Skip to comments.Bill Nye: Bible doesn’t tell Earth’s true history
Posted on 02/05/2014 2:43:22 AM PST by Olog-hai
Science Guy Bill Nye tapped on the podium, threw up his hands and said billions and billions in a Kentucky museum that has become widely known for teaching that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
Nye was debating Creation Museum founder Ken Ham and promoting science in the snappy way that made him a pop culture staple as host of Bill Nye The Science Guy in the 1990s.
The event was meant to explore the age old question, How did we get here? from the perspectives of faith and science.
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I am an engineer and a creationist. Nothing I do depends on evolutionary theory. Everything I do depends on observable science. Nothing I do is left to chance. Everything I do is deliberate and for a purpose.
It is absurd to believe that the circuits I’ve designed, or the programs I write, could be improved by coding errors, copying errors, or random noise injected by mindless agents, like electrical outages and alpha particle bombardment.
If there is no intelligence in nature, then how did intelligence “evolve”? The only answer that Mr. Nye seemed to have for challenges like these is, “That is a great mystery.”
The older I get, the less I believe in a purely literal seven-day creation. I find myself becoming more of a permeationist.
The earth is NOT 6,000 years old. Period.
Your electrical circuits and coding are far more restrictive in terms of the applicable rules and outcomes than chemical combinations of atoms and molecules.
What would you define intelligence to be?
You should SAY that instead of hiding behind an unknown word and concept.
Catholics don't believe in a literal seven day creation ... or YOU don't ?
“If you like your healthcare you can keep your healthcare. Period.”
“Creationists” are not. They are fools who make people of faith look like idiots.
The Bible is not a scientific text - its a book about morality and salvation. And people of faith who argue to try and make it otherwise are hurting all of us.
> Your electrical circuits and coding are far more
> restrictive in terms of the applicable rules and outcomes
> than chemical combinations of atoms and molecules.
Really? How so? My work depends on predictable, deterministic behavior of chemical combinations of atoms and molecules. My work is far less delicate than the vastly more complex development and operation of highly specialized organs working in harmony for the preservation and continuance of a conscious, intelligent life form.
> What would you define intelligence to be?
The positing of a question, to begin with. :)
Could anyone in the 1800’s even fathom all the technology that has developed and a part of our everyday modern lives?
We can not know all knowledge at one time but more occurs with future revelations. Intelligent design by an intelligent Creator. To divorce the Creator from science is impossible and its either arrogant or stupid to embrace that train of thought.
What rhymes with Nye is ‘Lie’.
See post #11 for a link to an article that I thought had a very interesting take on the topic.
God left Uranium that’s only 6,000 years old but looks like it’s been there for 4.5 billion years as a practical joke?
When one looks at a painting like the Mona Lisa there is no doubt one knows a great artist painted it. So when one looks at nature or the universe it takes a great leap of illogic to conclude that there is no Creator.
Fleas arguing about how the dog got here.
It looks like a logical way to approach it. But what I can’t agree with with respect to these Creationists is that the Bible is scientific text. I think that is absurd. It may be historic as it presents historic events, but its not a history text.
Its a guidebook to salvation - about God, man, morality, human failure and triumph, Redemption, the way to treat people and society. And when people start looking to it as something else, they get into problems.
You are exactly right about our Creator. However, it is also a horrific leap of illogic to pretend all of His creation doesn’t point to an old, OLD universe.
It's also a history book.
But nowhere does the Bible say the earth is 6,000 years old - that is a figure that man deduced.
We have little idea of the true flow of time in ages past, but we do know that time is not a constant, (we're not even sure if the speed of light is a constant).
I’ve never seen the Bible as a scientific or historical text, but as a guide for my faith. I don’t need two pseudo-scientists battling it out to either believe or not believe. That’s why it’s called faith people. There are unknowns yet we still believe. Faith.
As a creationist, whom you say is a fool, I simply believe the Bible over what the world says. This I believe because I've been loved by God through Christ Jesus. And if the Lord Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul and many other key figures believed that Adam and Eve were the first man and first woman (my first ancestors) then I must look seriously at Genesis.
