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Arundel police officer kills family's dog during search (Maryland)
Baltimore Sun ^ | February 02, 2014 | Colin Campbell and Tim Swift

Posted on 02/04/2014 5:16:16 AM PST by Ken H

Chief promises full investigation after Chesapeake Bay Retriever is shot twice in front yard

An Anne Arundel County police officer shot and killed a family's dog Saturday while investigating a burglary, officials said.

Police said the officer — a one-year veteran of the force who was not identified — was canvassing a neighborhood looking for witnesses around 4 p.m. Saturday.

When the officer went to a home in 900 block of Lombardee Circle in Glen Burnie the dog — a male Chesapeake Bay Retriever named Vern — "confronted" the officer in the front yard, police said. The officer then fired his weapon twice, killing the dog, police said.

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1 posted on 02/04/2014 5:16:16 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Scumbag trigger-happy cop, one of Maryland’s finest.


2 posted on 02/04/2014 5:19:20 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Ken H

I have developed a strong distaste for cops. In the 60’s, my uncle had a donut shop. I remember one cop bragging he was going to shoot some punk when he ran from him. The cops called it “the cop attitude”. If you weren’t a cop you were a perp.


3 posted on 02/04/2014 5:20:56 AM PST by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: Ken H

“Take a day, and walk around, watch the Nazis run your town.” - Frank Zappa, “Plastic People”


4 posted on 02/04/2014 5:23:17 AM PST by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: Ken H

FR needs a “Jack-Booted thug” ping list. This is what American cops have been morphing into for the last ten+ years.
They are young bucks that have watched to many TV cop shows.


5 posted on 02/04/2014 5:23:28 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Ken H

I don’t see in the article that the dog was on a leash, or restrained by a fence.

If dogs are allowed to run loose, bad things can happen.


6 posted on 02/04/2014 5:26:00 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: AlexW
FR needs a “Jack-Booted thug” ping list.

Great idea...it seems one of these stories turns up every damn day. This is done as an act of intimidation.

7 posted on 02/04/2014 5:28:06 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ken H

If you injure a K-9, it’s considered an assault on an officer.

Apparently, the cop’s dogs have more rights than people.


8 posted on 02/04/2014 5:30:51 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Ken H

When I hear “pit bulls” in a story, I give the cops the benefit of the doubt, but retrievers? Bull$h!t.


9 posted on 02/04/2014 5:32:23 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Fresh Wind

The dog was in the owner’s yard. At any rate, until cops start paying for this it will just go on.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 5:32:41 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Ken H

“Vern barked and ran toward the officer, prompting the shooting”

Yet, George Zimmerman had to have his head beaten on concrete before he was even considered to be allowed to draw.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 5:34:12 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Fresh Wind
The cop was on the owner's property uninvited when the dog barked at him.

My sister has a 9 yr old Labradoodle that is the sweetest dog in the world. She is often unrestrained on her own property and will bark at strangers. Is that enough to shoot her?

12 posted on 02/04/2014 5:34:19 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Ken H

de rigour....nothing to see here....move along.


13 posted on 02/04/2014 5:36:22 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Ken H
The family said the officer wanted to interview a neighbor and was walking across the front yards of homes on the street when the shooting happened.

The officer was basically trespassing across front yards. Just because you have a uniform, gun, and badge does not give you the 'right' to come onto any owners property without permission. Wow. What is it with these da*% cops and dogs?

The dog did what he instinctual knew to do. Run up, bark at you, and look menacing(maybe). The officer was not in an active pursuit, running, etc. so there was no reason ...other than the officer's own stupidity at work here.

14 posted on 02/04/2014 5:38:06 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: who knows what evil?

” these stories turns up every damn day. This is done as an act of intimidation.”
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You are right. Cops do not resemble those that I knew 25+ years ago.


15 posted on 02/04/2014 5:39:40 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Ken H

The verdict will be that “It was fully justified.”


16 posted on 02/04/2014 5:41:09 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Fresh Wind

Lots of people have electronic Invisible Fences.


17 posted on 02/04/2014 5:41:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Fresh Wind

I don’t see in the article where the officer was restrained from ‘crossing front yards’ without permission.


18 posted on 02/04/2014 5:42:57 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Fresh Wind

You better keep your children on a leash when they are outside, also.Any living thing can cause an officer to “feel threatened.” If an officer “feels threatened” he is obligated to kill the object of that feeling.


19 posted on 02/04/2014 5:43:21 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Eagles6

There’s a reason why towns have leash laws.

