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Study: Third-Hand Smoke Exposure As Deadly As Smoking
atlanta.cbslocal.com ^ | 2/3/2014 | Benjamin Fearnow

Posted on 02/04/2014 7:48:24 AM PST by rktman

Exposure to surfaces and objects that have been saturated in cigarette smoke, labeled as “third-hand smoke,” may be as deadly as smoking the cigarette itself.

A new study from the University of California, Riverside finds that the third-hand smoke that has soaked into the surfaces, objects and environment around people becomes increasingly toxic over time. Third-hand smoke is defined as the second-hand smoke that is allowed to settle on objects in any environment. Non-smoking children, co-workers, spouses and friends of smokers breathe in such carcinogens left in rooms exposed to smokers.

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KEYWORDS: didiots; secondhandsmoke; smoke; smoking; thirdhandsmoke
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UC Riverside study. Hell, I bought a garden hose last summer and it had a warning label on it that said drinking from it was "known" to cause cancer in California. HUH? Lucky for me I don't live in California thus no harm, no foul. I believe that if you buy a used car that was parked two cars over from a smokers car you could be in trouble. At least in California. What about 4th and 5th hand smoke? We need to address that as well.
1 posted on 02/04/2014 7:48:24 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Unless its pot smoke......


2 posted on 02/04/2014 7:49:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rktman

Wasn’t the entire second hand smoke thing recently debunked? These people are hysterical.


3 posted on 02/04/2014 7:49:52 AM PST by skeeter
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To: rktman

Second Hand Liberalism is harmful to Children and all other living things.


4 posted on 02/04/2014 7:51:10 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: skeeter

Smoke Encounters of the Third Kind.


5 posted on 02/04/2014 7:51:36 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: rktman

I’ve been cleaning amplifiers, computers, various electronics, all suffering from “emphysema” for 40 years now. A sound man in smoke filled bars since I was 14. No cancer yet. Bunch of pu**ies.


6 posted on 02/04/2014 7:52:18 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: rktman

“May”.

We better act right now and elect more democrats and give the UN more power and become communist so we can have a better chance of fighting “may” ;/


7 posted on 02/04/2014 7:52:42 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: rktman

One word:

BUNK.

And I’m a former smoker, now strongly opposed to smoking.

This is a ridiculous PR trick. Nothing more.


8 posted on 02/04/2014 7:53:02 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: rktman

. . . and you can pick up the clap from door knobs and handling somebody else’s panties or underwear . . .


9 posted on 02/04/2014 7:53:09 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rktman

I seem to recall Steve Jobs was ahead of this game. IIRC, Apple computer warranty was void in a smoker’s habitat. Something about not wanting service techs exposed to the residue.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 7:53:26 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: skeeter
Wasn’t the entire second hand smoke thing recently debunked? These people are hysterical.

Yes it was. That "study" was a meta-study derived from looking at several other studies. HHS actually cherry-picked the studies to be used so they could get the results they wanted. There was no science or real statistical analysis involved.

11 posted on 02/04/2014 7:54:14 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: cripplecreek
Unless its pot smoke......

Then you scrape it up and put it in a hash pipe and turn it into 4th hand smoke. The ultimate in recycling.

12 posted on 02/04/2014 7:54:27 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Vigilanteman

no licking toilet seats either (a warning only needed in San Francisco)


13 posted on 02/04/2014 7:56:50 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: rktman
third-hand smoke that has soaked into the surfaces, objects and environment around people becomes increasingly toxic over time.

Not actually supported by the detailed text in the article.

What they presumably meant to say is that prolonged exposure results in increased risk due to an increased dose. Dose = exposure x time.

Given the astonishing scientific and statistical irregularities in the original EPA studies of second-hand smoke, I find the results of this study really, really unlikely.

For the results of the EPA 2nd-hand smoke study to be accurate, second-hand smoke would have to be much more toxic than 1st-hand smoke. Which doesn't seem probable.

These studies invariably give the impression that there's something uniquely hazardous about smoke from the tobacco plant. This is of course untrue, since the carcinogenic components (tars) of tobacco smoke are similar to smoke from wood or other plants.

The only reason cigarettes are so hazardous is that we don't normally intentionally deeply inhale the smoke of other plants in such quantity. Nicotine, the drug that induces people to smoke in such quantity, is actually pretty innocuous and even beneficial in the doses a smoker is exposed to. Although it is incredibly toxic at higher doses.

