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Dog shot by officers serving warrant at wrong house
WFLX ^ | 1.2.14

Posted on 01/23/2014 4:01:16 PM PST by Arthurio

By Rachel Leigh, Content Manager - email

HOLLY HILL, FL (WFLX) - A man in Holly Hill is demanding an apology after his dog was shot when police raided the owner's house last week.

Richard Stotler says the officers were at his house to serve a warrant, but the only problem was they had the wrong address.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; hidebehindthebadge; wronghouse
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1 posted on 01/23/2014 4:01:16 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Some idiot shows up at my house “by mistake” and shoots my dog . . .


2 posted on 01/23/2014 4:04:07 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
WOOOF!

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3 posted on 01/23/2014 4:06:02 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Arm_Bears

I second that.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 4:07:58 PM PST by MtnClimber (A Foolish Faith In Authority Is The Worst Enemy Of The Truth - Albert Einstein)
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To: Arthurio

Don’t these cops have pepper spray?

I have used it before and it is unbelievably effective. I would guess even more effective than shooting them in the short time.


5 posted on 01/23/2014 4:11:20 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Arthurio

I wonder what would happen - as a private citizen knowing you’ve done nothign wrong - and someone shows up and starts breaking your door down shouting “police” - and you are yourself and defend yourself on hat you think are actual criminals saying “police” just to get in...like a fake raid...but the home owner not believing it’s the REAL POLICE - start firing and shooting actual officers...what would happen???

understand - I’m prior law enforcement - and this very incident is something we went over in training and out in the field - NOT to get the wrong house!


6 posted on 01/23/2014 4:12:54 PM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Arthurio

Justice would permit the owner to shoot, but not kill, the officer. Just one shot, though.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 4:15:54 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: BCW

If I’m on the jury, he walks.


8 posted on 01/23/2014 4:16:05 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Arthurio

Is it me, or is the “cops kill dog” story becoming a daily occurence?


10 posted on 01/23/2014 4:21:14 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Arthurio
and yet another doughnut muncher earns their dog shooter merit badge...
dogshoter2
dogshooter3


11 posted on 01/23/2014 4:24:20 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: BCW

Dead men tell no tales. My bet is that the homeowner is quickly ventilated by the hormone-soaked jackboots along with any pets, children, elderly, etc. I’ve gone over this scenario in my mind hundreds of times. I know where I would sit/stand, how I would shoot, where I would shoot, what loads I have in my weapons, and various scenarios at the range including shooting without my glasses, left-handed shooting, and around-the-corner shooting at a local “Hogan’s alley” range.

I don’t expect to live through the confrontation, but I certainly hope that any survivors think twice before raiding a house.

I’ve worked in detail-oriented IT for over 20 years. We check everything three times to make sure we’re doing the right thing. That doesn’t mean mistakes don’t happen, but they’re rare; AND they don’t involve risk of death. If I were a cop, I would check and double-check that paperwork to make sure the addresses match up before following a jugheaded thug into someone’s home.


12 posted on 01/23/2014 4:28:10 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: BCW

An armed home invasion is an armed home invasion regardless of who is committing it. It should be met with a lethal response.


13 posted on 01/23/2014 4:31:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Chode
..and then they go, leaving you to clean up what remains of your beloved pet...


14 posted on 01/23/2014 4:34:47 PM PST by kanawa
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To: TigersEye

What would happen to a citizen who shot a police dog just out of the blue and then came up with some SOB story....It looked at me wrong?


16 posted on 01/23/2014 4:36:49 PM PST by MtnClimber (A Foolish Faith In Authority Is The Worst Enemy Of The Truth - Albert Einstein)
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To: MtnClimber

Why you’d probably be looking at 25 to life, peasant.


19 posted on 01/23/2014 4:39:46 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Chode

I’m stealing Your post for use in an E-Mail!

Thanks;)


20 posted on 01/23/2014 4:40:20 PM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: BCW

“I wonder what would happen...”

Might be covered in Indiana:

http://theweek.com/article/index/229167/the-indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops


21 posted on 01/23/2014 4:42:58 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: mabarker1
most welcome...
22 posted on 01/23/2014 4:46:12 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: kanawa
these big brave dog shooters better realize they have chosen a side, and have chosen poorly...
23 posted on 01/23/2014 4:55:21 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Arthurio
Apology??? From cops??? Forget it. Good thing they didn't ticket you or arrest you too.

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24 posted on 01/23/2014 4:55:54 PM PST by SkyDancer (Imagine a world without politicians, lawyers and federal judges.)
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To: yarddog

I think once they use pepper spray they have to turn it in for a fresh one, even if used once. Bullets are cheaper.


25 posted on 01/23/2014 4:57:09 PM PST by SkyDancer (Imagine a world without politicians, lawyers and federal judges.)
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To: BCW

there have been gangs of criminals across the country dressing up as cops and doing just this. google it, you’ll see them.


26 posted on 01/23/2014 5:07:33 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: TigersEye

I was not saying I would do that. I was saying that “if” I did that that the same thing that the the police would do to me is what “should” happen to a police officer doing the same thing against me or anyone else. There should be a prison for doggie killer cops that is shared with terrorists and ample time for mingling. That would be karma.


27 posted on 01/23/2014 5:11:02 PM PST by MtnClimber (A Foolish Faith In Authority Is The Worst Enemy Of The Truth - Albert Einstein)
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To: Ken H

ditto


28 posted on 01/23/2014 5:11:13 PM PST by tomkat (still think it's 'too early' comrades ?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

29 posted on 01/23/2014 5:11:39 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Arthurio

Cops screw up. Cops lie about it, and cops love to shoot dogs. The best thing to do is take away their guns.


