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State Passes Law to Legalize Shooting Police (Indiana)
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Posted on 02/04/2014 8:56:17 PM PST by virgil283

"Finally some rational legislation is passed concerning ‘public servants’ unlawfully entering another person’s property...... Well, Indiana has taken action to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”

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KEYWORDS: 2nd; banglist; donutwatch; homeinvasion; homeselfdefense; leo; selfdefense
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"All too often, we see examples of cops breaking into the wrong house and shooting the family dog, or worse, killing a member of the family.....

The law states:

(i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to: (1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force; (2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or (3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect.

Self-defense is a natural right; when laws are in place that protect incompetent police by removing one’s ability to protect one’s self, simply because the aggressor has a badge and a uniform, this is a human rights violation. Indiana is leading the way by recognizing this right and creating legislation to protect it.

Of course cops have already begun to fear monger the passage of this bill, “If I pull over a car and I walk up to it and the guy shoots me, he’s going to say, ‘Well, he was trying to illegally enter my property,’ ” said Joseph Hubbard, 40, president of Jeffersonville Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 100. “Somebody is going get away with killing a cop because of this law.”

How about questioning the immoral laws that you are enforcing in the first place? Or how about sympathizing with the innocent people whose pets and family members have been slain, due to police negligence?

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/#0UCBHJD16ErVHqcz.99

The NRA has worked to spread permissive gun laws around the country. Among them is the stand-your-ground self-defense measure in Florida, which generated nationwide controversy

1 posted on 02/04/2014 8:56:17 PM PST by virgil283
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To: virgil283

Thumbs up!


2 posted on 02/04/2014 9:00:08 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: virgil283

Cops have massive backup. Under all but extreme circumstances, there’s no reason for police to use a SWAT assault. Whatever happened to talking people out? Whatever happened to simply waiting, or geting backup and communicating? I mean, if we’re going to talk about cops going home safe at night as being the most important part of their jobs, isn’t negotiation safer than kicking in doors, throwing grenades, shooting dogs and blowing away anyone who twitches?

What are the real goals here?


3 posted on 02/04/2014 9:02:18 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: virgil283

What about their dogs? Can we shoot their dogs?


4 posted on 02/04/2014 9:03:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: virgil283
they ain't bullet proof neither...

5 posted on 02/04/2014 9:06:09 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: virgil283

I hope we get something like that passed her in texas. I think its unfortunate because there are still good officers out there but so many these days are on some weird ass ego trip and think they can do whatever they please and that they are justified in whatever action they are taking.

We have had thugs break in to peoples houses dressed as police down here and rob and kill them so that will also be something that would affect that aspect I would think. I believe you should be able to protect yourself in your own home against an illegal entry from anyone.


6 posted on 02/04/2014 9:07:26 PM PST by derhussl (illegal entry by police)
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To: Talisker
The real goal here is to make you (yes, YOU, personally) comply. Obey. Submit. Surrender.

The All Powerful State wants you groveling before it.

That's it ... nothing more and nothing less.

7 posted on 02/04/2014 9:11:18 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Talisker
Whatever happened to talking people out?

It's not sexy/rock-star/exciting enough.

Whatever happened to simply waiting, or getting backup and communicating?

See the above.

I mean, if we’re going to talk about cops going home safe at night as being the most important part of their jobs, isn’t negotiation safer than kicking in doors, throwing grenades, shooting dogs and blowing away anyone who twitches?

You and I would think that.

What are the real goals here?

Conditioning.
Stop, Drop, and Cower
[Direct Link]


8 posted on 02/04/2014 9:19:11 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: virgil283

PRECEDENT:

During PROHIBITION years up in the mountains, federal revenue agents were driven off farms here by rocksalt shotgun fire and they never came back. They were searching for stills on all the farms and the first two they tried to step onto they were met with rocksalt. True story. After that they raided only the towns and villages, never the farms again, coz they learned their lesson about the Second Amendment which protects the whole bill of rights. Only the farmers had the guts to stand up to them. My great-grandmother kept a shotgun loaded with rocksalt next to her rocking chair on the front porch just for the occasion.
She always bragged to us when we were children that the revenooers were “so scared of an old lady sitting in a rocking chair with a shotgun fulla rocksalt. I still have that photo of her and her shotgun on the porch.


