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Meet the New Superbullet (Same as the Old Superbullet?)
Ace of Spades ^ | 1-27-2014 | Ace

Posted on 01/27/2014 1:20:48 PM PST by servo1969

Almost fifteen years ago now an ammo maker made claims about its super-lethal round -- the the Black Talon "Devastator" ammo -- and then the all the usual people who freak out about such things freaked out.

Hollywood especially. They were bewitched by the Devastator for years. A major plot point in Lethal Weapon 3 concerned these Very Very Scary "cop-killer" rounds.

If I understand it correctly (and I think I do), an armor piercing bullet has a very hard, non-deformable tip so that it can better penetrate armor. When a bullet deforms upon impact, it mushrooms into a bigger shape, which makes it easier for armor to stop. But if the tip does not deform and remains relatively "sharp," it presents a smaller cross-section to the armor and can pass through more easily.

But armor piercing bullets tend to also pass right through the body without deforming. Once inside the body, you actually want the bullet to mushroom and expand, because you want all of the kinetic energy of the bullet delivered to the target, not partly delivered to the target and partly wasted on the scenery behind the target.

So for actual kills or stopping power, you want a bullet to deform. Like a hollowpoint round, which deforms upon impact. But hollowpoints are more likely to be stopped by armor (or any intervening object, like a pane of glass).

So the big selling point of the Devastator was that it kept its sharp, hard tip when passing through the skin (or any armor) because it was coated with slippery Teflon, but then expanded inside the body. The best of both worlds, supposedly.

As far as I know (and here I don't know much), the Devastator's claims about being hard on the outside and soft on the inside were overblown and within six or seven years pretty much everyone forgot about the ultra-lethal, we-have-to-ban-this-right-away super scary Cop Killer rounds. (Actually, per Wikipedia, Winchester stopped offering them for public sale in 2000, after a very well publicized shooting death involving the round. But it seems very strange that the Ultimate Bullet had a bodycount of one.)

Well there's a new miracle bullet, again promising the same kind of hard-outside-but-deformable-inside performance. The ultimate one-shot manstopper, it's being sold as. I don't know if the claims made about this one will pan out.

This one also doesn't make claims about passing through armor, but does claim to penetrate the skin more readily (and I guess a bullet does lose some kinetic energy just passing through the skin, which is tougher than people give it credit for).

But you know what I know?

Within a year every gun control organization will be shrieking about these rounds and there will be a dozen TV episodes talking up how terrible they are.

At least they didn't give it some super-scary name like The Devastator.

Oh wait: They're calling it the Radically Invasive Projectile, or R.I.P. for short.

Uh-oh.

G2R, based in Winder, Ga., highlights that the bullet points are manufactured with trocar angles — or simply put, edges with three angles reaching one point — to “penetrate the dermis layer more efficiently.”

The G2R website explains the R.I.P. acts like a full metal jacket when it impacts solid objects: “It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and only then, expands its energy.”


Scary looking. Like a bullet made up of knives. This bullet gives even Freddy Kruger nightmares.

Just as performance cars are supposed to look muscular and powerful or svelte and sleek (or combinations of all of these), so too do gun and ammo makers want their performance products to look scary.

And that's just catnip for the gun controllers, who are Ready to be Frightened at the drop of a hat, and would like to make sure that everyone is as frightened as they are.

The bullet's maker and the gun control crowd enter into a sympathetic symbiotic relationship here: The maker offers up a bullet for the gun control people to scream about: "This is the ultimate killer! It's worse than Hitler!!!," Chris Matthews will soon be saying.

And then the bullet maker gets to run advertisements:

"The Ultimate Killer. It's Worse Than Hitler."

-- Chris Matthews, ecstatically reviewing the R.I.P. round on Hardball

They both get out of this what they want: Publicity, and selling their product, whether bullets or Bullet Panic.

So get ready for an awful lot of hoopitty-do and much ado.

Thanks to @benk84. Follow him on Twitter or he'll shoot Bullet Knives at your face.

And Speaking of Hitler... A book claims Hitler escaped to South America (faked his death), and they claim to have a picture of a 95 year old Hitler, taken in 1984, to prove it.

He's dead now.

Supposedly.

The book, titled 'Hitler in Brazil - His Life and His Death', challenges the accepted view that the dictator shot himself in his Berlin bunker on April 30 1945. She claims he may have lived as Adolf Leipzig in the small town of Nossa Senhora do Livramento, 30 miles from the state capital Cuiaba.

Simoni, a Brazilian who comes from Cuiaba, says Leipzig was known locally as the 'Old German.'

Simoni is now planning to use DNA tests using a relative of Hitler living in Israel, after been given permission to exhume Adolf Leipzig's remains from his alleged final resting place in Nossa Senhora do Livramento.

As for the picture: It is so blurry that Adolf (whether Leipzig or Hitler) doesn't even seem to have a face. He just has a Head Oval.

If Adolf Hitler relocated to Brazil and called himself "Adolf Liepzig," then I've got some questions about this whole "Master Race" thing.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Hobbies; Science; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; bullet; hollowpoint; huh; manstopper; rip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c

I don't know. The R.I.P. like another gimmicky P.O.S. to me. I think I'll just stick with HSTs. When I can find them.

1 posted on 01/27/2014 1:20:48 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Mods please change title to -
Meet the New Superbullet (Same as the Old Superbullet?)

Sorry


2 posted on 01/27/2014 1:21:45 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969
If Adolf Hitler relocated to Brazil and called himself "Adolf Liepzig," then I've got some questions about this whole "Master Race" thing.

Excellent! Just what I was thinking!

