Skip to comments.Bond Hearing for Theatre Shooting Case LIVE
Posted on 02/07/2014 7:21:32 AM PST by Uncle Chip
[Live Bond Hearing -- continuation from Wednesday]
(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxtampabay.com ...
Thanks for the article. Waiting for the usual suspects to show up and get their panties in a wad.
The taped interview with Reeves after he was read his rights is being played in court now.
He says when he sat down his wife handed him a bag of popcorn and doesn’t remember what happened to it during the incident.
He says he put his left arm out in front to hold him back as he come over the seat after him, as he reached into his pocket with his right hand.
He says that he was actually sitting in front of his wife not directly in front of him — so he was at an angle.
This is very unusual for a bond hearing.
It’s like a trial with all the witnesses and objections and all the evidence is being presented.
All they need is a jury.
Tape of Mrs Reeves interview is being played now.
The Boyz-N-Blue close ranks.
And, they are rank, indeed.
She did not see Curtis hit in the face with anything as he claimed.
She doesn’t know why her husband shot him.
Neither she nor Curtis mention popcorn being thrown and she confirms that Curtis had a bag of popcorn in his hand.
Thanks for the ping.
Help me out here, I haven’t followed this, was the victim a minority?
I didn’t see anything explaining details at the link.
Nully, I will give you or bobby the pleasure of pinging Alaska wolf. I am sure he can get some pleasure doing what he does best.
Hamilton said that right after the shooting, he acted quickly to take the gun from Reeves -- who was sitting, as he'd been during the shooting -- and subdue him.
Before more authorities arrived, Reeves' wife told her husband "that was no cause to shoot anyone," according to Hamilton, the law enforcement officer who was then off-duty.
Reeves responded by pointing his finger at her and saying, according to Hamilton, "You shut your f**king mouth and don't say another word."
The off-duty corporal said that at one point, Reeves pushed back his glasses and said out loud, "Holy f**k, what have I done?"
Sounds like Reeves was aching to prove himself as more powerful than others and probably did his best work at home. His account that the other guy came over the seats at him doesn't seem to jibe with the victim's wife getting her hand in the path of the bullet.
Either way - he is criminally stupid. Carrying a weapon puts some responsibilities upon one - like not getting so passionately involved in such a petty situation and being the main ignition for it escalating into a killing. I willingly stay out of serious arguments when carrying (almost always) just because I don't want to be the one to incite a stupid incident that results in a lost life - dis me all you want; my skin is thick and I won't shoot you for it, especially before the actual movie starts....
Nicole Oulson said on the View yesterday that she did not see any popcorn thrown though two witnesses claim to have seen it.
Was that bag of popcorn they saw Curtis Reeves’??? Did he throw it just before pulling his weapon???
Both Reeves admit that Curtis had a bag of popcorn in his hand. Neither of them say anything about popcorn being thrown prior to the shooting.
pass the popcorn ping...
I imagine that were I holding a bag of popcorn when someone shot me, I'd spill or throw some of it. Maybe all of it.
This is the first time I’ve seen proof that text dude got out of his seat and turned around. That was a very aggressive move. Remember the retired cop had just returned from the lobby so his vision would not have acclimated to the dark. The vision of the elderly doesn’t acclimate as quickly as younger people. I wonder if the retired cop has cataracts or the beginnings of cataracts.
The retired cop was obviously as surprised as anyone judging from his statements and actions right after the shot. Top athletes drill on committing reactions to muscle memory. Actions are turned into habits which are stored in the basal ganglia. Cops drill the same way as athletes.
Text dude hit the suicide by cop trifecta when he jumped up, turned around and “lost” control of his popcorn. Everyone there stated the shot happened very, very fast. It was a self defense reaction based on habit.
If elderly retired cop is so trigger happy and reactionary, then he is a menace to society and should be behind bars. He killed a man in the prime of his life because he was trigger happy.
You sound like a blue uniform guy.
Curtis Reeves dropped his I-Phone during this incident — it was on the floor at his feet.
So here he is criticizing a guy for having his phone out and yet his was obviously in his hand when this event took place.
So he had a bag of popcorn in one hand and his I-Phone in the other hand. So then which hand did he use to reach into his pocket to get his weapon??
It is entirely possible from these tapes that the bag of popcorn was thrown by Reeves and blocked by Oulson so that it only appeared to witnesses as if Oulson threw it.
There goes the popcorn defense.
I’ve never been in law enforcement. Nor have any of my family. As a coincidence I was in the middle of reading a book titled, The Power of Habit when the shooting occurred.
Thanks to a man who had brain damage, scientists recently learned where habits reside in the brain. They reside where conscious thought doesn’t apply.
That’s why the retired cop didn’t do a show and tell with the gun. He was on automatic. Same happens with some veterans. You don’t want to wake them out of a deep sleep or make a sudden loud noise around them.
So then you didn't know that he had been shot in the chest???
White guy. Sorry if that disappoints.
I knew he was shot in the chest along with the bullet first passing through his wife’s hand. Prior to hearing it online, I figured that was the only way the incident made sense to trigger a self defense action. Now it seems, the wife’s hand was there to restrain her husband, not protect him. No one saw the gun until after the shot.
Well I'm sure being married to him was a real treat.
He never pulled and shot his weapon in 30 years of law enforcement -- so then how could that have been automatic???
How do you know that? It's just as likely she was trying to push him away from where the gun was pointing.
