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NATION AROUSED BY ATROCITIES, PLEDGES TO AVENGE THE VICTIMS; RUSSIANS PRESS DRIVE IN NORTH (1/29/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 1/29/44 | John H. Crider, Ralph Parker, Milton Bracker, C.L. Sulzberger

Posted on 01/29/2014 4:09:02 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles and the occasional radio broadcast delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
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1 posted on 01/29/2014 4:09:03 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Eastern Europe, 1941: Russian Leningrad and Ukraine Offensives – Operations, 2 December 1943-30 April 1944
Allied Advance to Volturno River, Reorganization, and Attack on Gustav Line (17 January-11 May 1944)
Anzio-Cassino Area, 1943: Attempts to Cross Rapido and Garigliano Rivers, 17-20 January 1944. Anzio Landing, 22 January 1944. German Counterattack at Anzio, 16-19 February 1944
New Guinea and Alamo Force Operations: Clearing the Huon Peninsula and Securing the Straits, 19 September 1943-26 April 1944
Cartwheel, the Seizure of the Gilberts and Marshalls, and Concurrent Air and Naval Operations, 30 June 1943-26 April 1944
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941: Original Allied Strategic Concept, May 1943; Situation in Pacific, 1 November 1943
2 posted on 01/29/2014 4:09:33 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Continued from January 16.

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Winston S. Churchill, Closing the Ring

3 posted on 01/29/2014 4:10:37 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Billboard Top Ten for the Week of January 29, 1944

#1 - “My Heart Tells Me” - Glen Gray, with Eugenie Baird
#2 – “Shoo Shoo Baby” - Andrews Sisters
#3 – “Paper Doll” - Mills Brothers
#4 - “Star Eyes” - Jimmy Dorsey, with Bob Eberly and Kitty Kallen
#5 - “Besame Mucho” – Jimmy Dorsey, with Bob Eberly and Kitty Kallen
#6 – “Shoo Shoo Baby” - Ella Mae Morse, with orchestra
#7 - “They’re Either Too Young or Too Old” - Jimmy Dorsey, with Kitty Kallen
#8 - “Speak Low” – Guy Lombardo, with Billy Leach
#9 - “My Shining Hour” - Glen Gray, with Eugenie Baird
#10 – “Cherry” – Harry James

4 posted on 01/29/2014 4:11:10 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; 2banana; henkster; meandog; ...
Ruin Japan! is Cry (Crider) – 2-3
Border Push Gains (Parker) – 3-4
Gains in Italy Held (Bracker) – 4-5
Clark Order Prohibits 5th Army from Attacking Church Property (Sulzberger) – 5
Eaker’s Men Down 50 German Planes – 6
War News Summarized – 6
Latest Casualties of Army and Navy – 8
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on the War – 9-10
The Sergeant Proves to Be a Fighter (photo) – 10
5 posted on 01/29/2014 4:12:23 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1944/jan44/f29jan44.htm

Model replaces Kuchler
Saturday, January 29, 1944 www.onwar.com

Field Marshal Kuchler (center) [photo at link]

From Berlin... Hitler appoints Model to command German Army Group North in place of Kuchler (who formally is retired).

In Italy... At Anzio the Allied forces now number 69,000 troops with 508 guns and 237 tanks. General Lucas makes preparations for an offensive to break out of the beachhead. Meanwhile, the German cordon now consists of 8 divisions under 14th Army. There are German air strikes which result in 1 cruiser and 1 transport sunk. To the south, along the German-held Gustav Line, forces of the US 5th Army continue attacking. The 34th Division makes some progress in expanding the bridgehead over the Rapido River.

In the Marshall Islands... US Task Force 58 (Admiral Mitscher) bombs and shells Japanese targets on Roi, Namur, Maloelap and Wotje. American land-based aircraft bomb Jaluit and Mille.

On the Eastern Front... Soviet offensives pressure on German Army Group North continues. Forces of the Volkhov Front (Meretskov) capture Chudovo; forces of 2nd Baltic Front (Popov) take Novosokolniki.


6 posted on 01/29/2014 4:13:48 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.etherit.co.uk/month/thismonth/29.htm

January 29th, 1944 (SATURDAY)

UNITED KINGDOM: Corvette HMCS Morden completed forecastle extension refit Londonderry, NI.