From there I find that God made the Sabbath day Holy on the Seventh Day because He rested from making His creation on the Seventh Day and establishing the seven day week which we use to this day.
As for the earth being 6000 years old, have you ever noticed the Jewish dating system in terms of years?
It really comes down to what you believe. Ether you believe that everything comes down to chance or that God has a sovereign purpose for everything and a Love worth living for.
Just a thought.
Ever heard of a "false dichotomy"?
> God left Uranium thats only 6,000 years old but looks like
> its been there for 4.5 billion years as a practical joke?
1. The primordial ratio of mother-daughter element can be known. It can’t.
2. The rate of radioactive decay has remained constant.
The first assumption is the one that causes some of the wild variations we see in radiometric dating.
The second assumption has been falsified.
Mullins, J. 2009. Solar ghosts may haunt Earth’s radioactive atoms. New Scientist. 2714: 42-45.
Cardone, F., R. Mignani R. and A. Petrucci. 2009. Piezonuclear decay of thorium. Physics Letters A. 373 (22): 1956-1958.
Humphreys, D. R. Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay. In Vardiman, L., A. A. Snelling, and E. F. Chaffin (eds.). Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth, Volume II. El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, and Chino Valley, AZ: Creation Research Society: 25.
When he gets crucified on false charges, this idiot will understand maybe why historical credit to God is important.
Bill Nye the just die
Thanks for the link.
Time is relative. To the guy on the edge of a black hole for instance it seems that only a few seconds passed to enter the black hole where to an outside observer it took many years. I guess it all depends on your point of observation.
The formation of the Earth is not history per say, but a physical deployment.
History is about individuals, not things. But scienticists and historicists imply it.
With the small and the great, Bill will find out before the Lord whether the Bible is true or not. For all flesh will be gathered before God in the resurrection and see their Creator.
Those who have believed upon Him by faith, to great joy and reward. But to the others great loss and shame as they will know what has been missed.
I never could understand the interest in how old the Earth is .who cares. The Bible is a book to live your life by. I would think that if more people followed the morals of the Bible, we all would be better off.
Christ did rebuild the destroyed temple in 3 days. These 3 days are three phases. The same principle of salvation from sin, addictions etc... apply.
It takes 7 phases to make man, 3 to rebuild the saved.
Indeed. The way Eve was made in one day with Adam’s rib points that she is the ultimatenact of creation in a concert action between man and God, fulfilling both’s alliance.
Why is Bill Nye boasting of industrial quick stem cell research to create quickly human organs but somehow that is beyond the reach of God? He can even stretch time, so to speak.
Size or quantity for instance does not matter, but quality of the particle. Remove all the particles in the universe shrinking it away with a black hole. Split and downsize the remaining ones keeping of relative same size to each other, and the Universe regains its original size.
God's love is not false and the more one meditates upon it the greater love one has for his neighbors. And God's love leads one to an understanding of the sovereign God who says "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and compassion upon whom I will have compassion".
For He knows we were created out of the dust and to dust return. Why He should have such compassion to send His only Son to die in the place of folks like us was answered by the Apostle John. When John said "God is Love".
As for His sovereignty, whether one believes or not, that belief will out before His throne. Either to joy or to great loss.
Never understood why some people consider ‘I don’t know’ such an inadequate answer.
As Plato said, paraphrasing, “All we really know is the extent of our own ignorance”.
As a creationist I believe God never indicated how old the earth was. He didn’t operate on our time. Its ok with me to have scientists explore the mystery of God’s creation.
Yes God created the universe and man tries to find the how.
Too bad the ego’s of some scientists limit themselves by rejecting God’s hand in creation.
Deducted based on the Bible. It isn't rocket science. The Bible provides an unbroken lineage from Adam through Solomon and gives the ages of each. Solomon to the birth of Jesus was documented by the Bible and by historical records. One could quibble about how Bishop Ussher arrived at the October 23rd date but if you accept the Bible as history then it gives the age of the world at just over 6000 years.
People who abuse and twist Scripture in the belief that it was written to teach us science make religion ridiculous.
Why do we restrict it to Evolution to make things?
The answer lays when Adam and Eve bit the fruit.