14 posted on 02/04/2014 7:59:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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Just cigarette smoke then? Why not other kinds of smoke? Will there be a huge lawsuit and settlement for firefighters who handle smokey clothes all day? Hell, I’ve got an old smoker out back I routinely use to saturate food WITH smoke, if I get cancer can I sue Webber corp?


15 posted on 02/04/2014 8:00:02 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
This is a ridiculous PR trick

There could be a situation in which surfaces that haven't been cleaned of the effects of smoke over the years have other kinds of cleanliness issues. The other thing is proper ventilation. Lots of disease is caused when pollutants get in heating/air conditioning units, and some of those pollutants will be smoke and tobacco related. Keep in mind that the problem isn't necessarily the tobacco; the additives could be. Another issue....fresh air and sunshine are necessary to kill germs.

I could see how a nonsense conclusion like this could be scientifically "proven" if all of those other factors are ignored.

16 posted on 02/04/2014 8:00:46 AM PST by grania
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To: rktman

I call BS, too.
This isn’t about safety. It’s about revenue generation.


17 posted on 02/04/2014 8:01:26 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: rktman

I cannot understand how smokers survive at all. In addition to first-hand smoke they get constant second-hand smoke (deadly) and now even deadly third-hand.


18 posted on 02/04/2014 8:07:05 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: rktman

What about if you just think about cigarette smoke? :-)


19 posted on 02/04/2014 8:07:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rktman
The great passive smoking hoax
20 posted on 02/04/2014 8:08:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: rktman

These studies are pure BS. For this to be true the toxins in cigarette smoke would have to be as easily transmitted as the norovirus. In 1999, after one gentleman vomited in a concert hall and nearby bathroom in Wales, more than 300 people inhaled enough airborne norovirus to become ill. I doubt cigarette smoke toxins are that easily transmitted.


21 posted on 02/04/2014 8:09:28 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: rktman

Sometimes, I think I should just go request a government grant to study the effects of global warming on the dangers of smoking.

Say...? What? $7MM? $8MM??

I’ll produce a VERY nice report.


22 posted on 02/04/2014 8:10:29 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: Abathar

Some of the comments after the article address that in detail. What about pellet stoves? What kind of harmful components reside in those pellets? One of my neighbors has a pellet stove and when I’m outside I can always tell when it’s fired up. News flash. Nobody gets out alive. Some sooner, some later. Can’t we just enjoy the time we have? Vilifying “legal” products, touting “illegal” products. Bizzaro world.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 8:16:16 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Right Brother

Next, we’ll be hearing about fourth-hand smoke, and fifth-hand smoke, and ....


24 posted on 02/04/2014 8:18:02 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: rktman

Bull Obamastuff.

Oh, forgot, it’s coming from one of Mexifornia’s disgraced “centers of higher learning”.

So, Bull Obamastuff raised to the Nth power...where N is a very large number.

Shove it up your collective Obamaholes, California.

We scarcely give a sh.....


25 posted on 02/04/2014 8:19:07 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: rktman

I remember when I was much younger we had to clean the yellow gunk off the inside of the windshield.

Later I was on a submarine and I had to clean the gunk off the air cleaners.

Gunk in the air from smokers is REAL.


26 posted on 02/04/2014 8:19:26 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: rktman

Oh brother. Here we go again. Once again the “I think I’ll just sit here and come up with another load of crap” club is alive and well in Kalifornia. God help us!


27 posted on 02/04/2014 8:21:22 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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"Studies" like this allow them to whip up more and more "smoking related deaths".

For example... Mary gets cancer at age 67. She never smoked, but did meet a guy in a bar for a drink once when she was 25. The bar had allowed smoking in their facility until 2 years prior to her 45 minute visit, but hadn't completely scrubbed the walls/ceilings after their smoking ban went into effect.

Since Mary contracted cancer later in life... they can now count her case as "smoking related" since she entered that bar which likely still had some residue laying around.

The more they stretch the facts, the higher the numbers get... which in turn allows them to count even more cancer cases as "smoking related"... which again helps them count even more people in the results.

28 posted on 02/04/2014 8:22:43 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: skeeter

“Wasn’t the entire second hand smoke thing recently debunked? These people are hysterical.”

