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Change to Westminster Dog Show gives stage to mixed-breed dogs
RTV6/AP ^ | 1/25/2014 | Jennifer Peltz

Posted on 01/25/2014 6:52:56 PM PST by digger48

NEW YORK - When the nation's foremost dog show added an event open to mixed breeds, owners cheered that everydogs were finally having their day.

They see the Westminster Kennel Club's new agility competition, which will allow mutts at the elite event next month for the first time since the 1800s, as a singular chance to showcase what unpedigreed dogs can do.

"It's great that people see that, `Wow, this is a really talented mixed breed that didn't come from a fancy breeder,"' said Stacey Campbell, a San Francisco dog trainer heading to Westminster with Roo!, a high-energy -- see exclamation point -- husky mix she adopted from an animal shelter. (You can see Roo! in action in the photo attached to this story.)

"I see a lot of great dogs come through shelters, and they would be great candidates for a lot of sports. And sometimes they get overlooked because they're not purebred dogs," Campbell said.

Roo! will be one of about 225 agility dogs whizzing through tunnels, around poles and over jumps before the Westminster crowd. And, if she makes it to the championship, on national TV.

(Excerpt) Read more at theindychannel.com ...


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: aka; mutts

1 posted on 01/25/2014 6:52:56 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

Mutts make the best dogs!


2 posted on 01/25/2014 6:56:55 PM PST by bgill
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To: digger48

I’m a member of the AKC and I support this.


3 posted on 01/25/2014 6:59:12 PM PST by RC one
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To: digger48

Anyone enter His Arrogance per chance?


4 posted on 01/25/2014 7:02:10 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Stalin is smiling in Hell at how well Obama has copied his communist organization.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

ping


5 posted on 01/25/2014 7:03:23 PM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: bgill
My corgi mix makes snow angels.


6 posted on 01/25/2014 7:04:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

My bichon frise shih tzu mix loves me and is hypoallergenic. I could not care less if any dog show appreciates him. :)

Love corgis!!!!


7 posted on 01/25/2014 7:10:20 PM PST by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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To: ozaukeemom
My Jack Russell is my favorite but the Corgi mix gets plenty of love too.


8 posted on 01/25/2014 7:14:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

What fun!


9 posted on 01/25/2014 7:17:05 PM PST by bgill
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To: ozaukeemom

Try a Mastador, they are not little dogs being a cross of Mastiff and Labrador, but the Mastiff eliminates the hyperactivity of the Labrador and leaves you with a big cuddly couch potato that is loyal as the day is long(admittedly that goes for all dogs).


10 posted on 01/25/2014 7:19:52 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

If it’s not a bluetick or black and tan coonhound, it’s not a dog :P

All kidding aside, my seven year old wants a Yorkie and now so does the wife. Luckily, I reminded them that I was the CEO of the family, and no further badgering was applied. However, I think there is a conspiracy happening behind my back.

To be continued...


11 posted on 01/25/2014 7:32:47 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

One of the Ladies at the dog park I go to had a Yorkie, and it was a champ at hunting squirrels, sometimes the lineage comes through no matter what.


12 posted on 01/25/2014 7:53:17 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Bulwyf; Mastador1

My mother raised Rottweilers, but considered Yorkies to be “real” dogs.

Growing up we always had AKC registered purebreds, but for the past 30 years I’ve only had mixed. We lost our chow/lab this past summer and just recently brought a new member into the family. Papa is a King Charles/chihuahua mix and momma is a true Heinz 57 and the only discernible breed we have been able to pinpoint is boxer. Everyone of the 6 puppies looks different than the others! We absolutely love her!


13 posted on 01/25/2014 8:05:15 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Mastador1

“One of the Ladies at the dog park I go to had a Yorkie, and it was a champ at hunting squirrels, sometimes the lineage comes through no matter what.”

Yorkies were bred in York, England, to dig into tunnels and catch rats. I got my Yorkie when she was six weeks old and within a short time, she started digging into a sheetrock wall just inside the front door. I tried everything to stop her, spray stuff for dogs to stop them from licking and nothing worked. She was going to dig in that wall and hunt for rats. I gave up and had a contractor put up a wainscoting of material that was slick like you see in showers. She knew she was done and never tried to do anything to the new wall.

I gave her cardboard boxes and she would dig into them; she finally got over that stage but I’m sure if she smelled a rat she would go after it - luckily I do not have rats in my house.


14 posted on 01/25/2014 8:26:47 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
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15 posted on 01/25/2014 8:49:11 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: digger48

There goes the neighborhood.

