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Snow Test Video We need Science Minded FReepers to figure this out!
youtube ^ | Jan 30, 2014 | Lots of youtubers

Posted on 01/30/2014 9:18:27 PM PST by Mad Dawgg

OK this is really strange. there is a growing number of videos showing up on youtube of people getting snow and putting a lighter or open flame to it and the snow turning black and far too little water is formed out of the snow.

Here is the first video I saw Snow test

Here are some others:

What is this snow?!?!

Georgia Fake Snow

WTF Snow?

IS THIS SNOW?

There are lots more on Facebook and vines and such...

OK many people are convinced it is chemtrail related I never believed in such things.

But what concerns me is the smell...

We tried it and it stunk bad!

When you put flame to the snow and it turns black it smells like petroleum or burnt plastic my wife thought it smelled like diesel fuel.

I can account for the no water forming because of the melting because maybe its hot enough it just turns to gas. but turning black and smelling like burnt plastic has got me weirded out!

Any of you Sciency FReepers out there have an explanation?


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1 posted on 01/30/2014 9:18:27 PM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: Mad Dawgg

Explanation: You’ve been watching too many youtube videos.


2 posted on 01/30/2014 9:22:43 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Confirmation bias.


3 posted on 01/30/2014 9:23:23 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I would try that with some of our snow in NW Arkansas a couple of weeks ago, but it has all melted.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 9:25:01 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Mad Dawgg
Anyone got an explanation?

What does your Common Sense tell you?

Regards,

5 posted on 01/30/2014 9:26:15 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
"What does your Common Sense tell you?"

That Snow when it melts isn't supposed to smell like burnt plastic.

I got the same smell by using a match and a lighter and doing it on different samples of snow in different rooms.

Same results.

Black snow and a smell like burnt plastic or petroleum.

6 posted on 01/30/2014 9:29:27 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Stupid Obama voters.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 9:32:53 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Mad Dawgg

“Black snow and a smell like burnt plastic or petroleum.”

Smells like burning plastic because it is.

Snow is water and melts.

Why do you say this is snow?


8 posted on 01/30/2014 9:34:38 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Mad Dawgg

The snow turns to liquid water and boils off as steam, which is invisible.
The black residue is the incomplete combustion of the butane in the lighter.

OR

The white material isn’t snow.


9 posted on 01/30/2014 9:35:12 PM PST by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: ifinnegan
"Why do you say this is snow?"

Well when I was a very small little boy my Mom and Dad taught me that the white stuff that falls to the ground in the winter time is snow.

I went outside and got some and tried it and it worked the same as in the videos I've shown you.

10 posted on 01/30/2014 9:37:19 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

So you actually tried it and had the same results?


11 posted on 01/30/2014 9:37:36 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Irenic
"So you actually tried it and had the same results?"

Yes...

Both using a match And a lighter.

I was thinking the smell come from the lighter but then I used a match on a different bit of snow and even went into a different room it didn't turn as black but still smelled like burnt plastic or petroleum...

12 posted on 01/30/2014 9:40:45 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

leave it to a bunch of southerners to try to light snow on fire lol!


13 posted on 01/30/2014 9:41:21 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Troll


15 posted on 01/30/2014 9:44:26 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Mad Dawgg

It takes a thousand BTUs to melt create steam from water. Even more from snow...

Whereas a butane flame (yellow) contains a lot of carbon. and will turn to a black residue black when directed at something cold.

Put some distilled water in your freezer and freeze it, and the same thing will happen with a butane flame...


16 posted on 01/30/2014 9:44:41 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: alexander_busek

Hmmmmn. Styrofoam?


17 posted on 01/30/2014 9:45:37 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Ask a..


18 posted on 01/30/2014 9:45:49 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Soot. Use a blowtorch.


19 posted on 01/30/2014 9:47:00 PM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: babygene
"Put some distilled water in your freezer and freeze it, and the same thing will happen with a butane flame..."

OK that sounds very right science wise. Does this cover the burnt plastic smell as well? I've used both a lighter and a match. and I get the same smell when it melts. and it is rank!

20 posted on 01/30/2014 9:47:37 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

That’s strange. Too many duraflame logs being burned hahaha What do you think it is? I do recall they wanted to shoot something into the skies to stop global warming or whatever. I need to hunt those stories.


21 posted on 01/30/2014 9:48:59 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Manic_Episode
"Soot. Use a blowtorch."

I believe one of the videos does.

22 posted on 01/30/2014 9:49:00 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: babygene

Somebody did burn an icecube and it melted.


23 posted on 01/30/2014 9:50:00 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Yep, the last one you linked used a that on the snow and an ice cube. Ice cube melted and left water, the snow didn’t.


