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The Creationists Have Already Won Tonight's Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham Debate
http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/02/creationists-have-already-won-tonights-bill-nye-vs-ken-ham-debate/357714/ ^ | Feb. 4th 2014 | Abby Ohlheiser

Posted on 02/04/2014 2:11:25 PM PST by Zeneta

Bill Nye, The Science Guy, will debate Ken Ham, The Creationist Guy, tonight at the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. They will debate a question from the 1920's: "Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern scientific era?" Yes or no? This is a bad idea for everyone but the creationists.

Whatever his intention, Nye is sitting down as a representative of "evolution" against Ham, implying that there are two equal sides to a debate that has already been settled scientifically. By simply agreeing to participate, Nye is simultaneously elevating the proponents of Biblical creationism, while marginalizing his own position.

Ham is a young-Earth creationist. That means he believes the world is only seven thousand years old or so, because if you look at the Bible in the most literal way possible, that's the timeline. God literally created the world in seven, 24-hour days, and so on from there. In a post on CNN promoting the debate (CNN will moderate the event), Ham lamented that "Several hundred well-attended debates [on creationism vs. evolution] were held in the 1970s and 1980s, but they have largely dried up in recent decades." There is a reason those debates have dried up: Ham and his ilk have no factual ground to stand on.

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: billnye; creationism; crevolist; debate; evolution; kenham; scienceguy; thescienceguy
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You can watch this debate here.

Starts at 7pm.

http://debatelive.org/?utm_source=creation-museum-creation-evolution&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=bill-nye-ken-ham-debate

1 posted on 02/04/2014 2:11:25 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

http://debatelive.org/?utm_source=creation-museum-creation-evolution&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=bill-nye-ken-ham-debate


2 posted on 02/04/2014 2:12:57 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

“implying that there are two equal sides to a debate that has already been settled scientifically.”

Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?


3 posted on 02/04/2014 2:15:46 PM PST by unseelie
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To: Zeneta

You don’t have to even watch. Just read “The Edge of Evolution.”. Mathematically, macro evolution is not possible. Micro evolution within distinct species, yes. The Theory of Evolution rests on one word, and one word only: Randomness. It is the major flaw.


4 posted on 02/04/2014 2:16:38 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Zeneta

It can hardly be called a debate. Intelligent design is irrefutable and Darwinism is unsupportable.


5 posted on 02/04/2014 2:19:19 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Zeneta
CNN will moderate the event

So when exactly will Candy Crowley jump in and throw the debate to Nye?


6 posted on 02/04/2014 2:20:31 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: unseelie
Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?

Sure seems familiar. If you can't win on the issues, try bluster.

7 posted on 02/04/2014 2:20:43 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Doc Savage

Stated very well and less than 50 words. Excellent!


8 posted on 02/04/2014 2:22:06 PM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: Zeneta
Intelligent design is irrefutable and Darwinism is unsupportable.

...and yet Darwinism is doctrinally taught in government schools as fact and the intelligent design proof of creationism is basically banned. Time for a change.

9 posted on 02/04/2014 2:23:05 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Zeneta

The CREATIONIST will win this debate!
http://debatelive.org/?utm_source=aig-homepage&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=bill-nye-ken-ham-debate-campaign


10 posted on 02/04/2014 2:24:22 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: PapaNew

Ken Ham is not defending intelligent design, Ken Ham is a Biblical Creationist

Intelligent design leaves out the definiteness of God

Ham is quite definite on the need of a Creator God and the results of Sin on the world and the need of a saviour.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 2:25:42 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: unseelie

For those that are interested in a few primers to the debate I would recommend these videos.

No Science, No Logic and No Morality: Atheism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxz84kS8k4U

David Berlinski

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8

How to Evangelize to a Secular Culture by Ken Ham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZlfHwJ1lY

Presuppositional Apologetics | Dr. Jason Lisle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j9-cyRbFcs


12 posted on 02/04/2014 2:25:55 PM PST by Zeneta
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The world is NOT only seven thousand years old, and anyone who thinks that is just plain nuts.

Heck modern civilization is older than that! The Sumerian civilization is over 8,000 years old.

No where in the bible does it say the earth is only seven thousand years old! The bible was not written as a science textbook! and so and so begot so and so DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LITTERAL ! example, I am a descendant of John Adams, so one “could” say... John Adams begot Texasfreeper2009, and be technically correct but have missed several hundred years in between.

13 posted on 02/04/2014 2:27:31 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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Ken Ham on RSR Prior to Bill Nye Debate
14 posted on 02/04/2014 2:32:17 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Actually, you cant prove any of what you just said

it is all conjecture, based on an opinion

No, it really is

You cannot prove that mankind was alive on earth with any factual evidence past 6000 years

all you have is theory


15 posted on 02/04/2014 2:33:59 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: RaceBannon
Intelligent design leaves out the definiteness of God

How do you figure? Intelligent design points to God as the Creator as nothing else does. It is the definitive proof of a Creator God. The only difference is you don't need to quote scripture to show the millions of examples of intelligent design in the makeup of a person's body alone. Acceptance of intelligent design only requires common sense and a non-denial of the obvious as the Bible says in Romans 1:20.

16 posted on 02/04/2014 2:35:46 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Zeneta

Perhaps the Lord is not amused... there is an ICE STORM developing in that area right now. They may ALL be spending the night together in that building!


17 posted on 02/04/2014 2:37:06 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: Zeneta

Funny stuff!

1. Abiogenesis is laughably impossible, but evolution must be true!

2. Evolution from one fish to reptile, etc., has zero evidence, but evolution must be true!

And they claim theirs is not a religious faith????


18 posted on 02/04/2014 2:38:35 PM PST by afsnco
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To: Zeneta

bumpping


19 posted on 02/04/2014 2:39:48 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Doc Savage

How anyone can watch this and still assert that Life spontaneously began from the “Primordial Soup” is not dealing with reality. (Yes, I realize that Drew Berry is an “Evolutionist”)

Start at the 2:55 point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bee6PWUgPo8
Drew Berry: Animations of unseeable biology


20 posted on 02/04/2014 2:40:42 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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