9 posted on 02/04/2014 9:19:13 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: NorthMountain
The real goal here is to make you (yes, YOU, personally) comply. Obey. Submit. Surrender.
The All Powerful State wants you groveling before it.
That's it ... nothing more and nothing less.

Bingo; see the brochure linked in post #8.

10 posted on 02/04/2014 9:21:13 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: derhussl

It was the law in Texas until a few years ago.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 9:23:30 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: bunkerhill7

How does the rock salt work?


12 posted on 02/04/2014 9:23:32 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Talisker

Starting with Ruby Ridge then followed by Waco, the cops no longer wait anyone out. It’s guns blazin’.


13 posted on 02/04/2014 9:26:42 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: bunkerhill7
I still have that photo of her and her shotgun on the porch.

If you ever scan that photo, I'd love to see it :-)

14 posted on 02/04/2014 9:27:38 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: virgil283
Bring it!
15 posted on 02/04/2014 9:28:34 PM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: bunkerhill7
I still have that photo of her and her shotgun on the porch. If you ever scan that photo, I'd love to see it :-)

Me too! I love tough old broads.

16 posted on 02/04/2014 9:30:27 PM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: derhussl

One day I was driving down the road and met a funeral procession. There is no law that says you have to stop. A constable almost hit me head on, forcing me to stop. Then he pulled up next to me and screamed “You sit right effing there and don’t you effing move! You move and I’ll arrest your ass!” Turns out the procession was for a dead cop who died in a car accident while NOT in a pursuit. He was just driving like and idiot and flipped the car. I’ll always hope that fat assed constable gets his one day.

I also remember back when I was a teenager and a deputy sheriff told me “You’re guilty if I say you’re guilty.”


17 posted on 02/04/2014 9:32:19 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: OneWingedShark

File saved to my computer for future Freedom Propaganda use ... speaking the Unspeakable Truth.


18 posted on 02/04/2014 9:33:06 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Talisker

Militarized law enforcement could also accurately be called martial law enforcement.


19 posted on 02/04/2014 9:34:30 PM PST by RC one
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To: Bobalu; bunkerhill7

20 posted on 02/04/2014 9:38:27 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Talisker
What are the real goals here?

This is pure speculation, but there may be many reasons. Possibly, they are conditioning Americans for martial law, by getting them used to raids on homes. They might be practicing raids to round people up for the camps, or they are practicing for a major gun grab. Who knows for sure?

21 posted on 02/04/2014 9:40:29 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: FredZarguna

LoL!
Made me laugh out loud (and startled the cat)


22 posted on 02/04/2014 9:40:44 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: NorthMountain
File saved to my computer for future Freedom Propaganda use ... speaking the Unspeakable Truth.

Thank you.
It's good to know my work is appreciated/used.

23 posted on 02/04/2014 9:43:40 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bobalu
Sorry.

I forgot you said you wanted to see her in the rocker with the shotgun.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 9:49:25 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna
See this for a good laugh!
Beverly Hillbillies At Mamoth Studios
25 posted on 02/04/2014 9:55:11 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: James C. Bennett

at close range it packs a non-lethal wallop, stings like hell and gets under the skin and burns. Doesn’t really work past, say, 20 yards as is lacks the density to maintain energy downrange. It was my grandfather’s preferred method for keeping stray dogs out of his garbage cans. Worked especially well with the old brass reusable shogun shells that were a bit shorter than 2/34 inch shells. I guess they were 2 1/2 inches, but maybe someone more familiar can fill me in. I have seen him use dried peas too. He used to keep a couple loaded on his dresser all the time. In fact, I still have one of the shells (empty now of course)


26 posted on 02/04/2014 9:57:59 PM PST by The_Sword_of_Groo (A Winch usually gets mounted on the front of a jeep...a wench usually gets mounted in the back.)
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To: FredZarguna
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27 posted on 02/04/2014 9:59:40 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Bobalu
Classic.

