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These Are the Entirely Crappy Warships Iran Says Itís Sending to the U.S. Coast
War is Boring ^ | February 9, 2014 | By David Axe

Posted on 02/10/2014 12:43:31 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

A senior admiral of the Iranian navy said on Feb. 8 that Tehran is sending two warships near American waters in retaliation for U.S. naval deployments around Iran.

“Iran’s military fleet is approaching the United States’ maritime borders, and this move has a message,” Adm. Afshin Rezayee Haddad told Iranian state media, according to U.S. news reports.

Haddad called the deployment “Iran’s response to Washington’s beefed up naval presence in the Persian Gulf.”

Never mind that the U.S. Navy has actually reduced its forces in the Persian Gulf. Today the Navy has just one nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the USS Harry S. Truman, in the Gulf along with the amphibious assault ship Boxer. Two years ago the Americans had two carriers near Iran, but budget cuts ended that that practice.

They’re pretty crappy ships by anybody’s standards. Sabalan is a British-built Vosper Mk. V frigate launched in 1969, making her 45 years old today. Displacing just 1,500 tons—around 15 percent the weight of the U.S. Navy’s Arleigh Burke-class destroyers—Sabalan has a crew of around 125 and is armed with four anti-ship missiles and some guns. A far cry from the 100 or so missiles that most American surface warships carry. . .

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1 posted on 02/10/2014 12:43:31 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The new sequel to “300” shows what happened the last time the Persians sent their fleet to hassle the West.


2 posted on 02/10/2014 12:46:07 PM PST by Argus
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The real danger will be US Navy watch standers falling off the deck laughing.


3 posted on 02/10/2014 12:46:12 PM PST by AU72
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Iran has test fired a sea-launched ballistic missile, according to classified U.S. intelligence reports, which could be used in a devastating stealth attack against the United States or Israel for which the United States has no known or planned defense.

The reports, which are well known to the White House but have not been disseminated to the appropriate Congressional committees, detailed the test-firing by Iran of a short-range surface-to-surface missile last spring from a barge in the Caspian Sea

http://www.iran.org/tib/krt/wt990505.htm

The Iranians can just pull up a barge off the east coast and light off an EMP device, since about 1999.


4 posted on 02/10/2014 12:46:18 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a pedophile and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; Bender2

Much like the fabled “Trojan Horse”, it’s not the outside, but what is inside that counts.


5 posted on 02/10/2014 12:47:29 PM PST by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

They’d have better luck using cruise ships, with food poisoning their weapon of choice.


6 posted on 02/10/2014 12:47:45 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: Argus

A nation like Iran would only consider something like this b/c we have a weak sniveling boy in the WH surrounded by advisers of lesser character and stature then himself.


7 posted on 02/10/2014 12:48:54 PM PST by 556x45
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I don’t care what they look like. If they come anywhere near America, blow them out of the water.


8 posted on 02/10/2014 12:49:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

All it really needs is one nuke and one Scud capable of elevating it to effective EMP altitude.


9 posted on 02/10/2014 12:49:16 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Maybe they would like to test their surface to surface missile intercept capability...Fish or cut bait you jagoffs...


10 posted on 02/10/2014 12:50:34 PM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Brad from Tennessee
And how were they planning to resupply these ships?

Port call will be interesting as well. "Welcome to San Francisco, Achmed. Here are your tickets to the Folsom Street Fair. Say hello to the goat for me."

11 posted on 02/10/2014 12:51:11 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The article mocks the destroyer for being 45 years old. How old are the B-52s?


12 posted on 02/10/2014 12:51:21 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I think EMP’s have to be at altitude to do their major damage.


13 posted on 02/10/2014 12:51:41 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The Iranian navy will give Iran a precious 15 minutes of protection!!!
14 posted on 02/10/2014 12:53:10 PM PST by ontap
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To: Billthedrill; Bender2
And how were they planning to resupply these ships?

How were they planning on landing those airplanes on 9/11?
15 posted on 02/10/2014 12:55:33 PM PST by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: areukiddingme1

Maybe they’ll deploy dirty bombs or something?


16 posted on 02/10/2014 12:56:00 PM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Iran's Terrifying Turquoise Submarine!


17 posted on 02/10/2014 12:56:15 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: AppyPappy

How much altitude?

How much of an incident before we get Martial Law declared?


18 posted on 02/10/2014 12:56:26 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: steve86

Old enough to wreak havoc on most targets....not so much the wore out destroyers. B-52 have the substructure to updated at will. Destroyers will eventually face the ire of constant salt water usage!!


19 posted on 02/10/2014 12:56:46 PM PST by ontap
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To: 556x45

Agreed. We need a Themistocles, and we have an Alfred E. Newman.


20 posted on 02/10/2014 12:56:54 PM PST by Argus
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To: Brad from Tennessee
And her companion on the supposed trip to American waters, the tanker Kharg, is no more impressive. Built by the British in 1977 and displacing 33,000 tons, Kharg is by far Iran’s biggest warship and its only large tanker. Armed with guns, she can support three helicopters, making her the closest think Iran has to an aircraft carrier.

But forget the copters. Kharg’s real utility is her ability to refuel and resupply smaller ships such as Sabalan. It’s doubtful the 29th Flotilla will make it very far across the Atlantic, but whatever distance it does achieve will be thanks to Kharg’s supplies.

It’s for that reason that Kharg with her 250 sailors is among Iran’s busiest warships. In 2010, I sailed with the destroyer USS Donald Cook on a counter-piracy patrol in the Gulf of Aden. One quiet evening we ran into Kharg in international waters, presumably accompanying a destroyer or frigate that was somewhere over the horizon.

