Pat Robertson, marginalized by the MSM, suddenly becomes their voice of reason (i.e. Ken Ham)?

2/6/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Amazing!

Pat Robertson, the 2,000 leg-presser?...

The creator of the age-defying protein shake?...

He is suddenly now the go-to guy for the MSM (and their voice of reason) when it comes to Ken Ham and his debate w/Bill Nye?

Pat Robertson: Marginalized to Oracle[ized] in a flash! And in Virginia, not Delphi, of all places, too!

BTW, isn't Bill Nye one of those Anthropogenic Global Warming guys, and a believer that man is the main cause of Gorebal Warming?

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Oracle, thy name is... Pat Robertson.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

When it comes to the Age of the Earth the literal interpretation looses all credibility.

[a fool in paradise]

During the 2012 election cycle, GOP presidential contenders were asked questions in interviews and a debate or two (if I recall) for their beliefs on creation.

Why wasn’t Obama (a self-professed Christian) asked if he believes that God made the universe? Simple up and down question.

Answer, the media only uses such questions to taunt and ridicule GOP candidates. They know Obama is an atheist secular humanist and they go along with his shuck and jive for flyover country and the church going black community.

[a fool in paradise]

BTW, isn't Bill Nye one of those Anthropogenic Global Warming guys, and a believer that man is the main cause of Gorebal Warming?

Yes, his faith trumps your faith. He has "academic consensus". Who cares if there was a blacklisting of those with dissenting opinions. Man has sinned. Al Gore has come to save us all. Even if Al Gore did fail out of theological studies.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Are you absolutely certain?

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Republicans need to insist that questions such as these must be asked of Democrat candidates. Same for both, or neither for both... sides. That is how the cookie should crumble, IMHO.

[Telepathic Intruder]

..."Obama (a self-professed Christian)"

Only when backed into a corner, and forced to give an answer of "what" he is. The website of his former church (he no longer belongs to a church) stated at one time that Jesus was a poor black man opressed by rich white Jews. That describes socialism combined with racism instead. Liberation theology is in fact communism disguised as a bizarre form of Christianity. Also, his former church also contained many Muslims.

[MeshugeMikey]

Its my understanding that many of the terms form the hebrew and the greek as used in our Bible are representative of a symbolic time.

this may well be the case for the Biblical Years used in dating all things earthly.

A Day Equals One Year

The 70 week prophecy of Daniel 9:24, however, establishes a principle related to prophetic time that few completely understand. Virtually everyone acknowledges that the 70 weeks are not literally 70 weeks, but rather 70 weeks of years, or 490 years. The principle is that in Bible prophecy, you must substitute a period of a year in place of a day. This is the day=year principle. This equation is clearly established in scripture-

Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

Im certainly no expert, but I have a hint of the symbolism based on a passage where satan visits God in heaven. It doesne seem likely as satan was cast out of Heaven.

That scripture appears to be allegorical..however its makes it no less true Spiritually!

biut back to the Biblical Years...

I havent done sufficient stidy on Times in the bible to give a definitive answer . I am basing these time possibilities on other use of symbol and allegory...all Authentic. and as true as can be but not to be read in a manner as to insist that one strip the Bible of all such instances to make it true

The MARK on the forehead and hand are great examples of allegorical speech.

the mark on the forehead is as I understand it related to what and how a man thinks...

the mark on the hand..relative to that which a man does.

Thank you.

[a fool in paradise]

Jeremiah Wright’s church may have blamed Jesus’ oppression on rich Jews but he said in a sermon that it was white EYEtalians who killed Him.

[al baby]

No he is an American hating Muslim !!!!

[al baby]

Bill Nye was the the sperm donor for pajama boy

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

I can agree with you that there are many passages that aren’t to be taken literally, but rather symbolically, especially when dealing with the Book of Revelation, the Book of Daniel, certain passages elsewhere, etc.

Other books, though, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, should be taken literally.

While this isn’t all-encompassing, it does show where I stand.

[PATRIOT1876]

Ken Ham has Science and God on his side.

Bill Nye is the Socialist anti-God, anti-Science Guy.

[MeshugeMikey]

It illustrates your willingness to read the bible as it was written!

It also illustrates why we should all read the whole of the bible ..do a great deal of cross checking and contextual investigation, which you’ve made clear that you have in fact done.

If one insists on adopting a “young earth” position it would behoove one to determine what the chronological references actually were meant to state.

Micro evolution yes...Macro Evolution No Way.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Absolutely not, but it is still not the best argument on the table.

[Buckeye McFrog]

Pat Robertson has been marginalized by Pat Robertson.

As a Christian spokesman he has been saying something at least once per quarter to make me cringe since the mid-1990’s.

[afsnco]

“Yom” can admittedly mean either a day or an age. But you’ve got to remember that this word was used in conjunction with “the evening and the morning” throughout Genesis 1. Difficult to squeeze long ages within an evening and a morning. Whenever that phrase is used with the word “yom,” it ALWAYS means a solar day. The Holy Spirit even went further and used ordinal numbers (first, second, etc.) in combination with the word “yom,” and that also ALWAYS means a solar day. In this case there’s all three are combined. It’s almost like He anticipated the compromise with the world. ;)

But this idea of creation doesn’t only appear in Genesis 1. It’s literally throughout the Bible. God spoke through prophets proclaiming that that HE created everything, and men praised Him for His creation.

There’s also passages like these:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

To believe in evilution means one thinks God lied, these angels are lying, etc.

This is all so unnecessary to compromise God’s Word in this way. It’s laughably ridiculous to believe that chemicals can spring to life unaided. We know too much about how stupendously complex the most “simple” cell can be. Darwin was ignorant in that he thought “simple” cells were just blobs. We know better now.

AND there’s zero evidence for fish evolving into reptiles into birds, etc. None. Within species, sure. That’s why there are things like zorses, zeedonks, (both horse family or kind), and ligers and tigons (both cat family or kind).

Having faith in God is important, but even more critical is which God we have faith in. Having faith in the God of the Bible is what saves our souls. But if we have faith in the dual pagan gods of “time and chance,” if that’s our creator, then that’s a BIG problem. Because this is what the Holy Spirit commanded John to write:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

THAT’S the Christ we’re to have faith in: Our Creator.

As for me and my house . . .

[MeshugeMikey]

The conclusions that darwin jumped to were cearly far far larger leaps...than he could ever have imagined.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Laissez-faire capitalist. Seems like a good Digest ping.

• Evo Debate: Things Bill Nye does not know about science
• Defeating Darwin in Four Easy Steps
• Bill Nye’s Debate Nightmare
• Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (full video of last night's debate)
• The Ham-Nye Creation Debate: A Huge Missed Opportunity
• Bill Nye: Bible doesn’t tell Earth’s true history
• Watch live !!! Bill Nye, the science guy debate Ken Ham from answers in genesis.
• The Creationists Have Already Won Tonight's Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham Debate
• Ham-on-Nye debate pits atheists, creationists

earlier on FR:

• Where is the proof in pseudoscience?
• Darwin Day resolution introduced in congress (By Congressman Rush Holt of NJ)

[BroJoeK]

PATRIOT1876: "Ken Ham has Science and God on his side.
Bill Nye is the Socialist anti-God, anti-Science Guy."

You have the "science" part backward.
Ham is the anti-scientist, who wishes to redefine the word "science" to suit his particular theology.
Nye -- like it or not -- represents natural-science as we have come to know it in western civilization.