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Experts increasingly contemplate end of smoking
Associated Press ^ | Feb 9, 2014 5:53 PM EST | Mike Stobbe

Posted on 02/09/2014 11:00:46 PM PST by Olog-hai

Health officials have begun to predict the end of cigarette smoking in America.

They have long wished for a cigarette-free America, but shied away from calling for smoking rates to fall to zero or near zero by any particular year. The power of tobacco companies and popularity of their products made such a goal seem like a pipe dream.

But a confluence of changes has recently prompted public health leaders to start throwing around phrases like “endgame” and “tobacco-free generation.” Now, they talk about the slowly-declining adult smoking rate dropping to 10 percent in the next decade and to 5 percent or lower by 2050. […]

Some experts doubt it. As long as cigarettes and other combustible tobacco products are legal, it’s likely some people will smoke them. Efforts to prohibit them are likely to fail, they say. (Remember Prohibition?) …

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: cigarettes; liberalagenda; smoking; tobacco

1 posted on 02/09/2014 11:00:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

So, after smoking, what lifestyle choice kills the most people? Those who use bicycles to commute, or homosexuals? Either way, should we feel free to go after them next, once smoking has been obliterated?


2 posted on 02/09/2014 11:03:36 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Olog-hai
cigarette smoking is no longer considered normal behavior, and is now less popular among teens than marijuana.

Now there's progress for ya..

3 posted on 02/09/2014 11:04:15 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Way back when, rebels I knew used to hand-roll tobacco (and sneak a little pot into it).

Soon, I guess rebels will be hand rolling big-ass government-approved dope joints (and sneaking a little tobacco into them).

People are strange...


4 posted on 02/09/2014 11:08:59 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: D-fendr

Both are bad.


5 posted on 02/09/2014 11:09:02 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Olog-hai

Experts = Government paid phd’s who can’t hold a job in the private sector. They have an extensive vocabulary however, so they can sound and author written essays on whatever topic the government grant is paying that year.


6 posted on 02/09/2014 11:09:31 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Olog-hai

Just imagine how high other taxes will have to go to make up for the lost revenue from tobacco taxes.

It’s crazy how aggressively the government is going after those e-cigs that would help get people off smoking.


7 posted on 02/09/2014 11:09:42 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Olog-hai

Personally, I quit after smoking for over 30 years.

Stupid habit, damn near impossible to throw off (it has been described as more addicting that Heroin).

But legal.

The funny part is all that wonderful Big Tobacco revenue stream from the bogus lawsuits will dry up.

Much of that revenue stream is to support Health Services.

Some dang good irony there...


8 posted on 02/09/2014 11:11:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Nervous Tick

LOL.. you’re probably right.


9 posted on 02/09/2014 11:11:33 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Olog-hai

Everyone who’s anyone these days smokes marijuana; it’s not counted as “smoking” as long as it’s not that evil weed, tobacco.

Sure, you get the same emphysema and lung cancer, but, hey, you’re too high to care, baby.

Brave New World on the way.

Or 1984, depending on your perspective.


10 posted on 02/09/2014 11:13:13 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: D-fendr

about 20% smoke and the libtards think this is not normal.

yet 1-2% pf the population are homosexual men/women and/or other perversion, and the libtards require us to believe this is normal.

i await the shtf for the libtards reaping what they’ve sown.


11 posted on 02/09/2014 11:16:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Olog-hai

I find it funny they want to ban tobacco smoking and force kids to smoke pot.


12 posted on 02/09/2014 11:18:18 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai

The state government of California alone makes more money than any tobacco company from cigarettes. They never want to give up revenue, so how long before they want kids to smoke more.


13 posted on 02/09/2014 11:20:46 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai
Health officials
14 posted on 02/09/2014 11:22:41 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Mount Athos
It’s crazy how aggressively the government is going after those e-cigs that would help get people off smoking.

Our government stopped making sense back in the 1930s. I am frequently shocked by the stupid things that government does but never surprised.

15 posted on 02/09/2014 11:23:49 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Olog-hai
With "health" as the prime consideratuon....

Lose tax revenue to lost tobacco sales.
Legalize and support pot sales to gain it back.

No hypocrisy there, nope.

16 posted on 02/09/2014 11:25:04 PM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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To: Olog-hai

Ah, yes, cigarettes bad, marijuana good medical treatment and there are laws that prove that. /s/s/s


17 posted on 02/09/2014 11:32:38 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Mount Athos

This is one of those stories that won’t appear in the US news media, but drives home the point.