You can literally buy a “study” that concludes anything you want to pay for. As a professor told me once (when I was working on his project), “The first question you ask is ‘what are you trying to prove?’” Because if you want other grants you’d better jigger the data so that it shows what they’re looking for. “Science” no longer exists. It’s just a meal ticket now.


29 posted on 02/04/2014 8:24:05 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: All

Democrats who do not bath or use deoderant have the same effect.


30 posted on 02/04/2014 8:26:27 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rktman

I remember when I was much younger we had to clean the yellow gunk off the inside of the windshield.

Later I was on a submarine and I had to clean the gunk off the air cleaners.

Gunk in the air from smokers is REAL.


31 posted on 02/04/2014 8:27:19 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Right Brother
Smoke Encounters of the Third Kind.

ha!

32 posted on 02/04/2014 8:28:08 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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33 posted on 02/04/2014 8:29:41 AM PST by tomkat (it's likely behind door #4, Monty)
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To: rktman

ALL third hand smoke, or just tobacco?? Is anyone going to say that MARIJUANA smoke is harmful-second,third or fifth hand? Do they dare?
Of course if you’re stoned EVERYTHING is good-that’s the point isn’t it? Let’em legalize weed- I’ll sue the first weedhead who forces me to inhale their dope smoke.


34 posted on 02/04/2014 8:29:42 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: TexasGator
Gunk in the air from smokers is REAL.

And according to the tv ads, it goes thru keyholes and power outlets into the nieghbors bedroom where the baby is inhaling the smoke. How real is that ?

35 posted on 02/04/2014 8:31:07 AM PST by quimby
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To: Cementjungle

Another example of “xxx related inuries”. My mom was carrying an unopened bottle of wine and slipped and fell shattering the bottle and severely cutting the palm of her hand requiring a trip to the ER and a lot of stitches. Voila! Alcohol related injury?


36 posted on 02/04/2014 8:31:16 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
The test group mice was kept closely shaved to bare skin, while controls were not shaved or handled. The trauma and stress of shaving the mice (try shaving down to bare skin your cat) could explain the glucose and other physiological stress reactions, as well as the anxiety and hyperactivity in behavioral tests.

In the wound healing aspect, the controls and test animals were gauged with a 7 mm wide biopsy punch, which is obviously quite a different wound on a closely shaved skin vs hair covered skin, plus the "researchers" (highly motivated to show harm of 3rd hand smoke) will know which is which and how hard they ought to gauge the mice to get the results "right".

I would like to see what would happen if one were to keep shaving down to bare skin, from head to toes, these non-smoking "scientists" with a rusty razor blade, then compare them to a matching group of smokers, who were left alone, with the procedures repeated for few weeks. For better comparison to this "research", one would also have to have smokers shave and gauge with biopsy tools of their choice these "scientists" and then evaluate the results.

The original "study" is here.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 8:43:21 AM PST by nightlight7
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Another example of “xxx related inuries”. My mom was carrying an unopened bottle of wine and slipped and fell shattering the bottle and severely cutting the palm of her hand requiring a trip to the ER and a lot of stitches. Voila! Alcohol related injury?

Smoking related too if they find that the worker in the vineyard had smoked before handling that bottle. He may have left residue on the bottle, which she has now picked up by touching the bottle. If she gets cancer any time in the next 50 years, they can add that to the victim list of 3rd hand smoking... which is getting more dangerous by the minute.

38 posted on 02/04/2014 8:59:42 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: ChildOfThe60s

They actually do that? I guess it is no more worse than some of the other crap they do . . . literally.


39 posted on 02/04/2014 9:02:06 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rktman

I was looking for a sarcasm or satire tag -— alas there are people who will believe anything...............


40 posted on 02/04/2014 9:08:49 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: rktman

Well it’s the FOURTH hand smoke I fear. We don’t even know what it is yet and it will probably kill us and destroy the planet.


41 posted on 02/04/2014 9:12:31 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rktman

nekkid smokers, beware!


42 posted on 02/04/2014 9:13:01 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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F***ing nutcases. What's next? I can answer: FOURTH HAND SMOKE!

That is when there is a single tobacco plant anywhere in the Universe.

And it causes cancer.

43 posted on 02/04/2014 9:19:30 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
What about if you just think about cigarette smoke? :-)

You get brain cancer.

