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Word For The Day, Wednesday, February 12, 2014-- copper-bottomed

Posted on 02/12/2014 5:20:28 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree

Word For The Day, Wednesday, February 12, 2014-- copper-bottomed

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In order that we might all raise the level of discourse and expand our language abilities, here is the daily post of "Word for the Day".

copper-bottomed

adjective

reliable, esp financially reliable, genuine, trustworthy

Origin: (from The Phrase Finder)

If you come across something that is copper-bottomed these days, it is most likely to be a saucepan. In the 18th century, it would have been a ship. It is unusual for an idiomatic phrase to have such a literal derivation as this. 'Copper-bottomed' described ships that were fitted with copper plating on the underside of their hulls. The process was first used on ships of the British Navy in 1761 to defend their wooden planking against attack by Teredo worms a.k.a. Shipworms (actually a type of bivalve clam) and to reduce infestations by barnacles.

The method was successful in protecting ships' timbers and in increasing speed and manoeuvrability and soon became widely used. This piece from The London Magazine, March 1781, records the introduction of its use on all the ships of the Royal Navy:

Admiral Keppel made a remark upon copper bottomed ships. He said they gave additional strength to the navy and he reproached Lord Sandwich with having refused to sheath only a few ships with copper at his request, when he had since ordered the whole navy to be sheathed.

John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, may have been otherwise occupied. He is said to have once spent twenty-four hours at the gaming-table without refreshment other than some cold beef placed between slices of toast - hence giving name to the sandwich.

Before long, 'copper-bottomed' began to be used figuratively to refer to anything that was certain and trustworthy. Washington Irving, in his work Salmagundi, 1807, included this line:

"The copper-bottomed angel at Messrs. Paff's in Broadway."

It wasn't all plain sailing. Pay attention at the back, here's the science bit:

Copper and iron, when immersed in a suitable electrolytic fluid, like fruit juice or, at a pinch, seawater, form an electrochemical couple and the arrangement becomes a serviceable galvanic battery. Over time, the iron is eaten away to nothing by the electrochemical action. That wasn't good news for mariners who fixed their boat's copper plates using iron nails - the iron eroded and the plates went to visit Davy Jones. Copper nails were the answer and soon afterwards ships began to be described not only as copper-bottomed but also copper-fastened. Such technically top-of-the-range ships were well thought of; an example is found in the 9th July 1796 edition of The Hull Advertiser:

She is copper-fastened and copper-bottomed, and a remarkable fine ship.

The expression 'copper-fastened' was and is used quite infrequently and is often wrongly taken to be a simple misstating of 'copper-bottomed'. Its meaning is similar but with the emphasis on security and lack of any ambiguity, rather than of certainty and trustworthiness. It had to wait longer to be taken into metaphorical use - until the 20th century in fact. An example of such is to be found in The Evening Independent, November 1948:

We had some striking examples of what happens when a guy gets so big for his britches that any pal of his is automatically a copper-fastened genius.

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The United States was the copper-bottomed leader of the financial world for the better part of a century, and the phrase “As sound as a dollar” was understood by all to mean that our currency was the standard for the world. Of course, that was before Obama took office.
1 posted on 02/12/2014 5:20:28 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: xsmommy; secret garden; VRWCmember; Slip18; SoothingDave; Texan5; NicknamedBob; ...

I am leaving the cold weather here in Texas and heading to the even more frigid climes of New Jersey. So get that homework in before I head to the airport at 11 a.m. central time.


2 posted on 02/12/2014 5:24:33 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
There were copper bottom tympani in horse platoons
Thundering, thundering all along the way.
Double bell euphoniums and big bassoons,
Each bassoon having it's big, fat say!

--Lyrical excerpt from Meredith Wilson's "Seventy-six Trombones" Read more: Soundtrack Artists - Seventy-six Trombones Lyrics | MetroLyrics

3 posted on 02/12/2014 5:29:56 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Maceman
A+++

gold

Sounds like a big parade. Nice work!

4 posted on 02/12/2014 5:43:35 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Under the Obama Regime, the copper-bottomed Ship of State entrusted to us by our forebears has become nothing more than a rat-infested galley; and its once proud, free citizens mere subjects.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 02/12/2014 5:48:17 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Not exactly topical, but here's how they would have to clean the bottoms of ships back in the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Careening. A much more frequent event prior to copper-bottoms.

When a copper-bottomed ship REALLY got going out in a great breeze, the ship would often be so keeled over in the effort that her copper would show on the high (windward) side.

6 posted on 02/12/2014 5:52:47 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: ConorMacNessa
A+++

silver

Outstanding work!

7 posted on 02/12/2014 5:59:51 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Oh, you gonna take me home tonight?
Oh, down beside the red firelight
Oh, you gonna let it all hang out
Copper-bottomed girls, you make the rocking world go round!


8 posted on 02/12/2014 6:03:17 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
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bronze

Interesting link about careening.

9 posted on 02/12/2014 6:05:18 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: SoothingDave
A+

Copper-bottomed girls

Sounds painful.

10 posted on 02/12/2014 6:09:06 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree; tioga

safe travel truthy, you will be back in time for the next CATASTROPHIC storm! xsteen en route to NYC via amtrak, coming back tonight and xshub due in tonight from Dallas, hope that he beats the snow. Friday we have to make the trek to SU no matter what, for senior night at the 6:30 pm hockey game. by hook or by crook!


