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Hands vs. Machine: The Survival of the Guitar in an Electronic World
NextSound.com ^ | January 24, 2014 | Tad Malone

Posted on 01/25/2014 10:21:49 AM PST by giant sable

One of the great paradoxes of modern popular music is the endurance of the guitar.

After all, electronic music has now been generally available for a half-century – and logic would suggest that with its wide range of effects (including synthesizing the sounds of traditional instruments), its programmability and editing, and its plummeting price, that the guitar, that ultimate refinement of analog music creation, would by now have gone the way of the harpsichord.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Computers/Internet; History; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: electronicmusic; guitar; moog; synthesizer

1 posted on 01/25/2014 10:21:49 AM PST by giant sable
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To: giant sable

I play bass in a couple of bands. My 50’s rock band had a gig last night. In the 90’s, before I became a bass player, I figured synths would replace the guitar. I also thought they would replace the piano.

However, I learned a few things about piano players when I discussed it with them. And I learned a few things about guitar and bass players when I became one. It’s not exactly like this, but it’s in this vein: guitars were not killed by synths (nor were pianos) for the same reason recorded music didn’t kill live music.


2 posted on 01/25/2014 10:24:57 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: giant sable

The guitar is indeed alive and well. The traditional guitar tube amp, though, has faced some strong digital challengers.


3 posted on 01/25/2014 10:25:00 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: giant sable

It’s a phallic symbol. Those never get old.


4 posted on 01/25/2014 10:26:32 AM PST by Argus
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To: giant sable

Guitar ping


5 posted on 01/25/2014 10:28:17 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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Twelve FReeper-Patriots are now
New Monthly Donors.
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6 posted on 01/25/2014 10:30:22 AM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Wolfie

The history and future of guitar noise.

Adrian Belew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM5qTMXJkT0

If you watch and listen, he seems to want to come back to the original “raw” sound for inspiration.

Belew is a digital challenger.


7 posted on 01/25/2014 10:32:29 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: giant sable
It's a difficult instrument to play well.
8 posted on 01/25/2014 10:37:18 AM PST by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: giant sable

“...the originator of those sounds still rules. The guitar isn’t going anywhere. It helps us to understand what it means to be human.”

Yes, and consider that a strummed C to F to G chord means something slightly different in the ear of every human on the planet who owns a guitar. This is the Signature of God (or one of them at any rate).


9 posted on 01/25/2014 10:43:24 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Zeneta

Much better explanation of the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWfxQ4QFM4M


10 posted on 01/25/2014 10:47:15 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

bump


11 posted on 01/25/2014 10:49:35 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: giant sable

Unnatural technical perfection is not what music is about.


12 posted on 01/25/2014 10:53:15 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Zeneta

He played a lot with Bowie.

The guy is amazing!


13 posted on 01/25/2014 10:56:05 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: djf

Not sure if you have seen this.

He has intentionally de-tuned his guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD-GrAMUzO8


14 posted on 01/25/2014 11:02:06 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: Wolfie
The traditional guitar tube amp, though, has faced some strong digital challengers.

So true. Non-tube amps and even hybrids were terrible in the 80's and 90's, but they have come a long way. I use a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 for noodling around (I'm not currently gigging). It has a great sound. I got it because of all the effects and stompboxes that come with it. Can't beat it when you look at bang-for-the-buck.

The Peavey Vypyr VIP series and the forthcoming VIP Pro (see NAMM) are solid sounding solid-state amps. Cleans aren't that great, but if you play metal, they're outstanding. I play mostly classic rock.

A lot of players are looking to "get back to their roots" and getting single channel amps (JCM 800, etc) or a small two channel amp without all the bells and whistles of, say, a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster. Big market for old Marshalls.

Then again, a lot of people claim to be able to tell the difference between tube and solid-state amps just by sound. I can't. The only way I can tell is from the feel - the way a tube amp responds to your playing is different than transistor, and also feels more "organic", more "alive". When transistor amps can do that, well, it will be interesting....

15 posted on 01/25/2014 11:06:11 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: giant sable
tube amps have more distortion. Some players claim that gives them a "warmer" sound. Could be. Putting a magnetic pickup near the strings bypasses the soundbox. Maybe the sound of an acoustic guitar is what's missing in solid state amps.
16 posted on 01/25/2014 11:39:46 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (itYe)
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To: jeffc

Nothing like a tele through tubes.


17 posted on 01/25/2014 11:42:35 AM PST by dmz
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To: JoeFromSidney

Tube amps are analog, which is how our ears work.