44 posted on 02/04/2014 9:21:29 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: rktman

In other news: residents on Alpha Centauri were just diagnosed with cancer from 256th hand smoke.


45 posted on 02/04/2014 10:06:57 AM PST by unseelie
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To: Vigilanteman

I was being facetious, but I expect if you can imagine it, someone there does it.

For example, sticking stuff where it doesn’t belong.
From The Straight Dope:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/478/is-it-true-what-they-say-about-gerbils

Brace yourself, toots. What follows isn’t for the weak of stomach. For starters, an awful lot of stuff has been found where that gerbil was found. The medical journals list, among other things, the following astonishing array: A bottle of Mrs. Butterworth’s syrup, an ax handle, a nine-inch zucchini, countless dildoes and vibrators including one 14-inch model complete with two D-cell batteries, a plastic spatula, a 9-1/2-inch water bottle, a deodorant bottle, a Coke bottle, a large bottle cap, numerous other bottles, a 3-1/2-inch Japanese glass float ball, an 11-inch carrot, an antenna rod, a 150-watt light bulb, a 100-watt frosted bulb, a cucumber, a screwdriver, four rubber balls, 72-1/2 jeweler’s saws (all from one patient, but not all at the same time, although 29 were discovered on one occasion), a paperweight, an apple, an onion, a plastic toothbrush package, two bananas, a frozen pig’s tail (it got stuck when it thawed), a ten-inch length of broomstick, an 18-inch umbrella handle and central rod, a plantain encased in a condom, two Vaseline jars, a whiskey bottle with a cord attached, a teacup, an oil can, a six-by-five-inch tool box weighing 22 ounces, a six-inch stone weighing two pounds (in the latter two cases the patients died due to intestinal obstruction), a baby powder can, a test tube, a ball-point pen, a peanut butter jar, candles, baseballs, a sand-filled bicycle inner tube, sewing needles, a flashlight, a half-filled tobacco pouch, a turnip, a pair of eyeglasses, a hard-boiled egg, a carborundum grindstone (with handle), a suitcase key, a syringe, a file, tumblers and glasses, a polyethylene waste trap from the U-bend of a sink, and much, much more. In 1955 one man who was “feeling depressed” reportedly inserted a six-inch paper tube into his rectum, dropped in a lighted firecracker, and blew a hole in his anterior rectal wall. This changed his mood real quick.

Which brings us to gerbils. While the examples above are well-documented in the medical literature, live or recently deceased fauna are something else. Rumors of gerbil (and mouse or hamster) stuffing have been circulating since about 1982. In 1984, a Denver weekly said it had a confirmed report of gerbilectomy in a local emergency room. The Manhattan publication New York Talk reported several years ago that New York doctors first caught on to stuffing when they started encountering patients with infections previously found only in rodents. But no such case has ever found its way into the formal literature of medicine.


46 posted on 02/04/2014 10:11:03 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Sherman Logan

Second hand smoke is partially purified by the lungs of the smoker. Lots of the ucky stuff is removed by the time it is exhaled.

It is not even logically possible for 2nd had smoke to be as bad as first hand. By the time the reside settles on any surface, it is considerably different that when it was coming out of the cigarette.

This “study” is simply making it painfully clear that nothing is beyond being turned into a hazard by the loony left in their desire to control us.

Truly it is a mental illness to go to these extremes as they do. Creepy sick.


47 posted on 02/04/2014 10:18:14 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: quimby
And according to the tv ads, it goes thru keyholes and power outlets into the nieghbors bedroom where the baby is inhaling the smoke. How real is that ?

Quite real. Of course, the quantity that gets through is highly different on the size and location of penetrations between the spaces and on the pressure differential between them.

48 posted on 02/04/2014 10:31:52 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

different - dependent.

Sorry bout that.

This is actually my field.

For exposure you need:
A source. Cigarette smoking.
A pathway. In this case penetrations between the air spaces.
A driving force. In this case a higher air pressure in the source room would be needed for significant contaminant movement.
A person to be exposed. In this case, the baby.


49 posted on 02/04/2014 10:36:49 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Right Brother

“Smoke Encounters of the Third Kind.”

_

Very clever. :-)

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50 posted on 02/04/2014 10:42:30 AM PST by Mears
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