24 posted on 01/30/2014 9:51:20 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“I was thinking the smell come from the lighter but then I used a match on a different bit of snow and even went into a different room it didn’t turn as black but still smelled like burnt plastic or petroleum... “

Try using a hair drier... (No combustion by products) you will get a different result. Or put a 1/8 teaspoon on your electric stove burner. Same thing... Just boiled water.

BTW, If your making snow cones, never eat the yellow snow!!!


25 posted on 01/30/2014 9:52:23 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Mad Dawgg

So you’re suggesting that the trillions of tons of white stuff that fell on the East Coast in the past week was manufactured by some sinister entity, taken up into the sky, and somehow dropped on us? It would be fascinating to have an explanation of how that could ever be done.

All I know is, the white stuff in my back yard tastes like fresh snow and melts fine when it gets sunshine on it. If the snowmelt in your yard tastes like petroleum products, perhaps there is a lot of air pollution from autos in your area, or in an area that the storm passed through. (They do say that our air is getting a lot of the filth generated by Chinese coal-burning plants.) But I’m pretty sure that George Soros, the Queen of England, the Illuminati, the Knights Templar, the Vatican, the Bush family, and the Bilderburgers don’t have the technology to manufacture enough white chemical to blanket the Eastern Seaboard of the United States. And then to keep the air unnaturally cold for weeks so that said white chemicals don’t melt normally.

There are more worthwhile things to listen to than Coast to Coast.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 9:54:29 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“”Put some distilled water in your freezer and freeze it, and the same thing will happen with a butane flame...”

OK that sounds very right science wise. Does this cover the burnt plastic smell as well? I’ve used both a lighter and a match. and I get the same smell when it melts. and it is rank!”

Yes, The snow is by no means pure, but it doesn’t contain carbon or it would be black. The black (carbon) is not coming from the snow.


27 posted on 01/30/2014 9:58:38 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Mad Dawgg
https://www.metabunk.org/sk/plainiceblackenedbyflame.gif" ALT="burning snow" WIDTH=270>

WHAT'S THAT SMELL?

Finally, what may be the least complicated explanation is the smell that people are experiencing during the experiment.

The smell is likely coming from the fumes from the butane in the lighter. If you've ever used a lighter before, you can smell the chemicals.

WHY ALL THE FUSS?

As a meteorologist, the idea of modified snow is quite silly.

This wasn't a government "test" to see how people would react to snow, nor were the clouds "seeded" to produce snow in places that don't normally get it.

Despite its pure, white color, snow is anything from pure, especially because of pollution. But even with the trace chemicals snow absorbs as it falls through the atmosphere, it isn't supernatural. http://www.wdbj7.com/weather/why-this-weeks-snow-wasnt-normal/-/20128370/24210298/-/ubbcty/-/index.html

28 posted on 01/30/2014 10:01:03 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: ottbmare
"So you’re suggesting that the trillions of tons of white stuff that fell on the East Coast in the past week was manufactured by some sinister entity"

No I am suggesting that the snow I melted smelled like burnt plastic. The Ice I melted out of my frig didn't

I figured the explanation was something simple like the snow absorbed residue from car exhaust maybe and that accounts for the smell.

Of course Ice and snow are vastly different in structure so its not a real test. I looked for some ICE from outside but there is none I can get easily and its fricking cold out there right now.

Now a couple freepers suggested that the residue from combustion is the cause of the smell.

I would've thought the ice would smell the same BUT its from my frig not outside.

I will see if I can get some ice that formed outside tomorrow in the day time and try again.

29 posted on 01/30/2014 10:02:29 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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Ice cube is solid ice, and 1 cubic inch of it (about 1 ice cube) will melt into about 0.9 cubic inches of water.

OTOH, snow takes 10-24 cubic inches to create 1 cubic inch of water, depending upon how ‘wet’ or ‘dry’ the snow is.

IOW, it never looks like there is “enough” water left when snow melts.

No comment on the other aspects of this, except to suggest that the snow may be contaminated, in the same manner that run off from a ‘first rain’ is contaminated by air pollution, road oils, rubber & brake lining dust, etc.


30 posted on 01/30/2014 10:02:30 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Mad Dawgg; shibumi

I just tried it.

Same results and now I have a nasty headache.

When it snows [”normally”] my dogs play in it and the Podengo runs with her head under it like a snowplow, snapping at it.

This time, she went out, snapped it once, spit it out and hasn’t played in it since.

None of them are “playing” with it.

This *is* weird.

And my head ~really~ hurts, now.

Something I noticed while out gathering the snow, only by the conspicuousness of its absence, are rabbit tracks.

Usually, the snow is full of them as they come in the yard to go to the smokehouse and help themselves to my goats’ alfalfa hay.

No rabbit tracks.

No bird tracks in the snow, either.

WTH?


31 posted on 01/30/2014 10:07:22 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Daffynition
"The smell is likely coming from the fumes from the butane in the lighter. If you've ever used a lighter before, you can smell the chemicals."

