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Promoting the California Central Valley as a retirement destination in lieu of Florida.
Zocalo Public Square ^ | February 6, 2014 | Jerry Nickelsburg

Posted on 02/06/2014 8:59:14 AM PST by bubbacluck

The Heart of California Can Come Back If It Doesn't Obsess on Who's to Blame

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: california; florida
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This guy has some good things to say about some positive things that CAN happen here in the Central Valley of California. Yes, it's still a good place to live notwithstanding the horrendous political climate.
1 posted on 02/06/2014 8:59:14 AM PST by bubbacluck
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To: liege
Central Valley of California. Yes, it's still a good place to live notwithstanding the horrendous political climate.

i lived in the Central Valley from 1999-2012... i loved it... wish i were still there... pretty conservative, especially compared to San Jose'--where i was born, raised and lived until 1999... (as liberal as it is, i still have a heart for San Jose')...

2 posted on 02/06/2014 9:02:39 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: liege

I wouldn’t enter that sewer of a state to take a dump.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 9:03:31 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: liege

The Gold Country’s political climate isn’t bad, relatively speaking. A good number of my school friends have over the years moved there from the bay area, and so far the area hasn’t attracted the leftwing wacko birds in any great numbers.


4 posted on 02/06/2014 9:03:55 AM PST by skeeter
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To: liege
Nope,not for me.Not in a million years! I'd live in Ukraine before I'd live in California.Soon I'm gonna be living in New Hampshire for 184 days a year (no sales or income tax) and in Florida the rest of the year.Trouble is...I can't decide whether to do Florida from September to March...or from March to September.

Just kidding.I'm not *that* stupid.

5 posted on 02/06/2014 9:03:56 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: liege

Since California’s taxes are astronomical, the water distribution is dependent on the US government, and the state government is full of crazies makes any move to California by seniors not desirable. PLUS the amount of taxes you pay just to drive your car (renewal and gas taxes are outlandish). There is NO up side to moving to California. Ask all of those who are moving out


6 posted on 02/06/2014 9:04:49 AM PST by Nifster
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To: liege

And heck yeah. There’s plenty of water..........what? There’s not? Oh, never mind that point. How about; The taxes and cost of living in the CV of CA is much much lower than.......what? It’s not? Oh, never mind that point. How about; Housing prices are significantly lower than......what? They’re not. Never mind. Sadly, there are stunning places all over Cali but I couldn’t live there.


7 posted on 02/06/2014 9:05:13 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: skeeter

But the state’s politics are dominated by SF and LA


8 posted on 02/06/2014 9:05:33 AM PST by Nifster
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To: fwdude

It’s great that we still live in a country where you can choose to live where you want.


9 posted on 02/06/2014 9:05:54 AM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: liege
Yes, it's still a good place to live notwithstanding the horrendous political climate.

And the crushing taxes to be paid. One of the main attractions of Florida, besides nice weather in the winter and the ubiquitous avian known as the "early bird", is the fact that property taxes are reasonable, as is sales tax, and personal income tax is 0.

10 posted on 02/06/2014 9:06:09 AM PST by ssaftler (Obama speaking is like the Fat Lady warming up: "Me Me Me Me Meeee")
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To: Nifster

California looked pretty good when we got off the MSTS in Oakland.


11 posted on 02/06/2014 9:06:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: skeeter

>> “and so far the area hasn’t attracted the leftwing wacko birds in any great numbers.” <<

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I want to assure you that the Tuolumne County board of supervisors is all leftie wackos. So is the “Air Rescources Board.”


12 posted on 02/06/2014 9:06:44 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: latina4dubya

You have to appreciate how SJ used to be >40 years ago to still love it today.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 9:07:36 AM PST by skeeter
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To: liege

Fl = no taxes
Ca = all taxes


14 posted on 02/06/2014 9:09:47 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: liege

I am in the Pacific Northwest, born here but grew up in S. CA.

Last night it was in the teens and windy - so cold. Supposed to snow here today and this weekend, the worst of the worst, freezing rain. I do love it here when the weather is nice - hard to find a more beautiful place that is easy to live in. But really missing southern California. We’ve been looking in Carlsbad which is a relatively conservative enclave, Issa is the Rep there. And, CA is still one of the world’s largest economies.

This isn’t an easy decision - great weather, high taxes v. not much sun but lower cost.


15 posted on 02/06/2014 9:10:36 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Nifster

Yeah, but on the other hand I’m looking forward to the area reverting back to the Old West when the social services benefits run out. Yahoo.


16 posted on 02/06/2014 9:10:37 AM PST by skeeter
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To: liege
Baby boomer democrats looking for hospital climates are flooding communities where they bring their political habits and make life miserable for others by voting in the new liberal leftists.