Corvette HMCS Forest Hill departed Londonderry to escort Convoy ONS-28.
Minesweeping trawler HMS Harris launched.

Sloops HMS Modeste and Nereide launched.

FRANCE: U-364 reported for the last time on 29 Jan, 1944 announcing its arrival at St. Nazaire on 31 Jan. (Alex Gordon)

GERMANY: Frankfurt: 763 US bombers kill over 700 civilians; 20 planes are lost.

ITALY: Cruiser HMS Spartan is anchored in Anzio Bay at 41 26N 12 41E, to provide air defence for the amphibious landings. As night falls at 1750, approximately 35 minutes after sunset, the invasion force is subjected to a German glider bomb attack. Four enemy aircraft, flying at about 5,000 feet and a few miles inland make at attack. Spartan is one of those targeted and engages the aircraft when an Hs.293 glider bomb strike hits close to her aft funnel at 17.56 and starts fires which can not be controlled. The bomb was engaged at close range by anti-aircraft fire and it was at first thought that the bomb would miss astern. However, the weapon altered course during the final stage of its approach and struck the ship at the after end of B funnel. A large fire broke out at the point of impact. The projectile passed through the ship and exploded on the port side, immediately flooding B boiler room. A secondary fire broke out by the port torpedo tubes. By 1900 the ship was listing 30 degrees and, shortly afterwards, the order was given to abandon ship. The list increased to 35 degrees and Spartan sank at 1915, in six fathoms of water. For an hour the crew fights to save her before the order is given to abandon ship. Ten minutes later she settles on her beam in just over 30 feet of water, taking 5 officers and 41 ratings with her. There are 18 other casualties, and 523 survivors. (Alex Gordon and Navynews and Dave Shirlaw)(108)

U.S.S.R.: Soviet forces clear the important railway line between Moscow and Leningrad.

General Model replaces Field Marshal von Kuchler as commander of Germany’s Army Group North.

Marshall Islands: The US TF 58 conducts air raids.
Task Force 58 consisted of the following:

Task Group 58.1

USS Enterprise (CV-6) with Carrier Air Group Ten (CVG-10)

USS Yorktown (CV-10) with CVG-5)

USS Belleau Wood (CVL-24) with Light Carrier Air Group Twenty Four (CVLG-24)

Task Group 58.2

USS Essex (CV-9) with CVG-9

USS Intrepid (CV-11) with CVG-11

USS Cabot (CVL-28) with CVLG-31

Task Group 58.3

USS Bunker Hill (CV-17) with CVG-17

USS Cowpens (CVL-25) with CVLG-22

USS Monterey (CVL-26) with CVLG-30

Task Group 58.4

USS Saratoga (CV-3) with CVG-12

USS Langley (CVL27) with CVLG-32)

USS Princeton (CVL-23) with CVLG-23

The attack begins with a fighter sweep against the airfield on Roi Island in Kwajalein Atoll.USNcarrier aircraft fly almost 700 sorties against airfields and other targets in Kwajaelein Atoll plus Maloelap and Wotje. B-24s of the USAAF’s VII Bomber Command, attacking from bases in the Gilbert Islands, maintain day and night attacks (both multi and single-aircraft attacks) against Maloelap, Jaluit, Aur Atoll, Wotje and Mille. Nine B-25s from Tarawa also carry out a strike against shipping and short installations at Wotje. Eighteen Douglas A-24 Dauntlesses (USN SBD), supported by 12 P-40s, hit Jaluit. Finally, 12 P-39s, operating in flights of four aircraft, patrol and strafe Mille all day to deny use of the airfield to the Japanese.

