bank account.


11 posted on 01/23/2014 5:38:49 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: FR_addict
Some people are saying they can go after your estate even if you don't use the Medicaid.

In the states which have not repealed recovery, the government can recovery what's called capitation and premiums paid by the state whether or not a claim has ever been made.

Also, if an individual is covered by Medicaid, it is illegal to obtain care for cash or under any other insurance scheme. A provider, if caught doing this, can be heavily penalized.

12 posted on 01/23/2014 5:41:47 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: FR_addict
Medicaid is intended as a program for the financially destitute. If you have significant assets, like a paid for home or financial savings, you are not considered destitute. To qualify for Medicaid in Ohio you must have 1500 or fewer net assets to your name. In the case of a recipient who needs nursing home care, the state will allow the spouse to remain in the family home as long as he/she needs to. They will put a lien on the home and upon the exit of the spouse the house will be auctioned off and the proceeds considered reimbursement to the state for previous incurred expenses. It sounds cold but it makes sense. Medicaid is a low income entitlement, no one pays into it as we do Medicare.

In terms of your question, if you are on Medicaid, you won't have an estate other than this spouses exception.

13 posted on 01/23/2014 5:46:47 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: umgud

You don’t want to go on expanded Medicaid if you have any assets because of Asset Recovery and liens that can be placed against your property.

They got rid of the asset limit when they relaxed the eligibility requirements so they could sucker a lot of people with assets into Medicaid and then scoop up the assets.


14 posted on 01/23/2014 6:01:36 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: steve86

Not only after you die.
They can place liens on your property so that when you sell (while you are alive) you have pay up.

I know that some states are getting rid of these rules but I wouldn’t trust it.


15 posted on 01/23/2014 6:03:52 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Under the new expanded Medicaid under Obamacare, the eligibility requirements have been greatly relaxed. The income limit has been raised and the asset test is eliminated. (This is in the States that went along with expanded Medicaid. It was a mandate under Obamacare but the Supreme Court ruled States did not have to expand it.)


16 posted on 01/23/2014 6:06:06 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: umgud

Some of those who get their incomes from the big pile of debt tend to complain about this, but there are good and legal ways around having your property confiscated by their own socialist lobbies.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 6:21:18 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Lorianne
They got rid of the asset limit when they relaxed the eligibility requirements so they could sucker a lot of people with assets into Medicaid and then scoop up the assets.

This is false. The libs were horrified when they discovered that their prized lower-income constituencies were going to be hit with asset recovery, due to the provisions of Social Security Act – 42 USC 1396p, and state laws. This is why they're repealing it. Their intention is not to seize those folks' assets, but to redistribute assets from wealthier people.

18 posted on 01/23/2014 6:23:06 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

If you go on disability, there is a 2-year wait to get Medicare. Congress enacted this so that people would die before they became eligible. Callous but that was the reasoning.


19 posted on 01/23/2014 6:37:37 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: FR_addict

A person does not have to buy insurance through The Exchanges therefore no Medicaid problem.

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20 posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:00 PM PST by Mears
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To: umgud

save for later


21 posted on 01/23/2014 7:55:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: umgud

You can be on Medicaid before 65 years old and be on both Medicare and Medicaid after 65. I don’t think you can be on Medicaid only after 65 unless you are ineligible for Medicare.


22 posted on 01/24/2014 6:33:18 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: RonInNaples

bkmk


23 posted on 01/25/2014 6:47:16 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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