Seriously, when is this society going to ever hold the line on anything anymore? Even the only remaining benched AKC show has to “break down walls” and allow something it has never even had? Never has Obedience been at Westminster, yet now we have agility, with mutts to boot?

Are they serious about maintaining any kind of integrity?

This basically promotes irresponsibility. It condones random breeding, as surely as “get a shelter dog” does, ironically.

Mutts could be allowed in match shows. Official sanctioned shows, not a good idea.

Flame suit on. I know it won’t be popular and I’ll be called all kinds of nasty names, but the old-fashioned view needs to be aired.


16 posted on 01/25/2014 8:58:57 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: digger48

Judge that!

17 posted on 01/25/2014 8:59:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: digger48

Hopefully they have some Pomeranian/Maltese mixes like my little Nemo..so adorable..also some Shih Tzu’s would be nice


18 posted on 01/25/2014 9:06:32 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: the OlLine Rebel

The AKC jumped the shark *years* ago with the new “Yellow Paper” registrations for dogs of questionable/fraudulent/unknown parentage.

Not that I had any respect for them before that, with their carte blanche attitude towards puppy mills.

The AKC is all about the money, now; send your money, get your papers, no questions asked.

There are gazillions of agility/obedience matches every year with no “breed restrictions”.

Just more of the usual “everybody is equal and fabulous!” liberal crap.

This “feeeeeeels good” and that’s all that matters.

Mutts are wonderful but not at WKC.

[and if somebody mentions the mythical “hybrid vigor”, I’ll scream]

:)


19 posted on 01/25/2014 9:50:22 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Is it a pig in a dog suit? I can’t imagine what it is. Poor deformed thing. Tell us what it is.


20 posted on 01/26/2014 5:53:23 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Salamander

Just to play devil’s advocate: from a genetic standpoint, wouldn’t mixed breeds be more robust anyway (i.e. less prone to disease and disability)?


21 posted on 01/26/2014 6:35:18 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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To: digger48
My Moose is the best little (rescue) chiweenie ever...:) Moose photo ironman3_zps8d4e84f5.jpg
22 posted on 01/26/2014 7:00:03 AM PST by ~Vor~ (Freeper since 10/98)
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To: Mike Darancette

OK.

That’s just plain creepy!


23 posted on 01/26/2014 8:28:03 AM PST by digger48
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To: Mike Darancette

Harry Reid and Janet Napolitano’s love child?


24 posted on 01/26/2014 8:32:32 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
No.

Every breed has genetic/inherited health issues and mixed breeds will still express those health issues just like purebreds will.

In some cases, combining the “wrong” breeds can even increase health issues exponentially, such as mixing two breeds who are predisposed to hip dysplasia or osteosarcoma, as examples.

With a purebred, you can make a reasonable guess as to which health problems you *may* face during the dog's life and it's easier to diagnose illnesses in your dog by deducing what it's likely to be afflicted by, according to breed statistics.

With mutts of unknown parentage, it's a crap-shoot.

That is the whole point of having a “pure bred dog” in the first place; to set type/temperament and homogeneity so you know what you're getting, as much as humanly possible.

Even the word “hybrid” is a misnomer as a mixed breed dog is still just a dog and not technically a “hybrid” of anything.

A mule would be a better example of a hybrid.

I dearly wish "hybrid vigor" ~were~ a real thing because I'd be busy creating the perfect Dobe mix that was disgustingly healthy and obscenely long-lived...:-\

25 posted on 01/26/2014 12:11:51 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Salamander; the OlLine Rebel

Agreed. Unfortunately show entries across the board have declined, I would guess because of the poor economy. Add a new event like agility and you’ve just increased entries. I’m not sure it has much to do with the AKC as with the Westminster Kennel Club who hosts the event that is AKC sanctioned (ie it meets AKC requirements for a benched conformation show). AKC agility events don’t allow unregistered dogs, unless they’ve recenlty changed that rule? But there are others that do, USDAA for example. All the reasons Salamander listed for getting a pure bred dog andnot a rescue are absolutely correct. And while I help out with Shorthair rescue when I can, if someone asks me if they should get a rescue dog or a pure bred dog, I always recommend a pure bred dog from a reputable breeder (I don’t know what a “fancy breeder” is as mentioned in the article) over a rescue unless the person is a very experienced dog owner that knows how to deal with possible behavior issues.