Germany made a decision about twelve years ago....when the leftist gov’t was in power....to give the Greens a hand in the health department. It was agreed upon at some point....with the budget and revenue folks in full agreement....to up the cigarette tax rate a fair amount. It would be done in two stages....both fairly hefty.

So they start phase one, and the cost factor was obvious on day one. Around nine months into this....there’s an big serious meeting called at the revenue part of the German gov’t. They’ve added up numbers and noted that there’s around half-a-billion Euro ($750 million) that is coming up short on cigarette sales that was “anticipated”. The Germans are smart enough to track stuff like this on a monthly basis....and this money ought to be there. It’s not.

Somewhere at this meeting....a second group is in attendance, and they represent the customs inspectors....who routinely pull people over to check for customs violations....in particular...near the borders of various countries around Germany.

Well...the customs guys say there’s a vast upswing in illegal massive cigarette smuggling. Housewives, students, and out-of-work folks are all getting into bulk buys and smuggling cheaper smokes into Germany.

It suddenly dawns on everyone at the meeting that this massive tax increase only months before....has triggered a reaction that no one expected.

It’s a curious thing though....the Green minister in charge of the health department of the gov’t....announces within days of this meeting that there’s a notable decrease in Germans smoking. Her numbers indicate that the last tax increase was having an effect, and she was really positive over this new trend.

The chancellor had a big meeting and the topic of the 2nd tax increase was brought up. He bluntly knocked that tax increase out, and simply suggested far and wide to advertise that the customs folks were arresting people for smuggling of smokes. He hoped that it would put fear into the hearts of citizens....and only buy German-taxed smokes.

Time has passed, and smuggling still continues at a hefty pace. No one will dare bring up another tax increase on smokes, and the government has basically lost a fair amount of tax revenue by this whole scheme.


18 posted on 02/09/2014 11:34:33 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Marcella

^5


19 posted on 02/09/2014 11:36:45 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Olog-hai

I never really have been a regular smoker, but I admit once or twice a year I really enjoy a good cigar. Love the smell of a pipe, too. My grandpa used to smoke apple-scented tobacco in his, and I loved it.

I also have tried snuff - the kind you inhale, not the chewing tobacco kind. A bit like putting a hornet up your nose, but it does clear the sinuses.

I’d rather drink toilet water than chew. My buddy let me try his Kodiak one time, and it made my lip bleed. No thanks.


20 posted on 02/09/2014 11:38:17 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is *always* intense.)
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To: Olog-hai
Maybe these nannies could work on eliminating chewing gum, as ruled in Singapore
21 posted on 02/09/2014 11:42:35 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Olog-hai

I work in a city with a large college and fervent anti-smoking laws. Cigarettes are not going away because young and rebellious people are always going to be attracted to tobacco as long as it is considered “adult” and “risky”. It’s the thrill of doing something their parents would disapprove that gets young people hooked on smoking.

The dumbest idea is banning e-cigs because it is the safest way to smoke if you must smoke and quit if you’re trying to quit but the smoking nazis hate it because it *looks* like smoking. I’ve sat at the next table while someone smoked an e-cig and couldn’t smell a thing. That never happens with tobacco smokers.

I think with each generation the percentage is going down but I don’t think you’ll ever see a tobacco-free population except by government mandate.


22 posted on 02/09/2014 11:50:37 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Olog-hai
The power of tobacco companies

Tobacco companies, so powerful that they are unable to successfully fight any legislation. They hand billions over to the feds, and through their sales, pour billions more into state coffers to use on programs to end consumption of their products. I'm sorry, but can we please end this fantasy? 'Big Tobacco' left the party nearly two decades ago.

23 posted on 02/09/2014 11:57:13 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

All Big Brothers need some halfway-convincing Emmanuel Goldstein to project their two-minute hate on.


24 posted on 02/10/2014 12:00:03 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Look forward to increased taxes to replace that tobacco cash cow. Gasoline? yep. Food? yep


25 posted on 02/10/2014 12:00:35 AM PST by Figment
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To: Secret Agent Man

Bump!


26 posted on 02/10/2014 1:10:53 AM PST by VMI70
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To: Olog-hai
cigarette smoking is no longer considered normal behavior

The smoking wars are over. Yes a few skirmishes still happen but common sense won.

27 posted on 02/10/2014 1:58:41 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

28 posted on 02/10/2014 2:13:18 AM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Olog-hai
Ah, those experts... what destruction of personal freedom won't they presume to contemplate next?

Aren't we all so privileged they were called upon to perform their grievous task?

29 posted on 02/10/2014 2:19:19 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Good point there.


30 posted on 02/10/2014 2:21:13 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Daffynition

There’s a gum chewing hating Freeper on here somewhere that would love that idea.