We get the same petroleum like smell using a match too.

I figured the lighter would give off something BUT I don't get the same smell when I use it on ice out of the frig. Of course Ice and snow are very different structure wise. maybe being denser and as such ice melted by lighter gives off a good bit of water the water absorbs the smell of the lighter and or match and it goes down the drain in the sink.

Where as the black stuff on the snow stays there and keeps stinking..

32 posted on 01/30/2014 10:08:19 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Incomplete combustion.

That creosote in the fireplace? The match is the same combustion process.

The butane in the lighter? You’re likely using a cheap lighter like the video? Only highly-refined lighter fluid burns clean enough to not produce anything but carbon dioxide & water vapor. A Bic lighter contains waste oils, as do the cheap refills for refillable lighters (the refills that ruin the expensive lighters).

This really is academic: Take a drinking glass or coffee mug, place the lighter under it until you see soot. What’s it smell like? The snow has a lot more surface area to capture the waste byproduct & soot. Hence the effect.

(where I come from we pass the joint to the left...I must’ve come in on your right, as I’m taking this far too seriously)


33 posted on 01/30/2014 10:09:06 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thank you. :)


34 posted on 01/30/2014 10:09:25 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: ApplegateRanch
"No comment on the other aspects of this, except to suggest that the snow may be contaminated, in the same manner that run off from a ‘first rain’ is contaminated by air pollution, road oils, rubber & brake lining dust, etc."

Yeah I was thinking exhaust fumes and such trapped in the snow.

35 posted on 01/30/2014 10:10:01 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Lotsa snow up here. I’ll check it out.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 10:10:35 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Chemtrail residue in the snow, nothing at all to worry about.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 10:11:33 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Mad Dawgg

Does it smell like sulfur at all or just plastic?


38 posted on 01/30/2014 10:12:51 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: GraceG
"Chemtrail residue in the snow, nothing at all to worry about."

Kickoff event to the inevitable Zombiepocalypse, no doubt...

39 posted on 01/30/2014 10:13:42 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: babygene

I burned some yellow snow and it smelled like piss!


40 posted on 01/30/2014 10:14:41 PM PST by satan (The tree of liberty is dying in the drought.)
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To: Irenic

to me like plastic that has been burnt. My wife thinks it smells like diesel...


41 posted on 01/30/2014 10:15:34 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I’m frustrated, I want to smell it...no snow here.

Mother earth may have gotten some silicone injections in her tukus— it’s all the rage.

Last few years there have been several volcanoes active, I wondered if there is some ash in the snow or something.


42 posted on 01/30/2014 10:22:20 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Things that make you go Hmmmmmm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3117575/posts

what say you now you disbelievers first geoengineered snow now BIG HEADED FISH!


43 posted on 01/30/2014 10:22:33 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

In This Thread: Southerners who don’t know how snow works.

“Snow” on the ground is mostly air. This is why it’s such a good insulator when you build a survival “snow cave”. So when you apply a low-temp flame to it (such as a match or lighter), very little of the snow actually melts, the rest being protected by the air spaces trapped in the flakes. The “blackening” is the soot produced by the lighter/match collecting on the extensive surface area of the snow (which also acts as a radiator to further retard melting). The smell is either combustion byproducts trapped in the snow, or pollution.

Also, even if you melt the whole clump, you’re going to get a “lot less” water than you expect, again because snow is mostly air. One inch of rain equivalent produces over ten inches of snow. So a tiny handful like that is barely going to produce a teaspoon of water, maybe less depending on how “dry” the snow is.


44 posted on 01/30/2014 10:22:45 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Irenic
"I wondered if there is some ash in the snow or something."

All I know it is freaking me out so tell 'em to get their ashes out of here!

45 posted on 01/30/2014 10:24:20 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: alpo

Also is right.
It takes fuel air and heat for complete combustion to occur.
The cold snow removes the heat and causes incomplete combustion hence the soot.
Lurking’


46 posted on 01/30/2014 10:28:27 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I’ll be checking tomorrow to see if your outdoor ice smells the same when burned. Thanks for the heads-up, this is interesting and a nice change from political assault.


47 posted on 01/30/2014 10:31:17 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Mad Dawgg

...still waiting over here on the right...

???


48 posted on 01/30/2014 10:33:27 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: Little Pig

If snow is mostly air, why is it so heavy to shovel? ;D

This was the best I’ve seen..but still

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-fake-snow-burning-snow.3026/

I didn’t get any blackening or odor.

Just no melting for the whole snow blob I brought in.


49 posted on 01/30/2014 10:38:31 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

You’re releasing some of the dust captured in the freezing water. It’s a known phenomenon that freezing rain, or even regular rain and snow pull down the dirt living in the air as dust.

You’re burning dust. Carbon getting heated in some form.


50 posted on 01/30/2014 10:54:49 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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