In many places such as Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina and Arizona, taxes are rising, property rights are being abused, and traditional social structures are collapsing as liberals with nothing to do in their retirement years are being elected to everything from school boards and planning commissions to county supervision.

Meanwhile, conservatives and independents hoping to live and let live as they try to enjoy life in retirement or [for the younger folks] raise a family are wondering what the hell hit them.

17 posted on 02/06/2014 9:15:55 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: liege

I live in Bakersfield in the Central valley. Two words describe it both proceeded by the words Too many.
Too many: Taxes
Too many: Mexicans


18 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:46 AM PST by sheana
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To: liege

For now. Of course, with the Leftist push for a one-state country, one place will eventually not be that different from another.


19 posted on 02/06/2014 9:17:46 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: liege
Promoting the California Central Valley as a retirement destination in lieu of Florida.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

So the CA commies can confiscate whatever's left of your estate when you kick it? Right.

20 posted on 02/06/2014 9:20:59 AM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: sheana

I live in Bakersfield in the Central valley. Two words describe it both proceeded by the words Too many.
Too many: Taxes
Too many: Mexicans

....+1, still have the family home in Oleander/Sunset and worry when reading Victor Davis Hansen about the overrun Fresno/Clovis area. Assume the same is true with Nashville West. Used to be a conservative area, seems like downtown is now a ghost town except for govt offices. Good luck paying all the govt retirees with the unfunded state pension plans coming home to roost!

ymmv


21 posted on 02/06/2014 9:27:54 AM PST by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: liege
If It Doesn't Obsess on Who's to Blame

Hint: It's the democrats.

22 posted on 02/06/2014 9:29:10 AM PST by DManA
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To: sheana

If whjat I’ve heard about Bakersfield is correct, you might want to add:

Too many crimes

Is that true?


23 posted on 02/06/2014 9:31:44 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: ElectionInspector

Oleander/Sunset was such a nice community. Always loved that area. When I was younger lived right at Blanche and Oleander for many years.


24 posted on 02/06/2014 9:32:38 AM PST by sheana
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To: liege

I can’t wait to retire and leave the hellish bastion of liberal communism and immorality that is Krapifornia. I am counting the days, despite still being years away.

The central valley is nothing special in and of itself. Add in the absolute insanity and oppression from the communist government, let alone the exorbitant taxation, you can have it.

Beam me up, Scotty.


25 posted on 02/06/2014 9:35:14 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: MplsSteve

http://www.kernsheriff.com/Investigations/Detective/MostWanted/Wanted/Pages/default.aspx

See any connections with 4 out of 6?


26 posted on 02/06/2014 9:35:43 AM PST by sheana
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To: Nifster

But the gulag has nice weather. /sarc


27 posted on 02/06/2014 9:36:31 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: liege

folks who want o live in Cal, I recommend the north county in San Diego. While the city is becoming more liberal, the north county is heavily influenced by Camp Pendleton and retired military and more conservative.

If you live in a no income tax state, you will have state income tax anywhere in Cal. And the legislature has turned this into a total sanctuary state. More noticeable in LA and SF.

Excellent weather. Retirees can find something clean and good community starting at 225,000 for 2 bdr/2 bth.

Disclaimer: my wife and I are RE brokers and we live in Oceanside.

Don’t know why anyone would want to live in the central valley, but to each his own.


28 posted on 02/06/2014 9:37:13 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: liege

UN Agenda 21 is working to fix that right now, to make sure you can’t move wherever you want. They want us packed into cities like San Francisco and New York.


29 posted on 02/06/2014 9:37:27 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Baynative

I heard that North Carolina is having a conservative Renaissance. Has that came to a sudden end, or are you unaware of North Carolina’s conservative boom?


30 posted on 02/06/2014 9:39:46 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: liege

I grew up in LA and am glad to be out of it. California is no place to retire, folks. There is no water there. South Carolina is real nice.


31 posted on 02/06/2014 9:46:17 AM PST by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

We have relatives who live near the coast south of Charlotte who say the make up is changing fast. They notice it because the area was majority conservative, but quiet about it. Now the transplanted liberals from New England (especially NY and PA) are pushy outspoken and politically active in many issues, especially the advancement of environmental regulation and land takings.


32 posted on 02/06/2014 9:54:33 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: olepap
I grew up in LA and am glad to be out of it. California is no place to retire, folks. There is no water there. South Carolina is real nice.

Don't understand all the posters on this thread warning / complaining about a putative lack of water in California.

Are you talking about coastline and/or water recreational resources, or potable water (for drinking and/or agricultural purposes)?

To my knowledge (after quickly leafing through a Rand McNally), California has an extensive coastline, with lots of pretty beaches and - in the south - warm bathing waters. So I guess you all mean that there is a scarcity of the latter (drinking and/or agricultural purposes).

So, are people dying of thirst, or are crops suffering from drought?