31 posted on 02/10/2014 3:02:24 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: blackdog
Experts = Government paid phd’s who can’t hold a job in the private sector. They have an extensive vocabulary however, so they can sound and author written essays on whatever topic the government grant is paying that year.

Please. PhD level scientists all receive the same level of education at the same universities. That some of us choose to work for government is *not* an indication that we cannot get private sector jobs. Furthermore, there is a lot of communication and interaction between government-employed and private sector-employed scientists.

Now, as to the content of this article--it just seems like wishful thinking by someone--who has an MD, not a PhD, I should point out. Wishful thinking is not scientific content.

32 posted on 02/10/2014 3:30:26 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Rationalize much ?


33 posted on 02/10/2014 3:52:44 AM PST by tomkat
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To: exDemMom

But don’t you understand, exDemMom, that it is the received wisdom on FR that anyone with considerably more education than they are necessarily ill-suited for work in the private sector?

You need to go back to the re-education camp.


34 posted on 02/10/2014 4:25:31 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: freedumb2003

I’m a smoker too who is slowly quitting after about 18 years. Smoking less and less each year since I seem to be getting, of all things, tired of cigarettes. I’ve found some substitutes that I like pretty well. It is bad for you, no doubt about it.

I think we all knew the problem 20 years ago when all of these taxes were placed on tobacco. The inevitable question being “What happens when cigs aren’t sold like they are today?” We’ll all pay more taxes “for the children.” Don’t you love it.


35 posted on 02/10/2014 5:40:18 AM PST by FAA
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To: Olog-hai

While they promote POT smoking!


36 posted on 02/10/2014 5:46:58 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Mount Athos
Still love the e-cig thing. Consider they cant make what they are illegal cause you would have to ban most foods since thats what they are made from. VG and PG are found in most medicines and Nicotine is not a illegal substance.

Most only want to stop the CO2 that is inhaled. I think we should ban outside fires and fireplaces
37 posted on 02/10/2014 5:53:39 AM PST by Baseballguy (pharaphase (If someone does not believe in heaven or hell - they should not care where they go))
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To: Olog-hai

As far as I know there have been no studies on the effect of reduced tobacco use on Federal and state taxes.

Higher and higher taxes have had an impact on tobacco use, probably as much as advertising campaigns on the health hazards of use. This follows the axiom that if you want less of something tax it to death.

However, legislators have been careful to calculate their tax schedules on tobacco so as not to kill the golden goose.

I believe most of these excise taxes are used as general funds and not for tobacco reduction so the long term effect of reducing these funds will be an enormous reduction of income for government use.

Where will the legislators look for taxpayers to replace the lost income?


38 posted on 02/10/2014 8:00:21 AM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill
The opposite in CT: $1-A-Pack Hike Brings In More Than Expected

The legislature, at the bidding of our emperor gov, has said they are considering a *tax-free* week liquor sales.....many Nutmeggers go to neighbor [no-tax] states for their booze, as it is.

Politicos have been whining that revenues from cigs, booze, the home building slump, and gambling are way down to the state coffers:

**Contributions to the state fell in tandem with the lower revenues, since the casinos give a quarter of their slot revenue to the state. Foxwoods sent $9.8 million to the state's special revenue fund, while Mohegan Sun sent $11.4 million.**
Hartford in the near future...


39 posted on 02/10/2014 8:41:39 AM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Olog-hai

Question: If you’re successful at killing off smoking, who is going to be liable for all those taxes the smokers used to pay? Taxpayers? Bingo!


40 posted on 02/10/2014 11:32:15 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: wildbill

Well, there’s also a cigarette “black market” of sorts, where people in high-tax areas buy from states with far lower tobacco taxes, often from “smugglers”. This happens around the world too, especially in Europe. It’s so prevalent that it’s even been nicknamed “buttlegging” (in spite of the sexual overtones) . . .


41 posted on 02/10/2014 11:52:17 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Daffynition

CT’s spike in taxes will go down once people discover illicit cigarettes.


42 posted on 02/10/2014 11:53:19 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Daffynition
Every single state that has raised its cigarette tax rate has subsequently received more tax revenue than they would have received without a rate increase, despite the fact that cigarette tax increases reduce state smoking levels and despite any related increases in cigarette smuggling or tax evasion," according to a report on the organization's website — http://www.tobaccofreekids.org. "Put simply, the increased tax per pack brings in more new state revenue than is lost from the related reductions in the number of packs sold and taxed in the state."

WORD.

43 posted on 02/10/2014 3:59:52 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

**cigarette smuggling or tax evasion**

My new occupation. Word. ;)


44 posted on 02/10/2014 6:01:22 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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