They denied there was God who made them, it had to be something else, “more neutral”.
Bill Nye is following the same immaturity of atheistic Adam and Eve.
Ergo, if historically Bill Nye embraces that only him can do stem cell research and not God with Adam’s rib, that only man can make things out of his imagination unconstrained by the need to wait for Evolution to somehow do its thing, since Bill Nye is thinking exactly like Adam after biting the apple, the Bible is pretty darn hisrorically indicative of his own behavior.
It is a book of truth which touches on all those things. It is not purely a book of history but where it touches on history it is correct. It is not a book of science but where it touches on scientific matters it is correct. It is inerrant in all things. How could anyone say it contradicts "science" until we know all the "science" there is to know?
The real question is whether this side show did what it was intended to do; generate some money for the financially strapped Creation Museum. Time will tell.
All progress we have today is the result of reverse engineering the spacecraft from Roswell in 1947!
When people talks about Noah’s ark, and “all the species”, and brings the problem of placing thousands and thousands of animals inside the ship, they forget something.
The concept of species as we know it comes from Linnaeus, c.1753. That’s a few years after Noah. Why would a text from Noah’s age use a XVIII century definition to count the species? It doesn’t. It can’t. The usage of that definition is a subtle mistake.
Now we can tackle the issue. Nowhere in the bible says “6,000 years” with “year” meaning “one time around the sun”. That usage comes from other modern mistakes. For example, see the link at #11.
When Cain was punished to wander after he murdered Abel, he said that he was not being merely exiled to wander, but condemned to death in his isolation. So God made a mark to make sure others would not attack him.
Question is: who are these others?
Formation of non living things involve phases of fabrication, time is meaningless. It is one phase to the other.
When outside intervention takes place to manufacture Earth or beings, then we have the meaning of relative time coming to existence. Why God chose to follow the phases of the sun and Earth as a time reference, using it as a giant watch, when neither existed yet, is part of the whole integration management genius of creation.
> Never understood why some people consider I dont know
> such an inadequate answer.
The problem isn’t that Nye said I don’t know to some things he cannot know, but that he speaks authoritatively about other things that he also cannot possibly know.
“The earth is NOT 6,000 years old. Period.”
A careful reading of Genesis 1 would reveal:
1. God created the Earth.
2. The six-day creation period begins with Earth already
present. The Earth probably is billions of years old.
Was Adam created with the appearance of age?
UFO cults are based in progressism.
Progressism is the bigger cousin of Nazi pure perfect race concepts as it sheds human race for an interest into higher races of higher technological development.
It is premised in the same concept of demoralization of genius. Indeed, no matter how easy or how smartly one gets it, one will eventually face a challenge.
Character lays in ability to overcome this challenge and failures. Arguments for dependency on inherent racial perfection or advanced alien genius completly sets up any one for giving up on failure.
Evolution presuposes that the old age of the universe means more advanced races exist, when we could ourselves manipulate genes to make advanced beings without waiting for Evolution to do its “holy deed”.
Thus an advanced race is solely based on the ability of a race to advance itself through sheer self determination, in much the same way God is described of making man in the Bible!
I agree. And although I cannot duplicate the Mona Lisa I can certainly investigate and learn much about the style and techniques using which it came to be.
In much the same way, I can learn about the mechanisms and processes by which the universe came to be.
So far, evolutionists have shown a great deal more curiosity and have presented far more plausible detail in that regard than have creationists.
I suspect that Ken Ham, Gish, Hovind and others of their ilk have made atheists of more people than Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett and the like could ever dream of.
Thank God he gave us the choice. Spend our life trying to prove we were created by him, or spend your life trying to prove we weren’t. As for me, and my house........
There are a large percentage of Creationists who do NOT buy into the “young earth” narrative. (6,000 yrs. old)
The Bible makes it clear that to God a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.
People pretending to be able to age Creation by adding the “7 days” of Creation, to the lifespans in Begats, are kidding themselves.
And that’s part of the gig. That’s why the other con artist (the “science guy” who’s not a scientist) plays along. This is not about science, it’s about dragging people into easily manipulable artificial classifications.