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Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say
Fox ^ | 1/5/14

Posted on 02/05/2014 5:24:50 PM PST by workerbee

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1 posted on 02/05/2014 5:24:50 PM PST by workerbee
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To: workerbee

I’m not sure where to start?


2 posted on 02/05/2014 5:32:10 PM PST by fso301
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To: workerbee

All this proves is they found camel bones from 900BC. Doesn’t prove camels weren’t there earlier. They just haven’t found them yet.


3 posted on 02/05/2014 5:32:20 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: workerbee

When Abram sojourned in the land of Canaan, there was no country called Israel. There was no nation called Israel either until Jacob was born, who was renamed Israel after the wrestling match that everyone ought to know about.

The first mention of camels is in Genesis 12:16, and it refers to their being owned by the Pharaoh of Egypt.


4 posted on 02/05/2014 5:33:15 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: workerbee

5 posted on 02/05/2014 5:33:20 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: workerbee

This finding doesn’t mean that camels weren’t brought in during earlier periods but not adopted/domesticated until later.

Camels have been around for tens of thousands of years. They were used by migratory/trading people for possibly thousands of years before they were “domesticated” in the newly settled areas of the Middle East.

By the way, Camels are not kosher, and my son, who encountered them in Iraq, say they stink like a cesspool.

My late grandmother did ride a camel in the old Palestine in the 1920’s, and then smoked them for years.

Remember the old joke? How do you like your camels, one hump or two? Neither do I.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 5:38:43 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: workerbee

So lack of evidence is now proof - Ok then show me the evolutionary transitional species!


7 posted on 02/05/2014 5:39:06 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: fso301; All
I’m not sure where to start?

That's why I haven't posted my 2 cents worth, including mandatory snide remark about Fx News.

8 posted on 02/05/2014 5:40:09 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I wonder how many remember the old ad: “I’d walk a mile for a camel”.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 5:42:19 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Olog-hai

in other news

they didnt have to dig too deep to come up with the jawbone of an a$$


10 posted on 02/05/2014 5:43:43 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: workerbee

Wait, are they saying a camel can’t get through the eye of a needle?


11 posted on 02/05/2014 5:45:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: workerbee
See Genesis 43.18: Joseph's brothers are afraid he will make them slaves, and take their donkeys too.

Personally, if I was about to be made a slave, that is what would bother me, not if someone was about to take my donkey.

At any rate the sons of Jacob are depicted as using donkeys as beasts of burden, not camels.

12 posted on 02/05/2014 5:47:19 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: workerbee

I found five pennies in parking lots in the past month. The oldest penny I found was from 1972 so I’ve concluded that pennies didn’t exist in the 1920s.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 5:48:03 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: yarddog

An Army Captain is assigned to a remote desert post in Iraq. During inspection, he notices a camel tied up outside the barracks. He asks the soldier, “why is that camel there?”

The soldier says: “There are 250 men here and no women. Sometimes men get urges.”

A month later the Captian has urges himself. He puts the ladder behind the camel, drops his trousers and has sex with the camel. He asks the soldier: “Is that how the men do it?”

“No sir, they usually ride it to the brothel!”


14 posted on 02/05/2014 5:48:26 PM PST by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: workerbee

1. Radio carbon dating isn’t that accurate
2. There is a massive presumption that they are testing bones that are uniquely what they think they are, i.e. why are deciding what they haven’t found doesn’t exist?


15 posted on 02/05/2014 5:49:25 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: workerbee

Just ask somebody who was there....


16 posted on 02/05/2014 5:51:41 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Proud2BeRight
I found five pennies in parking lots in the past month. The oldest penny I found was from 1972 so I’ve concluded that pennies didn’t exist in the 1920s.

Excellent deduction.

The science of pennies is now settled.

17 posted on 02/05/2014 5:51:44 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: workerbee

King James wasn’t even born yet.


18 posted on 02/05/2014 5:52:08 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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19 posted on 02/05/2014 5:52:26 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: workerbee

yeah, given how well the bible’s stood up to supposed “evidence” “proving” it wrong, i will back the bible.