Navy fighter pilots flying F6F Hellcats score a number of victories;

(1) Fighting Squadron Nine (VF-9 in USS Essex), VF-31 in USS Cabot and VF-6 in USS Intrepid shoot down 13 Mitsubishi A6M, Navy Type 0 Carrier Fighter, Allied Code Name “Zeke,” between 0700 and 0720 hours;

(2) VF-10 in USS Enterprise destroy four “Zekes” over Taroa Airfield on Maloelap between 0715 and 0800;

(3) VF-6 and VF-9 pilots down six Mitsubishi G4M, Navy Type 1 Attack Bombers, Allied Code Name “Betty,” one “Zeke” and one Mitsubishi Ki-57, Army Type 100 Transport, Allied Code Name “Topsy,” over or near Burlesque Island about 0840; a VF-5 in USS Yorktown downs a Nakajima B5N, Navy Type 97 Carrier Attack Bomber, Allied Code Name “Kate,” over Wotje Island at 1445; and a VF-9 pilot shoots down a “Kate” near Roi Island at 1550.

(4) Night Fighting Squadron One Hundred One [VF(N)-101] with F4U-2s perform the first combat operation with this type.

Glen Boren makes the following entry in his diary:
January 29 1944

We left Funifuta and moved into battle position on the 28th. They kicked us out of bed at 0310 and we launched a pre-dawn incendiary attack on the airfield on Kwajalein Island. No air opposition was encountered and very little anti-aircraft fire, but what there was, was very accurate. Several attacks were made during the day. We lost one fighter and the air group lost two TBFs and one SB2C. The airfield was rendered useless.

All I have on the following is the entry in my diary but here it is; Just at dusk, the DD Burns was sent in to rescue the crew of one of the TBFs that went down. They picked up the crew and started back, after dark, On the way out, they ran into a small jap convoy consisting of ; 2 DEs, 1 AK and 1 merchant ship. They took them all on and sank the lot of them During the night we move to Engebi.

More tomorrow.

Glen

CANADA: Frigate HMCS Poundmaker laid down Montreal, Province of Quebec.
Frigate HMCS Ettrick commissioned Halifax, Nova Scotia.

Corvette HMCS Buctouche completed forecastle extension refit Saint John, New Brunswick.

Corvette HMCS Dawson completed forecastle extension refit Vancouver, British Columbia.

Tug HMCS Otterville assigned to Saint John, New Brunswick.

Minesweeper HMCS Mahone damaged in collision with SS Fort Townshend off Louisbourg, Nova Scotia. Mahone out of service until August of 1944.

U.S.A.: “No Love, No Nothin’” sung by Ella Mae Morse from the movie “The Gang’s All Here” is released.

Battleship USS Missouri is launched.

Submarine USS Spikefish laid down.
Frigate USS Corpus Christi commissioned.

Destroyers USS Wren and Mansfield launched.

Destroyer escorts USS Tinsman, Lawrence C Taylor and Jesse Rutherford launched.

Minesweeper USS Reform launched.

ATLANTIC OCEAN: At 2207, SS Olga E. Embiricos was torpedoed and sunk by U-188, which misidentified the ship as Giorgios M. Embiricos.


7 posted on 01/29/2014 4:17:21 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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U.S.A.: “No Love, No Nothin’” sung by Ella Mae Morse from the movie “The Gang’s All Here” is released.

It will make the Billboard Top 10 next week.

8 posted on 01/29/2014 4:18:13 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Eaker

“Eaker’s Men Down 50 German Planes”

Good job!


9 posted on 01/29/2014 4:18:35 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“Gains in Italy Held.”

That is, the Anzio front is at a standstill. Unnngh.

Btw, I noticed the price of the NYT is three cents!


10 posted on 01/29/2014 4:24:44 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

It is interesting to contrast the politicians’ comments in the “Ruin Japan!” article with the attitudes toward the military shown by today’s group of self-absorbed looters and thieves. Perhaps even more interesting to contrast them with Democrats in the Vietnam era, only 25 years later. The poisonous soils of Roosevelt’s 30’s bore spectacularly rotten fruit in less than a generation.


11 posted on 01/29/2014 4:30:05 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

‘The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet’.
Winston Churchill, May 19, 1943.


12 posted on 01/29/2014 4:53:40 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

January 29, 1943:


"Religious conviction led many Jehovah's Witnesses to shun obedience to the Nazi government.
In the dark days of the war in 1943, office worker Mary Smigiel, seen here, became a Jehovah's Witness in Gdynia, Poland.
Believing that only Jehovah was to be praised and honored, Smigiel refused her German boss's demand that she type "Heil Hitler" on all correspondence.
Her disobedience was reported, and she was sent to the Stutthof, Poland, labor camp.
She survived the war, married, and eventually settled in the United States."



