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Are baby's born to illegals US Citizens?

Posted on 02/01/2014 8:34:39 AM PST by Yooperman

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I say NO. The illegal mothers are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.


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KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; aliens; citizen; illegals; no; notreally
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1 posted on 02/01/2014 8:34:39 AM PST by Yooperman
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To: Yooperman

No


2 posted on 02/01/2014 8:35:40 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: Yooperman
Baby's?

Perhaps you mean the plural of baby, which is babies.

3 posted on 02/01/2014 8:36:35 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Yooperman

They are future democrat voters so the answer is yes.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 8:37:49 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Yooperman
Illegals aren't 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their country of citizenship.

Only since we have become tolerant of their presence here has this clear qualification become muddied.

5 posted on 02/01/2014 8:38:42 AM PST by skeeter
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No the 14th ammendment has been misinterpreted to allow illegals to come to the US give birth and have a US citizen to “anchor” them here permanently. That is not what the 14th ammendment was created for. The USA is the only nation on Earth who allows this nonsense. It needs to stop.

How do you think all these illegals get EBT cards? They have at least one kid born here who is a US citizen so they run down to family services and get signed up.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 8:40:16 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Yooperman
The illegal mothers are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

If illegals aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., then we can't arrest, prosecute, and imprison them for committing crimes in the U.S.

7 posted on 02/01/2014 8:40:54 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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You’re completely right but this is one of those issues where the facts don’t matter. The people who control the military and the police make the rules. It doesn’t matter what the constitution says.


8 posted on 02/01/2014 8:41:05 AM PST by BinaryBoy (RINOs: Not one dollar, not one vote.)
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To: Yooperman

I think that Israel and the United States are the only countries that grant citizenship to all that are born in the countries.


9 posted on 02/01/2014 8:42:10 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: skeeter

Illegals may not be subject to our hurisductuib
but any person born here is

WE should have amended that years ago
There was an effort to do that but it got stalled
Now the ONLY way to stop this anchor baby crap is to not let illegals give birth here
and you know how that would go over


10 posted on 02/01/2014 8:42:48 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: Scoutmaster

So they aren’t ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ until they are caught. Otherwise they are not even known to be in the country.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 8:43:46 AM PST by skeeter
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Are baby's born to illegals US Citizens?

Go back to kindergarten and learn to read and write. Stop embarrassing yourself.

12 posted on 02/01/2014 8:44:21 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Scoutmaster

If the Mexican Embassy has to be notified when one of its nationals is arrested in the USA, then that is prima facie evidence that the person is not fully “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.


13 posted on 02/01/2014 8:45:18 AM PST by oldbill
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I agree with you, they are NOT citizens. But, to me, the text of the amendment talks about the babies being subject to the jurisdiction of the US, not the mothers... We really need and amendment clarifying the fact that babies of illegals are not citizens beyond any shadow of a doubt, or else...

One suggestion. When my children were born I was not a citizen (my husband was), if fact when my oldest one was born I was here on a student visa, I wasn't even a legal resident. Therefore I think I know what I'm talking about when I suggest that all babies not born to TWO American citizens would need to go through some application process in order to become citizens. It wouldn't have to be too complicated, just making sure that the non-citizen parent is here legally, it could be done when you apply for the social security number at the hospital!

14 posted on 02/01/2014 8:45:42 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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With the inclusion of ‘and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States’ makes me say that anchor babies are NOT citizens. In the legal sense, jurisdiction pertains to the origin of authority. When Mom scrambles across the border illegally, she is still under the origin of authority of her native Country and so is her baby. The baby is recognized by Mom's Country as one of its own.

The anchor baby concept is just more liberal perversion of the law.

15 posted on 02/01/2014 8:46:11 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: RWGinger

Its a convoluted issue but by inaction it has effectively become law that children get citizenship. We have considerable birth tourism going on these days.

At this point we have grandchildren of children born to illegals being born here.


16 posted on 02/01/2014 8:50:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Yooperman
If The Constitution said:

“Anyone born in the USA is a citizen”

then yes, they would be. But it does NOT say that. it says:

“Anyone born in the USA, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is a citizen”

Big difference, and I would submit that being here illegally is NOT subject to the jurisdictions of

The problem is NOT our current immigration laws, which are similar to every other country on the planet, it is that THEY WERE NOT ENFORCED for 20 to 40 years. So we have people here who are not legal who have never lived in Mexico or China or wherever. How do you send them ‘home’ when they have no home there?

We have to acknowledge that the USA is at fault for not enforcing laws and take care of people that got here during that time (make then GUEST WORKERS BUT NOT CITIZENS!!!) and stop the rest from coming in, according to existing laws. There is no need to 'reform' laws you have not been enforcing.

18 posted on 02/01/2014 8:52:23 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Former Fetus
need and amendment

Ooops! I meant "need an amendment. I hope I beat the spelling police...

19 posted on 02/01/2014 8:52:28 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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Sort of. Technically they are dual or triple citizens, they are citizens born abroad of their parents’ countries first and foremost, but they have the right to assert US citizenship when they reach majority.

Until such a time as they surrender their citizenship in their parent’s country or countries as adults, they are not full US citizens.

There should be no provision for dual citizenship, one cannot serve two masters.

Just my 2¢...


20 posted on 02/01/2014 8:52:29 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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