Westminster is quite an experience. The benching portion is really horrendous, with the dogs having to basically stay in the assigned crate area all day while hordes of people walked through the already cramped areas to get a close up look at the dogs. They have a few wood chip stalls for the dogs to pee & poop in, my GSP didn’t want to step foot in the nasty things and waited all day and let loose the second we got outside at the end of the day. The carpeted show rings are really nice looking for TV, but the dogs always slip on it and never move their best. But, it’s exciting to do the show once and overall I’m glad we entered.


26 posted on 01/26/2014 7:19:42 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Roos_Girl

“AKC agility events don’t allow unregistered dogs, unless they’ve recenlty changed that rule?”

Check out the AKC’s “ILP”/now called “Purebred Alternative” registrations.

http://www.akc.org/reg/ilpex.cfm

While the dogs cannot be bred or shown in conformation, they may qualify for all other AKC sanctioned events.

For your $35 [!] and two photos, you can “register” a dog who looks “enough like” a recognized breed.

From what I’ve heard, they’re quite liberal in their visual interpretation of purebred.

“Fancy breeder” is a back-handed snipe at all the people who devote their lives to a breed because, in the liberal mind, they are the people who are somehow, employing tortuous logic, responsible for all shelter dogs.

IMO, the people who are intentionally breeding “designer dogs” should be beaten with a stick.

When I was a teen, a woman near my house mass-bred “Cockapoos” and got insane sums for those poor dogs whose feet never touched grass, being quartered in what could only generously be called “chicken coops”.

The Cockapoo craze started the whole “WhateverPoo” madness and now there are hundreds of bizarre “breeds”.

The *only* good to come of that is mixing the tragic Pugs with something that actually has a functioning muzzle, allowing it to finally breathe normally.

OTOH, with a “Puggle”, you now have a dog who is not only stubborn and willful, it takes off after small animals when it gets the chance.

*sigh*


27 posted on 01/26/2014 7:38:08 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Roos_Girl
Unfortunately show entries across the board have declined...

It's because they never allow Labs and Golden Retrievers to win! ;*)

28 posted on 01/26/2014 8:27:04 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Salamander

Yeah, I know about the ILP. I can handle that; the dogs are not allowed entry to conformation events, but can do the fun AKC events. I’ve seen enough rescue Shorthairs that you know they’re Shorthairs, but don’t know where they came from, and the ILP can encourage new owners to be active with their dog in AKC events. But this article makes it sound like any ol’ dog from the pound can compete in the new agility event at Westminster. The club maybe is trying to compete with the Eukanuba Classic, though only the top 6 ranked agility dogs in each breed are invited to attend the Classic. Used to be that only top ranked dogs were invited to compete in conformation, but they’ve now opened it to any dog that sends in an entry. That torques me off a bit. Especially after seeing the Shorthairs that were entered this past show. I guess this can be said for most breeds, but there is no worry that Shorthairs will have overangled front assemblies any time soon. Most that I saw don’t even have correctly angled fronts.


29 posted on 01/26/2014 9:00:34 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Heh, since Labs & Goldens have two of the highest breed entries of all the breeds you might be right!


30 posted on 01/26/2014 9:02:54 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Salamander

Oh yes, I happened upon a woman with what she called an “AussieDoodle” in the pet food store a few weeks ago. Coloring of an Australian Shepherd with the coat of a poodle. I just bit my tongue and got about my errands.


31 posted on 01/26/2014 9:09:51 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Roos_Girl

ILPs dead-end, thankfully.

However, the problem with the yellow papers [and I speak from personal experience in an AKC litter investigation] is that, a fraudulently registered litter must produce just 3 generations of pups and the third generation is allowed full AKC privileges again.

In 2002, a litter was born that not only was the sire *not* the real sire, the pups had several different sires.
The submitted sire was chosen because the owner of all the other males refused to commit fraud but the owner of the bitch had no such reservations so she typed in the name of the *only* male of which she had full ownership.

I had to submit DNA for the investigation and two of my girls had different daddies.

The owner of some of the “Who’s yer daddy?” pups had titled all her dogs and was about to breed them when the yellow paper designation was issued.

ALL their titles were stripped away, even though she refuses to admit that, to this day.

Her entire “foundation stock” were “worthless” and she had spent a fortune on campaigning those dogs only to be cut off at the knees because of one women’s greed and treachery.

[she has new dogs and is quite successful now but she *should* have already “gotten there” 12 years and a *lot* of money ago]

Every dog they showed against, and every dog *those* dogs showed against should have had their points recalculated to reflect the WYD litter’s new ineligibility but never were.

Legitimately registered dogs either never received the points/titles they were due *or* had to be campaigned much longer than they should have.