Or is it a question of water prices? Surely the cost of household water is not prohibitively high.

So what's the real problem?

Regards,

33 posted on 02/06/2014 10:13:05 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

And I notice you didn’t stay


34 posted on 02/06/2014 10:14:07 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

well played


35 posted on 02/06/2014 10:14:30 AM PST by Nifster
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To: olepap
I grew up in LA and am glad to be out of it. California is no place to retire, folks. There is no water there. South Carolina is real nice.

I also grew up in LA and am glad to be out of there.

There is water here but there are not enough dams. That can be fixed but it could get ugly. The Auburn dam comes to mind.

One nice thing about living in the center of California is that you are always a short drive from the coast (Monterrey) or the mountains (Yosemite, Mineral King). The author was making a case for retirees coming here by stressing the expansion of healthcare facilities.

36 posted on 02/06/2014 10:15:59 AM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: liege

Taxes.


37 posted on 02/06/2014 10:29:18 AM PST by kabar
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To: morphing libertarian

Wow, thanks for this info! We have been looking in Carlsbad, made an offer on a place recently in Calico Bluffs that we lost to a competing all cash offer. Very painful! Trying to find the next opportunity.

We’ve investigated various areas thoroughly and thought that for a conservative who wants good west coast weather this is the place to be. Absolutely love it there - the beach culture and landscape fits us perfectly.


38 posted on 02/06/2014 10:40:42 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: liege

Have you been to Mineral King lately?

Last time I was there it was literally a garbage dump for the lazy lefties that won’t carry their own trash out.


39 posted on 02/06/2014 10:49:12 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Aria

California is loaded with money.

Every nice piece of real estate gets gobbled up quickly.


40 posted on 02/06/2014 10:51:17 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

No. The last I heard Disney was trying to build a resort there...a long time ago. I think it got shot down by the Sierra Club?


41 posted on 02/06/2014 10:53:44 AM PST by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: editor-surveyor

One of the reasons we want to go there is that California is loaded with money.

We’re in the aviation and finance business.


42 posted on 02/06/2014 10:59:22 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Nifster

It was in 1961...


43 posted on 02/06/2014 11:33:48 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

and California (even Oakland) was a very different place then....It was indeed a nice place not only to hit land but to live as well


44 posted on 02/06/2014 1:05:35 PM PST by Nifster
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To: olepap

new water source in north san diego county
Here’s some info on desalinization

http://www.pacinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/desalination_report3.pdf

Carlsbad Cal is building a plant which is slated to open in 2016, 16 years after the proposal was approved by the city. Administrative hearings and court processes in which environmental groups got several bites of the apple trying to shoot it down.

What happens to the salt?

The desalination plant typically uses three kilograms of seawater to produce 1 kilogram of fresh water. The extracted salt dissolves in the excess sea water used in the process to form so-called brine. The brine is returned to the sea where it is diluted again in its natural medium.

Can salt be recovered?

The usual desalination processes do not provide for such recovery. Whereas they concentrate seawater 1.5 times, recovery of salt would require seawater to be concentrated ten times. Under such conditions the first crystals would appear in the brine. This would require a lot of energy and cannot be justified on an economic standpoint. Today whenever a large surface area is available close to a sunny seashore, salt pans, which make use of solar energy, are still the best method of salt production.


45 posted on 02/06/2014 1:09:23 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Nifster
My folks were stationed with the Army in Japan, 1951-1961. In those days, transportation was by ship, two weeks at sea from Yokohama to Seattle or Oakland.

We sailed in to the bay, under the Golden Gate Bridge which I had never seen. Someone said, “There's Nob Hill where the rich folks live.”

We got off the boat and took a taxi to Lane Buick and picked up a station wagon my dad had ordered and drove back to the pier.
Loaded up, we drove “home” to Iowa.

46 posted on 02/06/2014 6:23:38 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: skeeter
You have to appreciate how SJ used to be >40 years ago to still love it today.

yes... that i believe is true... i was born in 65, and my family has been there since the early 50s... i remember San Jose before malls... (i was in kindergarten when i went to our first mall)... shopping in downtown SJ was always a treat back then...

47 posted on 02/06/2014 6:53:17 PM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Gosh what a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing your memories. Coming in under the Golden Gate is a magnificent experience. so glad you had a chance to do it.


48 posted on 02/06/2014 8:12:36 PM PST by Nifster
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To: alexander_busek

This is the third year of drought in California. Very little rain and no snowpack.


49 posted on 02/06/2014 11:16:12 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Pelham
This is the third year of drought in California. Very little rain and no snowpack.

Yes, but is that relevant for retirees?

I mean, unless you are in the agricultural business, what impact does a drought have on the average Joe?

Sorry if that's a dumb question!

Regards,

50 posted on 02/07/2014 8:03:16 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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