20 posted on 02/05/2014 5:54:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: workerbee

If I find an arrow from the 1400s... they invented arrows in 1400!!!!!

LOGIC!


21 posted on 02/05/2014 5:55:06 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: yarddog

I do. Which brand was the one where the people in the commercial had a black eye? I think Tareytons?


22 posted on 02/05/2014 5:55:29 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: nickcarraway
Did someone say "Eye of the Needle?"
23 posted on 02/05/2014 5:56:21 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: fso301; workerbee; Gamecock

Why Am I not surprised. God’s word is true, so their research is faulty, and that’s eventually going to be how it ends up... it always does.


24 posted on 02/05/2014 5:57:07 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: workerbee

My father was a a cowboy in Wyoming on a Ranch. The horses they used to mow hay were wild 9 months out of the year. I suspect camels were not needed all the time and left to forage in the wild till needed.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 5:59:48 PM PST by the_daug
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To: mrsmel

26 posted on 02/05/2014 6:00:27 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Proud2BeRight

In Los Angeles, CA someone dug a hole 10 ft down, found copper wires, and concluded that they had phone lines 100 years ago.

In New York, NY someone dug a hole 20 ft down, found copper wires, and concluded that they had phone lines 200 years ago.

In Lincoln, NE someone dug a hole 30 feet down, didn’t find anything, and concluded that Nebraskans went wireless 300 years ago.

I think the credit for the above goes to Larry the Cable Guy.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 6:01:46 PM PST by posterchild
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To: the_daug

How do you domesticate an animal for 3 months and then undomesticate them?


28 posted on 02/05/2014 6:02:53 PM PST by posterchild
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To: workerbee

So the bible mentions animals from their future?

The Bible must be even more awesome than we thought!


29 posted on 02/05/2014 6:03:24 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: posterchild

outstanding, love it


30 posted on 02/05/2014 6:03:36 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: workerbee

The standard story about Camels is the Biblical proof that people smoked:

Gen 26:64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

Unfortunately, this story only works from the King James Version (also known as the Authorized Version).


31 posted on 02/05/2014 6:06:13 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: mrsmel

I had forgotten about that one.

“We had rather fight than switch”.

During WWII, Daddy sent his paycheck home to Mother along with the allotment she got anyway. He sold his cigarette ration to the other soldiers for more money than he could spend anyway.


32 posted on 02/05/2014 6:07:01 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks workerbee.
Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.
I can't imagine how this could be proved with radiocarbon dating.

33 posted on 02/05/2014 6:19:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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34 posted on 02/05/2014 6:19:34 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: melsec

“So lack of evidence is now proof “

The foundation of the Global Warming scam.


35 posted on 02/05/2014 6:20:47 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

I think Ronald Reagan advertised for Chesterfields.


36 posted on 02/05/2014 6:21:28 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

That’s it-”rather fight than switch”.

It’s strange to think of a time when the government actually gave cigarettes to the soldiers as part of their rations. All things considered, I’d trade these days for those.

My honor and respect to your dad.


37 posted on 02/05/2014 6:22:50 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: jjotto

That’s it. I can’t believe I remember that, Tareytons are kind of obscure these days, and that’s all I’m saying about that :)


38 posted on 02/05/2014 6:24:23 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: yarddog
I wonder how many remember the old ad: “I’d walk a mile for a camel”.

My Grandpa use to smoke Camels. They didn't take kindly to it. Ornery creatures.

39 posted on 02/05/2014 6:24:45 PM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: workerbee

Oh no! The Bible just fell apart because the camel bones were dated to be from 900 B.C. I guess my faith is destroyed.

By the way, aren’t real scientists today supposed to pretend that Christ’s birth wasn’t the pivotal event of all history and then use the silly B.C.E. and C.E. suffixes when dating stuff?


40 posted on 02/05/2014 6:25:00 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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41 posted on 02/05/2014 6:25:07 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: nickcarraway
Wait, are they saying a camel can’t get through the eye of a needle?