13 posted on 01/29/2014 5:04:08 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

Good story.


14 posted on 01/29/2014 5:11:35 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Tax-chick
He was quite the man!


15 posted on 01/29/2014 5:16:58 AM PST by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: Eaker

Excellent picture!


16 posted on 01/29/2014 5:18:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Eaker

Wow....thanks for posting!


17 posted on 01/29/2014 5:25:59 AM PST by texanyankee
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To: Eaker

BTW, is he buried at Arlington?


18 posted on 01/29/2014 5:27:06 AM PST by texanyankee
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick; Mr. Jeeves; PAR35; colorado tanker; henkster
Headline: "German Army Objects To Being Called 'Hun'"

Riiiiiiiiiigt!
And if you'll believe that, then let me tell you about an affordable health care plan, where if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...

First World War Canadian election poster:

And where, oh where, could this infamous defamation of good German character have originated?
Well, there was this Kaiser, named Wilhelm II, in 1900:

"On July 27, 1900, during the Boxer Rebellion in China, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany gave the order to act ruthlessly towards the rebels:


19 posted on 01/29/2014 5:28:28 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: texanyankee; Eaker

20 posted on 01/29/2014 5:33:54 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: texanyankee

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/08/obituaries/ira-c-eaker-91-is-dead-helped-create-air-force.html

According to his NYT obit (1987), yes.


21 posted on 01/29/2014 5:36:55 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Tax-chick
Btw, I noticed the price of the NYT is three cents!

Close to what it's worth today.

22 posted on 01/29/2014 5:37:09 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

LOL!


23 posted on 01/29/2014 5:40:58 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: BroJoeK; Tax-chick
"Religious conviction led many Jehovah's Witnesses to shun obedience to the Nazi government.

Of the groups of people having a choice in the matter, Jehovah's Witnesses voluntarily suffered Nazi persecution in the highest percentages. I don't agree with all their religious views but I sure respect them for the way they stood up to Hitler.

24 posted on 01/29/2014 5:44:08 AM PST by fso301
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

HMS Spartan

25 posted on 01/29/2014 5:46:13 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: texanyankee; Tax-chick

Yes, he is buried at Arlington.

The picture is my family taken mid-June 2001.

Ironically on the same trip we had a friend who works at the Pentagon give us a tour and we walked through the newly reinforced section which was hit three months later on 9/11.


26 posted on 01/29/2014 5:50:35 AM PST by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: fso301; BroJoeK

One can see how a conviction against saying or writing “Heil Hitler!” would lead to many arrests.


27 posted on 01/29/2014 5:54:39 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

28 posted on 01/29/2014 5:55:22 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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fso301: "Of the groups of people having a choice in the matter, Jehovah's Witnesses voluntarily suffered Nazi persecution in the highest percentages.
I don't agree with all their religious views but I sure respect them for the way they stood up to Hitler. "

Ditto that!

29 posted on 01/29/2014 6:09:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Tax-chick; Eaker

Thanks! I just learned something about a fellow Texan.


30 posted on 01/29/2014 8:19:20 AM PST by texanyankee
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To: texanyankee; Eaker

I also knew very little about the General’s career. Extremely impressive!


31 posted on 01/29/2014 8:20:14 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Tax-chick
Btw, I noticed the price of the NYT is three cents!

Three cents more than it's worth today!

32 posted on 01/29/2014 9:09:02 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

With six fleet carriers and six light carriers, the United States Pacific Fleet now clearly exceeds the power of the Japanese Fleet that began the war and rampaged through the Pacific.


33 posted on 01/29/2014 9:38:04 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I find it interesting that the stories of Nazi persecution of the Jews is always a side story, but now that the atrocities on Bataan have come out, there is outrage and front page headlines.


34 posted on 01/29/2014 10:47:54 AM PST by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Again, complements of the CMH. I made it a more reasonable size this time.


35 posted on 01/29/2014 10:50:03 AM PST by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: CougarGA7

I love maps like that


36 posted on 01/29/2014 10:51:24 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: CougarGA7

The Jews of Europe aren’t “our people.” The Germans are mistreating millions of Soviet POW’s as badly if not worse than the Japanese are treating the GI’s who surrendered on Bataan. But they are not “our people.”