18 posted on 01/25/2014 12:09:15 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dmz

That is what I play. An American special tele through blackheart tube amps. I use the five watt little giant at home and in the studio and the 15 watt handsome devil live. Best sound I ever had after 35 years of gigging.


19 posted on 01/25/2014 12:28:18 PM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: giant sable

Playing a new Guild D-55 made in New Hartford. I have to say, I like it far more than Martin and Gibson. Incredible instrument.


20 posted on 01/25/2014 1:11:11 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Zeneta

Pat Metheny’s Orchestrion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VymAn8QJNQ


21 posted on 01/25/2014 1:12:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Would love to try a Guild, but I ain’t giving up my Martin! Love that guitar. Best one I’ve ever owned.


22 posted on 01/25/2014 1:14:04 PM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: djf
He played a lot with Bowie.

And Zappa.

23 posted on 01/25/2014 1:15:25 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: giant sable
Is this with or without endangered Republican hardwoods? You know, those woods which have armed LEO raids and seizures when identical woods used by Democrat guitar makers aren't a problem!
24 posted on 01/25/2014 1:15:44 PM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: cuban leaf

Nothin’ like strappin’ on one my strats and jammin’. The only button I care about is the one that goes to 11.:>)


25 posted on 01/25/2014 1:19:14 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: djf

Oh and another guy named “Fripp”.


26 posted on 01/25/2014 1:20:49 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mama Shawna

To be fair, the ones I played were not set up for me. I like to down-tune and use open tunings and all the ones I played were not set up for that. The strings buzzed horribly and the 6th strings were so loose they slid off the fretboard just from a simple fretting (not even bending).

I don’t blame you for not wanting to give up a Martin. They are beautiful guitars.

A $2,000 used Guild D-55 (for my tastes) is equal to if not better than a $3-4,000 Martin. Ren Ferguson, previously with Gibson, is running the shop.

Don’t give up the Martin, but if you ever get the chance to try the D-55, I think you’ll be impressed.

Here’s a clip of someone playing one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kuScTu6vE0


27 posted on 01/25/2014 1:25:44 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: ez
I have a Epiphone Valve Jr 5w that I modded with a bitmo tweaky mod kit and a bigger power output transformer, thru a 2x12.

Heaven!

28 posted on 01/25/2014 1:34:47 PM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: giant sable
As long as there is Bluegrass & Folk music there will be always Acoustic Guitars :>}
29 posted on 01/25/2014 1:49:58 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Manic_Episode

Sweet. I have major gas (gear acquisition syndrome.) goin pedal shopping this week. Enjoy!


30 posted on 01/25/2014 2:20:52 PM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: giant sable

Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing (Alchemy Live) - YouTube
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY


31 posted on 01/25/2014 2:29:03 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Wolfie

“The guitar is indeed alive and well. The traditional guitar tube amp, though, has faced some strong digital challengers.”

You see the prices of tube amps lately? I asked the gy at the music store why are they so expensive. He said because the sound cannot be duplicated by digital equipment.


32 posted on 01/25/2014 3:42:49 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: dfwgator

btt


33 posted on 01/25/2014 4:26:21 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Oooh....that was pretty. That guitar had an amazing sound. As a matter of fact, I DID have a Guild before I got my Martin, and I sold the Guild to BUY the Martin! However, it was a cheap guitar, and the Martin sounds WAY better than the Guild did. What can you expect from a guitar bought straight off the hook from Guitar Center? HAHAHA! It’s funny how that came about. A friend of ours that we had been jamming with off and on brought it over one night and let me play it ALL NIGHT. So, by the end of the evening, after he knew I’d fallen in love with it, he looks at me and says “Ya know, Shawna, I was thinking about selling that guitar’. WELL HELL!!! Can you say SOLD!? Still the best git-fiddle I’ve ever owned, I play it almost every day. I have pounded the absolute CRAP out of that thing, and it just gets better with age. You should see the scratches, dents and dings on it, but it always stays in tune, and just the TONE of it is SHAWEET! Just like all the old gun slingers say...you can take my guitar out of my cold, dead fingers, cause I ain’t gonna stop playing till the day I die!


34 posted on 01/25/2014 10:40:54 PM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: Mama Shawna

Glad that you found your instrumental soulmate. There’s no replacing that.


35 posted on 01/28/2014 8:38:14 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I was at the NAMM Show last week. Tubes are where it’s at.

What’s old is new again.

And to think I gave away my Fender Strat and Bassman Amp when I decided I wasn’t going to be the next Clapton back in the 60’s. Sigh...

Had I kept them, I could have sold them now so I could pay for my Health Insurance.


36 posted on 01/28/2014 8:47:03 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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