30 posted on 01/23/2014 5:12:00 PM PST by pallis
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To: Arm_Bears

Vlkommen Sie zu Amerika!!!!


31 posted on 01/23/2014 5:15:17 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Arm_Bears

I can’t wait for the first time for that to happen.


32 posted on 01/23/2014 5:21:00 PM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: workerbee

It’s not you.....it happens on average at LEAST once a day in America.


33 posted on 01/23/2014 5:21:48 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: Arm_Bears
I always wonder what the cops would do if the dog owner were to calmly say, "That's alright officer. I understand. Uhhh, will you excuse me for a moment? I'd like to step inside and let my wife know. I'll be right back ..."

Because I'm thinking a lot of guys would step inside with other plans.

34 posted on 01/23/2014 5:25:33 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I am wondering kind of the same thing, except that the question after the homeowner retrieved a shotgun is “where do you live so that I can show you know how this feels?”


35 posted on 01/23/2014 5:32:40 PM PST by MtnClimber (A Foolish Faith In Authority Is The Worst Enemy Of The Truth - Albert Einstein)
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To: Arthurio

Well, the good news is that no Nazis died in this botched attempt at keeping the population under control. And, they don’t care about what happens next time because they are being protected by local government, the courts, the unions, the prosecutors, and their fellow law enforcement officers.

What happens when good people go bad.


36 posted on 01/23/2014 5:47:57 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Arthurio; Joe 6-pack
Dog that lunged at probation officer is shot, killed
37 posted on 01/23/2014 5:48:17 PM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (Proportionally, Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.)
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To: Arthurio
“Wrong house”, dead dogs, terrorized people.

Happens way to often to be considered accidental, nowadays.

Just my personal opinion and observation.
I don't have any factual, government provided statistics to back that up. Just a pervasive “intuition” that something is horribly wrong.

I wonder if this is how the people in Russia, China and Germany felt,several decades ago.

39 posted on 01/23/2014 5:50:51 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: workerbee

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1850434439/puppycide-the-documentary


40 posted on 01/23/2014 5:56:48 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Out here in Bumpkinworld, we had a rapist with an “unmarked car” setup [dash lights, etc] and a uniform pulling women over on I70.

We were told we should drive to a well lit, populated area or the nearest police station before pulling over for “cops”.

Couple years back a group of feral girls were creating trouble at a shopping plaza we happened to be at and every cop in the area showed up to assist.

One undercover cop, if I had had him try to approach me anywhere else, I’d have sicced the Dobes on him.

Crappy junk car, no marks or lights, shabby clothes, scruffy, Serpico-fallen-on-hard-times look.

How am I supposed to *know* who’s who, until it’s too late?

The funny side was the one feral’s mama came tearing in and started asking questions of witnesses.

She asked us if we’d seen any “excessive force” used and I said yeah, your girl really belted that cop in the face harder than she had to.

I thought she was gonna pop a gasket.

The crowd of bystanders was *not* sympathetic to the ferals.


42 posted on 01/23/2014 6:08:12 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: BCW

Its happened, occasionally the victim survives.


43 posted on 01/23/2014 6:28:15 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Arthurio

If only these dog owners could sue the pants off the city every time this happened, maybe this carp would stop.


44 posted on 01/23/2014 6:35:05 PM PST by bgill
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To: BCW

Actually, there was a guy - Atlanta area, I think - to whom it happened. Bad neighborhood, fleeing perp who’d run into an adjoining apartment unit, cops who pursued him to the *wrong* unit & busted in on an innocent father who flopped onto his kid to protect him while firing.

Whether the cops survived or not, the father went to prison for firing on them, even tho IMHO no reasonable person could blame a man for doing what comes natural when wakened by his door getting busted in.


45 posted on 01/23/2014 10:19:29 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Titan Magroyne; driftdiver; Secret Agent Man; KrisKrinkle; TigersEye; Ken H

As everyone who responded - I would agree that the homeowner has a right to defend his property and that no charges should be leveled against him/her. No arrest - and an investigation on the officers who mistakenly got the wrong address.

I live in Indiana and I am well aware of Iraqi insurgents dressing up as Iraqi police and having very successful raid attempts at killing US troops - several of which I aided in response after the fact!

As one of you pointed out, this has happened in the US - a tactic we all should prepare for and some have already gone through the rock drills as such!

Cops need to be held accountable for their actions - and raids are complicated events - no room for mistakes!


46 posted on 01/24/2014 4:15:26 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Chode

Ugh....

This collage breaks my heart.


47 posted on 01/24/2014 6:06:21 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: BCW

If you fire on law enforcement - everyone in the house will be killed.


48 posted on 01/24/2014 6:08:06 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bgill

I agree, sue. But not the city. Sue the individual cops involved in the raid, personally, civilly, attach all their assets. Sue the individual that got the address wrong.

Cops should have to pay for and carry individual malfeasance insurance. And when their premiums get too high, they need to find another line of work.


49 posted on 01/24/2014 6:11:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: BCW

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-swat-team-cleared-marines-killing/story?id=13842029

5 SWAT Officers, 71 Bullets, and they admitted that no shot was fired at them before they shot. The family won a lawsuit, but no amount of money will bring back that little boy’s father.


50 posted on 01/24/2014 6:18:20 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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