Buddy Ebsen (Jeb) was a conservative. Don't know about anyone else except Nancy Kulp (Jane Hathaway, the Secretary at the Bank) was very liberal; she ran against Bud Shuster when I was in graduate school. Ebsen actually made a radio commercial saying that the people in Central Pennsylvania should know she was very liberal, and that he liked her personally, but would never vote for her. She lost hugely. The Congressional district in Central PA is overwhelmingly Republican.

She actually lived about 7 or 8 miles down the mountain from me for years, and is buried nearby.

28 posted on 02/04/2014 10:14:32 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: bunkerhill7

My Western Penn. ancestors brought the revenuers to task.


29 posted on 02/04/2014 10:16:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Dalberg-Acton

> It was the law in Texas until a few years ago.

What changed?


30 posted on 02/04/2014 10:45:50 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: FredZarguna
IMO, she was a very talented character actress.
May she rest in peace.

I always chuckled when she appeared in that silly looking bird watching outfit..lol


31 posted on 02/04/2014 10:53:46 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: Bobalu
That was a reprise of a role she did on Love That Bob, as the bird watching neighbor.
32 posted on 02/04/2014 10:59:43 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: virgil283; meatloaf; TigersEye

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

That pesky Constitution and the Supreme Court decisions in the above link show that there is protection against unlawful arrests for Resisting an officer, etc. This may be their concern with wanting to do away with certain constitutional protections...all those precedent cases.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 11:11:43 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: FredZarguna

granny is my hero, except for possum pie.


34 posted on 02/04/2014 11:46:29 PM PST by goat granny (.)
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To: Chode

I can hear the phrase “Shiny Badges” sung to the tune of “Tiny Bubbles” with Don Ho at the Tiki Lodge.


35 posted on 02/04/2014 11:57:00 PM PST by lee martell
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To: FredZarguna

Thanks for telling me that :-)

I will have to see if I can find that episode.


36 posted on 02/04/2014 11:59:36 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: virgil283

Does this include Game Wardens, property appraisers, code enforcers and other beaurocrats intending you financial harm?


37 posted on 02/05/2014 12:03:19 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Talisker
"Whatever happened to talking people out?"

Hot, fresh doughnuts wait for nobody so a quick ending is most important.

38 posted on 02/05/2014 12:07:14 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Bobalu
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the%20bob%20cummings%20show%20nancy%20kulp&sm=3

Check "Bob Goes Bird Watching" at the link. [1st or 2nd video]. Also "The comic genius of Nancy Kulp."

39 posted on 02/05/2014 12:20:43 AM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

Thanks!

I was wrongly expecting the blast wave to turn the rock salt to dust before it left the barrel.


40 posted on 02/05/2014 12:30:11 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Talisker

Swat should only be used for defensive roles, not offensive ones ie. Task forces.

Swat is basically a form of gun control already.


41 posted on 02/05/2014 12:46:34 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: FredZarguna

Thanks again :-)


42 posted on 02/05/2014 12:47:54 AM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: virgil283

This can’t end well.

I look for SWAT to up the ante and start using rocket launchers as their “No Knock” or an artillery shell from surplus military equipment.

Form the they’ll just frag, use a flame thrower or “non combustible CS gas”...

Oh wait...Waco ...


43 posted on 02/05/2014 1:40:59 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: bunkerhill7

Drone strike.

Game over...


44 posted on 02/05/2014 1:45:44 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: James C. Bennett

Very well ...


45 posted on 02/05/2014 1:46:41 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

We have drones too.


46 posted on 02/05/2014 4:31:44 AM PST by Renegade
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To: FredZarguna
FredZarguna said:


This is what popped into my head:


47 posted on 02/05/2014 4:33:05 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: bunkerhill7

You gotta Share the Photo !


48 posted on 02/05/2014 4:38:11 AM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: virgil283

Thank you, Indiana!

“The shoe has been thrown at the “emperor”!

The cry from John Q. Public is: “I Refuse!”


49 posted on 02/05/2014 4:40:49 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: lee martell
LOL!!!
50 posted on 02/05/2014 4:46:21 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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