3 posted on 01/27/2014 1:26:32 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: servo1969
Taste the .45cal ACP Rainbow; find the Black Talon...


4 posted on 01/27/2014 1:34:53 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: servo1969

I still have a couple of boxes of Black Talon .40s...


5 posted on 01/27/2014 1:41:40 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Sherman Logan

I can certainly believe in the possibility that Hitler survived WWII. Lots of men, who,are interested in gaining power and wealth wouldn’t be above allowing a monster to get away.


6 posted on 01/27/2014 1:56:47 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: carriage_hill
Taste the .45cal ACP Rainbow; find the Black Talon...

Nice.....3rd row from the bottom on the far right. What do I win?

7 posted on 01/27/2014 2:19:48 PM PST by Envisioning (It's the Jihad, stupid......)
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To: Jonty30

Another “super bullet”. It is like the carburettors that run on water and get 200 miles per gallon of gasoline.

Some people just want to believe that the can get something for nothing. Expanding bullets are better at dumping more energy into the body, and they give up penetration in order to do it.


8 posted on 01/27/2014 2:22:15 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Envisioning

9 posted on 01/27/2014 2:33:12 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: servo1969
If I understand it correctly (and I think I do), an armor piercing bullet has a very hard, non-deformable tip so that it can better penetrate armor.

Nope.

Small arms AP has a core of a hard metal, such as steel or tungsten, rather than relatively soft lead.

Additionally, 18 USC § 921 defines "armor piercing" ammuntion as:

"(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile."

It has nothing to do with the "tip".

10 posted on 01/27/2014 2:36:23 PM PST by holymoly
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To: carriage_hill

I’ve never seen one with an extended tip reminiscent of a tall and skinny Monument Valley rock formation (back row right, and possibly the one at the front of the V).


11 posted on 01/27/2014 2:42:58 PM PST by deks
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To: deks

Me neither. I bet that hurts...


12 posted on 01/27/2014 2:54:57 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: servo1969

Expensive, too. I can imagine a selling price of $2/round or more.


13 posted on 01/27/2014 2:57:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That’s funny. My boss was just telling me earlier today he has a couple of boxes of 9mm Black Talon in his stash.

I told him he is a dope for not selling those at the gunshow, somebody is gonna want those.


14 posted on 01/27/2014 3:03:25 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Burn my flag? I'll piss on your ashes.)
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To: carriage_hill

If you named one The Rainbow Push, you could maybe get the round endorsed by Jesse Jagmo.

Or The Rainbow Diversity and get endorse by GLAD.


15 posted on 01/27/2014 3:35:08 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I have a couple of boxes in .45 ACP.


16 posted on 01/27/2014 3:41:46 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: TurboZamboni
The Rainbow Push© ® ™

The Rainbow Diversity© ® ™

Kinda catchy; if there's money to be made, or misery to be caused, either/both will endorse it.

17 posted on 01/27/2014 3:45:21 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
I bet that hurts...

LOL :)

18 posted on 01/27/2014 8:18:15 PM PST by deks
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To: deks; carriage_hill
What bullet is that? Never seen anything like it. Is the purpose of the extended tip to make it tumble?

For an answer I am willing to trade some gun info on my country. In Kenya, it is possible to get a gun license - difficult though. I have one, and my.carry piece is a Glock 19 Gen 4. Purchase price was ...wait for it ...almost USD 2,500 (when I convert go Dollars). A gun that would have set me back 650 in the US. Also, getting good carry ammo is not easy. Most people carry S&B hollowpoints or Fiocchi Black Mamba. I managed to get some Federal Hydrashok. I know a guy who got Golddots from someone at the US embassy, but since I haven't seen them I cannot confirm that.

19 posted on 02/02/2014 8:55:28 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz; deks

They’re called THV and Monad Bullets:

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm

After some searching for a name with which to locate their history, a Google Search returns this:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=THV+bullets&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest


20 posted on 02/02/2014 10:06:28 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Much appreciated. I’ve not seen anything like it.


21 posted on 02/02/2014 10:28:36 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

TRÈS HAUTE VITESSE (THV) = Very High Speed.

Somehow, it doesn’t look very aerodynamic to me. But the fps specs on the chart shows otherwise, even though they’re very low weight rounds:

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm

At the FFL where I do some part-time project work, one of the gunsmiths has a few boxes of old SFM ammo, in perfect condition.


22 posted on 02/02/2014 11:01:37 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Time for a stupid newbie question. How long can ammo last (when stored properly)? I ask because the best quality ammo I could get my hands on here is Hydrashok (no HST, corbon, gold dot that is easily available, and getting the Hydrashok in itself was a minor miracle). Thus I got a couple of boxes, which I may have to keep for quite some time. How long can ammo keep when well stored? Please note this is for personal defence, thus it has to work every time. Thanks.


23 posted on 02/02/2014 11:29:58 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

If you keep it cool and dry (>30% humidity), it should last for many years. That said, I’ve shot .357magnum ammo which was 24 yrs old, but I carefully inspected each round for pitting/cracks/dents etc before using it. I have a LARGE quantity of ammo for 8 calibers, going on 13 yrs old. It’s stored in a carefully-controlled humidity basement with food and water and other preps.

I’ll have to defer to other whether primers or powder degrade and over what time span. Anything over 10-12 yrs old, I’d want to inspect before shooting.ll have to defer to other whether primers or powder degrade and over what time span. Anything over 10-12 yrs old, I


24 posted on 02/02/2014 12:22:39 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Great link! Thanks.


25 posted on 02/07/2014 2:21:25 AM PST by deks
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