Not condoning any of these atrocities, it’s just that some things will grab an American’s attention more than others. And this feeling will change once guys from Kenosha Wisconsin and Atlanta Georgia walk through the death camps.


37 posted on 01/29/2014 11:04:38 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: fella

There is a new Museum of WWII Aviation starting up in Colorado Springs. Next door is an aircraft restoration company we also got to tour. They are working on a Corsair that is in mint condition. Beautiful bird.


38 posted on 01/29/2014 12:13:19 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: BroJoeK; Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick; Mr. Jeeves; PAR35; henkster
Germans behave like perfect gentlemen? Never on the Eastern Front, where they behaved brutally. They even had moments on the Western Front like the Malmedy Massacre.

It goes to the theory you discussed yesterday, henkster, that wars increase in brutality as they wear on.

39 posted on 01/29/2014 12:16:17 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Tax-chick; Eaker

Thanks for posting. He was quite a man.


40 posted on 01/29/2014 12:21:15 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: GeronL

Me, too. When the homeschool association was studying “The Hobbit,” I drew a set of battlefield maps like that.


41 posted on 01/29/2014 12:22:41 PM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: colorado tanker; BroJoeK; Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick; Mr. Jeeves; PAR35; henkster
They even had moments on the Western Front like the Malmedy Massacre.

I just finished hearing about the Battle of the Bulge on my World War II recordings. Professor Childers (U. of Pa.) says the Germans who murdered the prisoners at Malmedy were Russian Front veterans, just doing what they'd done all along.

42 posted on 01/29/2014 12:25:35 PM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Tax-chick

cool idea

I’ve seen a lot of them for Civil War and WW2, never considered them for fictional battles


43 posted on 01/29/2014 12:34:32 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Tax-chick; BroJoeK; Homer_J_Simpson; Mr. Jeeves; PAR35; henkster
Campione d'Italia is an interesting place. Due to several accidents of history it is an exclave of Italy, surrounded by the Ticino region of Switzerland. During WWII, the OSS mounted operations into Italy from there, to which the Swiss turned a blind eye.

The Lake Country and Ticino is a beautiful part of the planet.

And the casino is still there.

44 posted on 01/29/2014 12:34:51 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: GeronL

I was surprised at home much information was in the text. It was possible to diagram the Battle of Five Armies very clearly, including the locations of major characters. It was a lesson for the children in reading carefully for details.


45 posted on 01/29/2014 12:36:53 PM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Tax-chick

Wow. Are there maps like that online?


46 posted on 01/29/2014 12:38:59 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Tax-chick

As a general rule, the fighting between Germans and Americans/British in the west was not as brutal as the fighting in the east between Germans and Soviets. There were the occasional truces in the west for both sides to recover their wounded. A wounded British or American soldier could be expected to receive decent medical care if captured by the Germans, and vice versa. None of this happened in the east. From the outset, the Germans intended Operation Barbarossa to be a war of racial extermination. And the Russians were more than willing to play that game, too.

There were exceptions of course. Malmedy is one example. Another is fighting between American airborne units and German SS divisions. By the time of the Battle of the Bulge, the fighting between those groups was described as “especially bitter,” which I take to mean “no prisoners.”


47 posted on 01/29/2014 12:47:24 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: colorado tanker

Much as I’d like to go to that Museum, the best place for aviation is the Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, OH. It’s only two hours away from here. I’ve taken the boys there several times. I would rate it as the best military museum I have been to, although the Imperial War Museum in London is still on my bucket list.


48 posted on 01/29/2014 12:50:34 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: henkster

I have had the good fortune to visit the Imperial War Museum. My long suffering wife discovered it has a delighful coffee, er, tea shop and let me take all the time I wanted. It is definitely a bucket list item. Be sure to include the Churchill War Rooms in your visit.


49 posted on 01/29/2014 12:57:31 PM PST by colorado tanker
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Interesting thing about naval construction from WW2: you can look at the profile of a ship and identify the country that built her. The bridge and bowline of HMS Spartan clearly identifies her as British built.


50 posted on 01/29/2014 1:02:32 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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