Who knows? More than likely, they are trying to discredit the bible, but I heard someone say, the Bible is an anvil that has worn out many a hammer. Considering all the attempts to wipe it out, the fact that we even have a Bible today, is quite remarkable.

42 posted on 02/05/2014 6:27:38 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: posterchild

My father called it a w-rope. It was tied to the legs over the back and was strung threw the yoke and collar to the harness then around the cheeks. If the horse lowered the head to kick the rope would pull the feet out from underneath, and if kicked only one leg it pull another leg out from underneath it. Evidently they could walk though and after a couple days the horse would be domestic.


43 posted on 02/05/2014 6:30:08 PM PST by the_daug
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Not really viz-

Further support for early camels in Egypt is cited by Mohamed El-Nadi, founder of the Egyptian web site el-shella.com, his source appears to be BGA (the Dutch foundation and journal for Bible, History and Archaeology, again.7

“A tomb that was dated to the first dynasty (about 3000 B.C.) and opened in 1905 contained a lime-stone vase that had the shape of a lying dromedary camel. The vase depicts a dromedary that carries a burden. H.S. Smith of London University pointed out that pictures of camels existed in Egypt already in the pre-dynastic period (before 3000 B.C.).

An earthenware head of a camel from times previous to the first dynasty was found in Maadi near Cairo in 1930. A rock carving of similar age depicting a dromedary and other animals was found in Wadi Natash el-Raiyan, in the eastern desert, also around 1930.

In a gypsum quarry, under half a meter of gypsum powder, a string made of camel’s hair was found. Pottery from the same layer was dated to the third or early fourth dynasty (about 2640-2500 B.C.). The string had presumably been used by a miner to keep his clothing together. This too is just a piece of evidence that camels were known in Egypt even in those days. At the beginning of the 20th century a statuette of a dromedary carrying two water jars was found in a tomb at Rifeh. The tomb reigned in the 13th century B.C., and was not used again in later times. The water jars were of the type used during that century. A glaze picture of a dromedary with water jars found in Benha dating as early as 1300 B.C..”

There is a picture of a camel, with a rider on its back, found in the ruins of Tall Halaf in Iraq, which dates back to between 3000 and 2900 B.C..

In 1912, near Aswan, in Egypt, a rock painting was discovered which showed a man pulling along a camel on a rope, plus seven hieroglyphic characters. On account of the writing Möller dated the inscription to the period of the sixth dynasty (2320-2150 B.C.), and Schweinfurth concurred. However, Croft disagrees regarding the figures as graffiti from the 19th dynasty (1300 B.C.).

http://www.studylight.org/ls/ds/index.cgi?a=518


44 posted on 02/05/2014 6:33:45 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: nickcarraway

“Wait, are they saying a camel can’t get through the eye of a needle?”

The reference stems from laden pack camels not being able to enter through a city’s gates without first unloading, passing thru, then reloading on the other side. It does beg the question, why weren’t the architects aware of the need to build a gate large enough and high enough to accomodate a fully-laden camel? Were there no camels around at the time the gates were built?


45 posted on 02/05/2014 6:37:25 PM PST by steerpike100
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To: steerpike100

Done on purpose as a security measure.


46 posted on 02/05/2014 6:38:20 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Mark17

I think that, on balance, there is more evidence to support the Bible than to disprove it. It’s also important to remember that the purpose of the Bible is not to describe the complete history of the world. The Bible is to recount man’s relationship with God (the One True God, not Allah).


47 posted on 02/05/2014 6:44:06 PM PST by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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48 posted on 02/05/2014 6:44:51 PM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: yarddog
He sold his cigarette ration to the other soldiers for more money than he could spend anyway.

When I was stationed overseas in the 80's we still had alcohol and tobacco ration cards. I sold my cigarette ration to my roommate for a tidy profit.
49 posted on 02/05/2014 6:45:04 PM PST by Tailback
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50 posted on 02/05/2014 6:45:37 PM PST by massmike (If I like my tagline,I can keep it! Obama said so..........)
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