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A 69-Year-Old Man Is Still In The Mental Hospital He Entered After Stealing A $20 Necklace In 1971
Yanoo Finance ^ | Feb 2, 2014 | Lauren F Friedman

Posted on 02/02/2014 11:25:27 AM PST by Innovative

In 1971, Franklin H. Frye was accused of stealing a $20 necklace from a woman on the street, and the court found him not guilty by reason of insanity. He was committed to Saint Elizabeths Hospital, where he has spent almost all of the past four decades, The Washington Times reports.

His lawyers have been trying to free him for many years. In 2005, his lawyer asserted in a motion that "Mr. Frye has recovered his sanity and no longer suffers from a mental illness as defined by law." It wasn't the first time he's sought release.

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KEYWORDS: justicesystem; punishment; stealing
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Man spends four decades in mental hospital for stealing $20 necklace

1 posted on 02/02/2014 11:25:27 AM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

According to the article, he was not ever convicted of the necklace theft. He was locked up for being insane.


2 posted on 02/02/2014 11:30:46 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Innovative

I think that he is probably in the right place. He sounds much like my brother in law, who should be institutionalized, but is not. The law governing the insane is insane as you would expect on any issue deemed important by the insane left.


3 posted on 02/02/2014 11:33:38 AM PST by centurion316
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To: Innovative

The man has been conditionally released multiple times over the years. Apparently, he does not adapt well to change of environment.


4 posted on 02/02/2014 11:33:57 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Innovative

Government officials steal millions and billions and trillions and do not get “locked up” in insane asylums.

Though they most certainly should!

They implement the same old policies and strategies, expecting different results each and every time.

Is that NOT insanity???


5 posted on 02/02/2014 11:35:48 AM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Innovative

Not sure why this is a problem. Personally, I think anyone who successfully beats a rap in a criminal case based on an insanity defense should spend at least as much time in a mental institution as he or she would have spent in prison under a maximum sentence. If someone isn’t responsible for their criminal conduct because of their mental state, then they certainly don’t belong walking around freely in public.


6 posted on 02/02/2014 11:36:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Innovative

Playing devil’s advocate here but it appears the guy admitted to being crazy and then was violent and confrontational for many years while in the system. The same people who decry this man’s institutionalization will look at the Adam Lanza’s of the world and ask “why wasn’t he in a hospital?”


7 posted on 02/02/2014 11:37:16 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Alberta's Child

He stole a $20 necklace!!!

Do you think he deserves 40 years in jail or insane asylum for that?


8 posted on 02/02/2014 11:37:49 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
I'm part of the 'Bring Back The Booby Hatch' advocacy.

If the man is nuts, keep him in the nut house.

I really don't care if the new booby hatches are big enough to be booby cities, as long as they're identified as such and the patients cannot get out into the public at large.

9 posted on 02/02/2014 11:41:40 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Alberta's Child

“Personally, I think anyone who successfully beats a rap in a criminal case based on an insanity defense should spend at least as much time in a mental institution as he or she would have spent in prison under a maximum sentence.”

I agree with your statement, generally. However, I do not believe that 40 years is the applicable sentence for stealing a $20 necklace. ;-)


10 posted on 02/02/2014 11:42:01 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: Innovative
Ezra Pound was once incarcerated for a number of years in St. Elizabeth's Hospital (D.C.) in lieu of shooting or hanging him for treason.
11 posted on 02/02/2014 11:42:20 AM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Innovative

Yes but a $20 necklace in 1971 is worth way more today.


12 posted on 02/02/2014 11:43:04 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Innovative

be careful what you wish for


13 posted on 02/02/2014 11:44:00 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SamAdams76

I don’t think it is worth so much more for the punishment for stealing, a non-violent crime, to be 40 years +.


14 posted on 02/02/2014 11:44:09 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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15 posted on 02/02/2014 11:47:22 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: centurion316
I think that he is probably in the right place.

At least he is not on the curb begging and living under an overpass as one of the left's noble homeless people.

16 posted on 02/02/2014 11:51:42 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Innovative

Stealing can be no other than a violent crime.


17 posted on 02/02/2014 12:00:06 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Innovative

My guess is that he does fine on his medications, but when he gets out, he won’t stay on them and rapidly spirals.


18 posted on 02/02/2014 12:04:01 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Innovative

“He stole a $20 necklace!!! Do you think he deserves 40 years in jail or insane asylum for that?”

Taking the necklace was a piece of luck to be able to put a schizophrenic with borderline intelligence in a mental hospital. Borderline intelligence (between 70-90 IQ) means the person isn’t able to process information well or learn well. Then add a thought process problem a schizophrenic has to that, and he is where he should be. With that amount of intelligence, he won’t be able to function, run his life, in the outside world.