By allowing the dog to run loose, without human supervision, its owners’ negligence contributed to the situation.


20 posted on 02/04/2014 5:43:23 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: arthurus

Kids don’t generally attack and bite strangers.


21 posted on 02/04/2014 5:44:50 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Eagles6

Absolutely. I suspect the officer would have shot the Lab were it on a chain. It has been done, numerous times.


22 posted on 02/04/2014 5:44:58 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: EBH
...so there was no reason ...other than the officer's own stupidity abject contempt for the citizenry at work here.

Fixed.

23 posted on 02/04/2014 5:45:33 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: arthurus

That cop is lucky to be alive...it is clear from the above photo that the dog was a foaming rabid menace to all humans in the neighborhood, and needed to be put down...this cop probably saved hundreds of children’s lives.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 5:45:45 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Vaquero

De rigueur.


25 posted on 02/04/2014 5:46:03 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Fresh Wind

Sorry, the article says the dog was on the owner’s property. Our dogs are trained to stay in the yard. Second, many people these days have invisible fences, but if an officer is dumb enough to walk into the yard without permission...?

That is not a negligence issue on the part of the owner, it is a stupidity issue on the part of the officer.


26 posted on 02/04/2014 5:46:40 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Fresh Wind
By allowing the dog to run loose, without human supervision, its owners’ negligence contributed to the situation.

Did you read the article? The police say the dog confronted the officer in the front yard. The dog was not running loose.

27 posted on 02/04/2014 5:50:04 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H

Wonder how long it will be until this cop shoots an innocent home owner while executing (pun intended) a ‘no knock warrant’.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 5:50:16 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: arthurus

I actually did a brief spellcheck via a search engine and picked the 1 wrong spelling and actually did a lift and copy.

what an internet.


29 posted on 02/04/2014 5:52:54 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Fresh Wind
There’s a reason why towns have leash laws.

ROTFLMAO!!! In some towns in soviet Red Hampshire; your dog is considered to be in compliance with leash laws as long as he is under verbal control of his master. No leash needed.

30 posted on 02/04/2014 5:53:10 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ken H

I’m curious. How do phone company, power company, cable company, mail delivery, etc. people manage to go to multiple homes each and every day without shooting dogs that bark at them?

I’m guessing the answer is they would be fired and prosecuted for doing such a thing.


31 posted on 02/04/2014 5:55:46 AM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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To: arthurus

I work with a great lab named Oscar. He is totally rockin’ trained and even the owner is amazed at times at times at what just a whisper or the lift of a finger get’s him to do.

He recently went to an ER hospital and even the ER vet, who is the type most likely to get a bite, was impressed with Oscar’s behavior and training.

But...I’ve walked Oscar where he locks onto something and his bark & growl, when he is riled, can be very surprising. He had a little kid come running up to him the other day..and that startled him...and Oscar gave out a warning bark. The kid stopped dead in his tracks and the Dad who was following the kid did as well. Dad then asked if he could approach to get his kid. I smiled and told Oscar to sit and invited them to WALK UP and meet Oscar. We got to use it as a valuable ...people lesson...for the kid’s sake.

All this rambling to simply state...yeah even a lab can appear menacing. But, in this case the officer was clearly in the wrong and trespassing.


32 posted on 02/04/2014 5:57:20 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Ken H

The dog was on private property and so was the cop without a warrant.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 6:00:14 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: fruser1
Apparently, the cop’s dogs have more rights than people.

Correct.

34 posted on 02/04/2014 6:01:53 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: EBH
it is a stupidity issue on the part of the officer.

Not stupidity. Overwhelming arrogance and the knowledge that there are never and personal consequences to police for killing peoples' pets (rarely any consequences for police killing people for that matter.)

35 posted on 02/04/2014 6:04:52 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Ken H
Did you read the article? The police say the dog confronted the officer in the front yard. The dog was not running loose.

If the dog wasn't behind a fence, or wasn't on a leash or chain, it was loose. Maybe not "running", but loose nonetheless.

36 posted on 02/04/2014 6:05:23 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Ken H
When the officer went to a home in 900 block of Lombardee Circle in Glen Burnie the dog — a male Chesapeake Bay Retriever named Vern — "confronted" the officer in the front yard, police said. The officer then fired his weapon twice, killing the dog, police said.

Applying the same rule that I do to all police shootings, I ask the simple question, "How would the police respond if I, instead of the policeman, had done precisely the same thing?" In this case, I am 100% certain I would have been arrested and lost my concealed carry.