It would be a shame if it sank mysteriously.

21 posted on 02/10/2014 12:57:04 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It would be a shame if something were to “happen” to either ship while in transit.
Real shame.
*tsk tsk*
/ mock sincerity


22 posted on 02/10/2014 12:57:05 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

This idea of theirs to send these rust buckets is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder if there is more to it................?


23 posted on 02/10/2014 12:57:11 PM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Kharg looks like on of those mass-production WW2 tankers.


24 posted on 02/10/2014 12:57:30 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: steve86
How old are the B-52s?

They were formed in 1976 or so.


25 posted on 02/10/2014 12:58:12 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Well, the game probably isn’t worth the candle but I’m sure the Coast Guard will enjoy the practice.


26 posted on 02/10/2014 12:58:29 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: ryan71

Like a suicide mission of some sort?


27 posted on 02/10/2014 12:58:35 PM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This move by Iran’s navy has two audiences. First, the people of Iran and second, the Islamic world are targeted in that order. They could care less what we say.


28 posted on 02/10/2014 12:59:04 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: All

Anyone know anything about salvage rights?


29 posted on 02/10/2014 12:59:14 PM PST by DocJhn
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To: ryan71

Something like The Mouse That Roared?


30 posted on 02/10/2014 12:59:43 PM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: ryan71

Of course there’s more to it.
On both sides of the Atlantic.
Look at how John Kerry and Obama have been bending over backwards for Iran.


31 posted on 02/10/2014 1:00:01 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Re:
http://www.iran.org/tib/krt/wt990505.htm The Iranians can just pull up a barge off the east coast and light off an EMP device, since about 1999.
...or simply pass off the device directly or indirectly while at open sea to another vessel for later deployment.
32 posted on 02/10/2014 1:02:30 PM PST by wtd
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To: steve86
B52 is pretty long in tooth but is still the world's premier strategic bomber and a damn fascinating piece of military history.
The BUF will still be on duty and flying when the Harry S. Truman is taken to the scrappers.
If memory still serves me, the BUF is projected to still be on active duty in 2053. The will be 100 years and counting.
33 posted on 02/10/2014 1:03:05 PM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: smoothsailing
Iran's Terrifying Turquoise Submarine!

All together now...

"We will fight in a turquoise submarine, a turquoise submarine, a turquoise submarine..."

34 posted on 02/10/2014 1:04:28 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Considering Iran’s threats of attacking New York and their capabilities of producing nuclear material, I’d take the threat seriously. If they get to close, sink ‘em! Next?


35 posted on 02/10/2014 1:05:14 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: JimSEA

And China seeing just how far Iran can push it.


36 posted on 02/10/2014 1:05:48 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"the logistics ship Kharg, which Iranian media persists in calling a “helicopter carrier.”"

Does that mean a helicopter is carrying it? ;-)
37 posted on 02/10/2014 1:06:44 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

A couple of nukes detonated about 140 miles above DC would wipe out its electrical for five to seven years.

We don’t have the industrial capacity to replace the generators and transformers anymore.

They aren’t stupid. Assuming they are is a mistake.

They better have a cracker jack missile defense system in place over the Eastern Seaboard.


38 posted on 02/10/2014 1:06:45 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Brad from Tennessee

We can laugh all we want.

It wouldn’t be so funny if one of these crappy little ships had a decent missile and nuclear warhead hidden in the hold.


39 posted on 02/10/2014 1:06:55 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: smoothsailing

Turquoise = Camouflage.

Everybody knows that. This way another sub won’t see them in the water.

(sarcasm)


40 posted on 02/10/2014 1:07:26 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“All it really needs is one nuke and one Scud capable of elevating it to effective EMP altitude.”

A Saturday night special is a poor firearm. But plenty of people have been killed by them. You can only laugh at the enemy after you have killed him. To do so before is hubris.


41 posted on 02/10/2014 1:08:10 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Jim Robinson
I don’t care what they look like. If they come anywhere near America, blow them out of the water. have a gay themed tinker tape parade and put them all on the welfare rolls.
42 posted on 02/10/2014 1:08:12 PM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

They’re sending two so they can take turn towing eachother back to port.


43 posted on 02/10/2014 1:09:09 PM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: wtd
...or simply pass off the device directly or indirectly while at open sea to another vessel for later deployment.

I think that's the real danger. We have far more to fear from merchant ships in U.S. harbors than from this current diversionary tactic.

44 posted on 02/10/2014 1:10:11 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: AppyPappy

There’s a couple classes of EMP - HEMP and SREMP.

HEMP is the classic high altitude EMP - the one that excites the ions/gamma rays in the miles-high atmosphere and really cooks things off over a wide line-of-sight area.

SREMP is Source Regional EMP which an area -effects EMP; from a few city block to a ‘metro’ area. SREMPS are direct effect, meaning the EMF they produce does the damage.

Won’t get into E1, E2 and E3, but only HEMP has all three. SREMP only two.

Both are bad news for those affected.


45 posted on 02/10/2014 1:11:41 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Oil burners for sure.


46 posted on 02/10/2014 1:12:11 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Argus

HA!!!

Muzzy’s don’t float


47 posted on 02/10/2014 1:13:12 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Sadly it takes two missiles to defeat the defense.

First explosion blinds the defense. Second one does the damage.


48 posted on 02/10/2014 1:14:03 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: smoothsailing

We all live in a turquoise submarine....a turquoise submarine


49 posted on 02/10/2014 1:14:11 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Knowing Muslims...how much explosive can they pack into that ship? What if they detonate it near a US warship?


50 posted on 02/10/2014 1:14:11 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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