I used to psychologically test criminals after their release from prison. One man I tested was in that dull normal range, about 70-75 IQ. He should not have been sent to prison for what he did, but that is what happened. He “stole” some tires from a service station in broad daylight and was arrested and ended up in prison. He didn’t understand he was stealing, his mind couldn’t register that, he just walked in there and took the tires.

It is a difficult life for dull normal intelligence people. Usually, there will be a family member who will help the individual get through life. If you add a mental disorder, the outcome is not good.


19 posted on 02/02/2014 12:06:15 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: yldstrk

This was exactly what I was thinking. What will happen to conservatives when libs establish the precedent that conservative thought is indicative of mental illness?


20 posted on 02/02/2014 12:32:10 PM PST by macrahanish #1
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To: usurper

You can thank JFK, the man who’s election ended America.

Emptying the Mental Hospitals was the last bill he signed, it was after he unionized federal employees.

“”Reform was well underway when President John F. Kennedy endorsed this new era in mental health in a 1963 speech, calling for a “bold new approach” in which “reliance on the cold mercy of custodial isolation will be supplanted by the open warmth of community concern and capability.”

Those were heady days in American psychiatry, when psychoanalysis and the mental hygiene movement held sway and promised to cure all manner of ills by early intervention and improving the social environment. In hindsight, the therapeutic zeal of these professionals was impressively naïve: They were certain that severely mentally ill patients in state hospitals — many living there for decades — would magically adjust to the community and do well with outpatient treatment. How wrong they proved to be.””

A Solution That Now Looks Crazy
‘American Psychosis’ Attacks Mental Health Care
JAN. 13, 2014
Books
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.

“How the Federal Government Destroyed the Mental Illness Treatment System”: That subtitle is the opening shot across the bow in this jeremiad of a book by the psychiatrist Dr. E. Fuller Torrey. It could just as well have read: “How a group of well-intentioned, starry-eyed idealists made a hash of mental health care.”


21 posted on 02/02/2014 12:46:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Innovative

He could have shot the president and a few others and gotten out for weekends and such. I guess he tried to steal a necklace from a democrat.


22 posted on 02/02/2014 12:52:10 PM PST by petitfour
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To: petitfour

He could have shot the president and a few others and gotten out for weekends and such. I guess he tried to steal a necklace from a democrat.”

yes,, indeed:

‘His stay at Saint Elizabeths now has been longer than that of the Hospital’s most famous resident, John Hinckley Jr., who was committed to Saint Elizabeths after his 1981 assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan and was recently granted a conditional release.”

‘A federal judge on Friday gave President Ronald Reagan’s would-be assassin modestly more freedom, allowing the 58-year-old who has lived and received mental health treatment for more than three decades at St. Elizabeths Hospital to spend 17 days a month visiting his mother’s home town of Williamsburg, Va.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/federal-judge-grants-more-freedom-to-reagans-would-be-assassin/2013/12/20/efdd2c60-68e9-11e3-8b5b-a77187b716a3_story.html


23 posted on 02/02/2014 12:54:59 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Sniff. I smell some bureaucrat getting a kick-back from state payments for holding prisoners patients.
24 posted on 02/02/2014 1:16:04 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: PAR35

Now that you mention it, that sounds likely. Seen that vey thing before. Someone does well on their meds and thinks they are cured, so they go off their meds. And then it gets bad.


25 posted on 02/02/2014 1:19:03 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Innovative
…one flew east, one flew west,
One flew over the cuckoo’s nest.


26 posted on 02/02/2014 1:33:20 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise; Innovative

40 years certainly seems excessive for stealing a necklace (the value shouldn’t matter, as $20 in 1974 isn’t the same as $20 today), but if the perp had a long rap sheet before he committed that crime then 40 years may be appropriate.


27 posted on 02/02/2014 2:03:35 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Innovative
his lawyer asserted in a motion that "Mr. Frye has recovered his sanity and no longer suffers from a mental illness as defined by law.

Since 1971, shrinks have declared that homosexuality is no longer a mental illness. Psychiatry is the biggest form of witchcraft we have going in America.

28 posted on 02/02/2014 3:42:20 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Onelifetogive

“Mhmmm... I reckon I’ll try sum o doez french fried taters....

“I call it a sling blade, others call it a Kaiser blade....”


29 posted on 02/02/2014 4:21:10 PM PST by esoxmagnum (Turtles don't win fights. Victory belongs to the aggressor, not the guy hiding in a bunker.)
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To: aimhigh

“Psychiatry is the biggest form of witchcraft we have going in America.”

Yeah; all you have to do is be eccentric and you get accused, you have to prove your innocence, or you’re hounded into confessing and then you have to have a huge blot on your permanent record and you can lose your freedom very easily.


30 posted on 02/02/2014 5:07:21 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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