In addition to yellow papered dogs being placed back into the gene pool, puppy millers are using yellow papers to register dogs of iffy origin, knowing full well that only a short 18 months of back-to-back breeding need pass before they can then sell “AKC pups”.

The AKC is rotting from within and no longer represents the pure ideals that created it.

Having owned a GSP in the past, I’m sorry to hear that their conformation is being compromised.

I truly do feel your pain.

What Dobes are now and what they are *supposed* to be isn’t even in the same realm of reality, anymore.

That is probably 80% of why I went with Euros this time around.


32 posted on 01/26/2014 10:55:21 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Roos_Girl

They have....DoberDoodles, now.

/bites tongue til it bleeds


33 posted on 01/26/2014 10:56:31 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Roos_Girl; afraidfortherepublic

It’s almost always some little fuzzball dog.

One exception was that *horrible*, grotesquely overdone Bull Terrier.

If people are honest, The Fifinator should have gone BIS but as soon as those idiot TV announcers mentioned Obama’s Portuguese, I knew who would win.

It’s all politics and pomp.


34 posted on 01/26/2014 11:04:50 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Salamander

It’s the grotesque Pekinese that upset me. They look like an oversized blow up of a virus! They do not look t all like the Pekinese dogs I fell in love with in the 40s.


35 posted on 01/27/2014 5:21:41 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Roos_Girl

Precisely my point. There was a show recently where they mentioned that there were 150 Goldens entered in the part of the show that we never see on TV. The one that made it to the group ring (presumably) represented the dog that best represented the Golden standard. Yet, these dogs rarely make it to the best in group ring. And NEVER to Best in Show.

How can that be when they are supposed to be judged against their own standard of their breed?

Yet, they are judged against dogs that perhaps had only 5 entries in their breed ring when they get to group. It makes no sense that a dog that has won over 150 other dogs of their own breed cannot compete against a field of dogs that made it to group over only 4-5 other entries in the breed ring.


36 posted on 01/27/2014 5:33:20 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

OMG...*that* hideous thing!

He won what, 2 or 3 years in a row?

Ugh.

Check this page out.

http://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/


37 posted on 01/27/2014 6:04:08 AM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Do you watch the breed judging videos WKC puts online, now?

Every bloody year, I pick the top 3 Dobes and every year, they’re the first ones dismissed.

Gloriously solid and square dogs, true to type with flawless movement, perfect angles and elegant *single tracking* trots are tossed for over-angulated, swan-necked, crabbing “show pony fashion” Dobes.

I stopped watching about 3 years into it.

How The Fifinator managed to make the cut is a miracle.

She actually looks like a Dobe should.

Mostly.

I do not think they judge against the *true* standards anymore.

It’s all about the new fads.

[could an Irish Setter *really* hunt with “beautiful” floor length feathering? *no*!]

:-\


38 posted on 01/27/2014 6:12:15 AM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If you’ve been to shows on a regular basis it is easy to see why a dog that wins best of breed from a high entry breed won’t necessarily beat a dog that wins best of breed from a low entry breed. Just because there a lot of dogs of a single breed doesn’t mean that there is even 1 *quality* dog of that breed. Whereas a low entry breed may happen to have the best dog of that breed ever produced. And of course the flaw of it all is that an imperfect human is doing the judging. Sometimes there are shenanigans going on, but probably most of the time not.

So here’s how a show works, which I think they do a poor job of explaining when you watch a Westminster or Classic on TV. The part you never see on TV are the breed rings, where dogs of each breed are judged against each other. The winner of that “Best of Breed”, then goes on to the Group ring and is judged against other dogs within the same group. Sporting group, for example, will have the one best of breed winner from all the Setter varieties, all the Pointer varieties, the best of breed Golden, best of breed Lab, etc. What they fail to mention when you watch some of the shows on TV is that they often edit out some of the Group ring dogs, so you may think “Hey, there wasn’t a Golden.” But indeed there was, they just edited it out from what was shown on tv. So then each Group winner goes on to compete in Best In Show against the winner from each Group.


39 posted on 01/27/2014 8:58:37 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Roos_Girl

Yeah, I knew all that. BUT, since Goldens and Labs are the 2 most popular breeds they should let them win once in a while. JMHO.

Are you aware that a Golden has NEVER won Best in Show at Westminster in the entire history of the show?

If there are 150 entries that have come from all over the country and have won points in lesser shows to get to NYC, you’d think that there would be at lease ONE good example of the breed present. Perhaps the judges can’t recognize a good Golden! ;^)


40 posted on 01/27/2014 9:07:35 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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