You can try and justify it all you want, Reeves shot and killed a man for no good reason. He deserves the murder charge he's had filed against him, and I don't think bail is appropriate for accused murderers.
I wonder if incidences of texting in theaters will go down?
That's not true according to her.
No one saw the gun until after the shot.
So now you are drawing conclusions before the wife gets to testify???
What makes you think that SHE did not see the gun just before it was fired??
Leaping to unwarranted conclusions can sometimes become a Power of Habit -- but it can be resisted.
There’s conflicting articles about why the bullet passed through the wife’s hand. I put that down to a journalist trying to explain why it happened. It goes right along with the report of the gun jamming which, so far, doesn’t seem to be backed up by the deputy who took the .380 and unloaded it.
What I’m seeing is people including those present and involved trying to explain in their own minds what happened. That came across in the police interview of both the retired cop and his wife. The old guy didn’t have the gun out just waiting for a chance to exercise his itchy trigger finger.
I’ve been trying to do a walk through since the incident. It’s striking that witnesses describe what happened as either in the blink of an eye, or very, very fast. Murder two requires having a depraved mind. The man’s history disproves that. At worse he’s guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
Cops are required to train with their firearms. One of the oddities about habit was cops were getting shot by the bad guys because they stopped to pick up their brass before reloading in a gun fight. Turned out that cops were always required to do that at the range. Picking up brass as housekeeping on the range became a habit which got cops killed later.
Please cite cases when cops were killed while picking up their brass.
Thanks for asking! Turns out I am wrong. It’s anecdotal at best. Here’s a link.
“The bottom line is this: there are no verifiable incidents of dead officers being found with revolver brass in their pockets after a gunfight. The next time someone tries to use this saw to prove some point about bad muscle memory, just drop some facts on them. Ask them where they heard it. Get sources, get sites. Dont let bad information go unchallenged.”
What it says is "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life..." Reeves own actions before and after the murder support that. He shot and killed a man in cold blood without justifiable circumstances. Then cooked up the self-defense story.
Well the one thing it indicates is that he was pretty much standing up on his side of the seat when the shot was fired and not climbing over the seat as the Reeves' claimed in their statement.
Hearing is also LIVE here:
^^^^THIS^^^^ is why he should be found guilty and why self defense is a no-go argument. Don't want none, don't start none.
But I also think Oulsen's bad manners contributed to his own death. Good manners are free, easy to use and can save your life.
Playing the video now —
Video is much ado about nothing — hard to tell what is going on from the video.
In my opinion, the theater surveillance video shows Reeves kicking the victim’s seat, the victim then standing up, turning around, grabbing Reeves popcorn and throwing at him. Reeves then quickly lifting his arm and shooting.
I always though in cold blood meant premeditated. The retired cop didn’t go to the movies looking for someone to kill. I haven’t read anything that convinces me that he planned to kill the text dude.
Reeves then quickly lifting his arm and shooting.
It looks like it was already in his hand and in his lap. He didn't pull it out of his pocket as he claims. It was already out of his pocket.
“cops were getting shot by the bad guys because they stopped to pick up their brass before reloading in a gunfight”. I have never heard of this happening. Please give us all a few examples where this has happened in the USA. Thanks...
See my post #33 in this thread. I was wrong. I checked and found that there is only anecdotal evidence that can not be proven.
If it had been premeditated then he'd be facing 1st degree murder. But he shot down an unarmed man without sufficient provocation. You don't get more cold-blooded than that.
Here’s what the timeline looks like from the video:
1:14:56 Reeves arrive & sit down in theatre.
1:23:26 Reeves gets up to go complain to management.
1:26:20 Reeves returns from lobby & sits down.
1:26:37 Oulson reaches over & takes Reeves popcorn & tosses it back at him.
1:26:38 Reeves quickly lifts his arm & shoots him — within one second.
Did Reeves actually reach into his pocket and pull the gun out of it as he claims OR was the gun already in his hand and on his lap when the popcorn was thrown???
If the latter then is that premeditation???
Obviously we disagree on the provocation. I agree the retired cop should not have shot the text dude. Under the circumstances based on what’s public, I still think it was justified.
Self defense is in the mind of the person facing an attack. Once the text dude got up and turned around things escalated fast. The man was reportedly 6’ 4” tall and almost thirty years younger than the retired cop. I can see where the old guy may have felt threatened. Who but the “me” generation jumps up and gets hostile over a cellphone conversation with a daycare center?
That jives with what the witnesses said. The shooting happened in a blink of an eye. It looks like the text dude jumping up and turning around triggered the defensive reaction.
The video and the prosecution are pointing out that he already had the gun in his hand — he lied when he said he drew it from his pocket.
Which means that he was going to shoot him one way or another and was just looking for an excuse.
The thrown popcorn was the excuse and yet he knows that it’s apathetic excuse and does not mention it in any of his statements to the police.
From that time until today he and his defense still insists there was a UFO — that popcorn was not the reason he fired.
If you don't think he should have done it the how can it be justified?
Self defense is in the mind of the person facing an attack. Once the text dude got up and turned around things escalated fast. The man was reportedly 6 4 tall and almost thirty years younger than the retired cop. I can see where the old guy may have felt threatened.
Feeling threatened is not justification for shooting someone. Florida's law states, "a person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the others imminent use of unlawful force." The statute goes on to say that deadly force is lawful if a person "...believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself..."
Reeves was never in dange of imminent death or great bodily harm. He was justified in throwing a punch maybe. But not in shooting an unarmed man, especially when Reeves had provoked the confrontation to begin with.