A dog barking at you on its property is not a vicious dog, and a retriever is about the last dog breed in the world that would can expect to bite. This sissy cop should be fired.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 6:05:42 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: TheGipperWasRight
I’m guessing the answer is they would be fired and prosecuted for doing such a thing.

You bet, but they're not cops who don't have to follow laws, just ever flexible and nebulously defined "departmental guidlines."

38 posted on 02/04/2014 6:06:32 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: who knows what evil?
In some towns in soviet Red Hampshire; your dog is considered to be in compliance with leash laws as long as he is under verbal control of his master. No leash needed.

In this case, the dog's owners were inside the house and the dog was outside. Where was the verbal control?

39 posted on 02/04/2014 6:07:43 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: SampleMan

“Applying the same rule that I do to all police shootings, I ask the simple question, “How would the police respond if I, instead of the policeman, had done precisely the same thing?”

Exactly. And for pointing that out you and I are labeled “cop haters”. In most of the shooting by cop articles here if I had done THE EXACT SAME THING I would be sent straight to jail and would be looking at a long stint in prison.

But not the cop.

Some animals are better than others........


40 posted on 02/04/2014 6:10:20 AM PST by saleman
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To: Fresh Wind

So, dumb question for you.

Let’s say the dog was behind the fence, but not chained. The officer enters the property and the dog runs up to him and “confronts” him. Officer shoots and kills dog..still justified because the dog was “loose?”

Why is that so different in your mind?

The officer did one thing to “provoke” the alleged confrontation...he was walking across the front yard, not the sidewalk.


41 posted on 02/04/2014 6:11:40 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Fresh Wind
There’s a reason why towns have leash laws. By allowing the dog to run loose, without human supervision, its owners’ negligence contributed to the situation.

1. Leash laws only apply off of your property.

2. Leash laws generally state "on a lead or restrained", since the dog was on its own property, it was by definition restrained. The cop wasn't even on a public sidewalk.

If your or I shot that dog under the exact same circumstances, that same cop would have arrested us for it. The dog's owner has zero liability in this case, as the dog was on the owner's property, and frankly acting precisely as you would expect a dog to act.

42 posted on 02/04/2014 6:14:48 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: tgusa

This is consistent with the militarization of police and the use of SWAT teams to serve arrest warrants on non-violent/non-drug suspects. An officer or two has been shot and killed in a wrong-house SWAT invasion.

One of these days someone will defend his dog with deadly force. He’ll probably face murder-2 but maybe that’s what it will take to get law enforcement to reconsider the increasingly violent tactics.


43 posted on 02/04/2014 6:15:03 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: EBH
You didn't read what I wrote.

In your hypothetical case, the cop would absolutely not be justified in shooting the dog.

What you ignored was that I said fenced OR on a chain, not fenced AND on a chain.

Sheesh.

44 posted on 02/04/2014 6:19:30 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: who knows what evil?

It’s done to step up the fear of the state. Cops are just too stupid to know it. They just know it’s fun and in Ninja cop school 101 classes.


45 posted on 02/04/2014 6:20:08 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: SampleMan
...since the dog was on its own property, it was by definition restrained.

LOL! The dog owned the property? What is your definition of "restrained"?

46 posted on 02/04/2014 6:25:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: jimfree

Militarization of police forces - what could possible go wrong?

Where’s that picture of militarized cops storming neighborhoods up in MA after the Boston Marathon thing? That was d**n near open warfare on the citizenry.


47 posted on 02/04/2014 6:25:43 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Wolfie
Even when the cops pay, it's using the people's money. I hate to be captain obvious here, but it needs saying.

That is unless you are talking about a different type of "payment"? I'm over 50, kids are almost done schools, my dog (Red Heeler) is the most loyal true companion I've had for the past 15 years. She will still tear into anyone who even hints being a threat to me. I will do the same for her should it be required. She never leaves my side. Ever.

48 posted on 02/04/2014 6:25:49 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Not applicable in this case, as it occurred in the ‘Freak State’ of Maryland as opposed to soviet Red Hampshire. Just pointing out that definitions of ‘leash laws’ vary wildly from town to town, and don’t always involve a physical leash.


49 posted on 02/04/2014 6:28:43 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: EBH

‘What is it with these da*% cops and dogs?’

Its the run up to shooting people for no reason.


50 posted on 02/04/2014 6:30:09 AM PST by 556x45
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