11 posted on 02/12/2014 6:10:15 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; TruthShallSetYouFree
guessing it wasn't copper-bottomed. and the song i hate most in life!
12 posted on 02/12/2014 6:12:01 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
My God - never saw that video before. Between her launch, and the footage of the wreck discovered, and the faces and names of the 29 - i'm all goosebumped and teary-eyed. Damn.

And just for the record, the one way a copper bottom could have helped is if it kept growth from taking hold of the hull, spoiling her hydrodynamics and slowing her down. Then she may have had the speed to make the 15 miles to Whitefish Bay, which the searchers generally agree would have saved her. This assumes she was a wood-bottomed ship in the first place however.....

13 posted on 02/12/2014 6:25:54 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: xsmommy

And he is not amused.

14 posted on 02/12/2014 6:26:19 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: xsmommy

If you get stuck between home and Syracuse, you are welcome at CasaTruthy in northern NJ.


15 posted on 02/12/2014 6:29:31 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: xsmommy

A+++ and dittoes on hating the song.


16 posted on 02/12/2014 6:30:41 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: SoothingDave; Hegewisch Dupa
Second most hated.

THird most hated.

17 posted on 02/12/2014 6:32:28 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree; tioga

Thanks Truthy! prob would need to shelter in place somewhere around Scranton or Wilkes_barre though. That ungodly stretch of 81 between Harrisburg and B’hamton is DEATH.


18 posted on 02/12/2014 6:33:46 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

makes me want to open my veins.


19 posted on 02/12/2014 6:34:25 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

did you see the alternate version I sent XS a few days ago?


20 posted on 02/12/2014 6:37:49 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: xsmommy

I saw what they were - and I couldn’t listen. The BeeGees one because I just about had as much tragic death music as I can take at one time, and Cat’s In The Cradle because, yeah, it is too damn depressing.


21 posted on 02/12/2014 6:39:35 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree; SoothingDave

but the polishing might be fun


22 posted on 02/12/2014 6:40:43 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

That was awesome!


23 posted on 02/12/2014 6:41:38 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: xsmommy

Can’t say I have ever heard the Bee Gee’s one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJM7TdshUbw&feature=kp

This one always annoys me with its plodding monotony.

Not that monotonous lyrics have to be bad. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCmkZFMSuFQ&feature=kp


24 posted on 02/12/2014 6:44:21 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

was never a Yes fan, they are a bit whiny.


25 posted on 02/12/2014 6:50:26 AM PST by xsmommy
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Lead Botom
26 posted on 02/12/2014 6:51:54 AM PST by csvset
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

No, didn’t see it.


27 posted on 02/12/2014 6:54:54 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Maybe this version will be more palatable.
28 posted on 02/12/2014 6:56:30 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: csvset

A++
Nice obscure McHale’s Navy reference.


29 posted on 02/12/2014 6:59:32 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Tim Hawkins is very funny. Thanks.


30 posted on 02/12/2014 7:12:29 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

What a fascinating thread! I’m sorry to be so late this AM.


31 posted on 02/12/2014 7:17:59 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Spaghetti sauce will clean copper to the hue of a bright new penny!


32 posted on 02/12/2014 7:19:18 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thanks. Nice to see you.


33 posted on 02/12/2014 7:22:51 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

FAscinates me that someone even thought of trying that.....


34 posted on 02/12/2014 7:24:29 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Safe travels...


35 posted on 02/12/2014 7:25:13 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thanks. So far I have managed to be a day ahead or a day behind each storm.


36 posted on 02/12/2014 7:28:42 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

that was perfect.


37 posted on 02/12/2014 7:29:45 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

This odd bit of knowledge comes from my early days learning to cook in my MIL’s house! She was dying of cancer, but she also expected that her Revere Ware pots be kept polished. When the sauce boiled over, it made streaks on the already polished copper that no copper polish could duplicate.


38 posted on 02/12/2014 7:32:25 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

By accident. How else would you discover that your dessert topping also makes a great floor wax?


39 posted on 02/12/2014 8:03:53 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

See, I always assumed it was vice-versa with the makers of Shimmer....but that may just be my childhood of brotherly antagonism and gags talking...


40 posted on 02/12/2014 8:15:41 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

I never had any brothers.


41 posted on 02/12/2014 8:17:10 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Aye! A But then again, but even our pennies were copper-bottomed, copper-fastened, and copper-middled back when our dollar was as “sound as a dollar”

Light icing so far here in Atlanta .... Lots and lots of news hype. Worse further south though.


42 posted on 02/12/2014 8:19:31 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

A+++
Stay warm.


43 posted on 02/12/2014 8:25:31 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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To: SoothingDave; xsmommy

Second oldest of five boys, four girls.


44 posted on 02/12/2014 8:32:09 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SoothingDave

brothers are a pain in the @$$ ; )


45 posted on 02/12/2014 8:38:44 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: SoothingDave

Hah! When I saw the WFTD, I had a mental picture of a photoshopped Michelle Antoinette with a copper saucepan on her butt...


46 posted on 02/12/2014 9:00:12 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Have a nice trip!

Copper-bottomed health care
Promised in two campaigns
Won Obama those elections,
But such a mess remains

Of websites and sign-ups
And insurance at low cost
Many think they signed up-
And millions of others lost

The coverage they paid for
And were pleased with when
Obama trashed it with no clue
Of how to put it right again...


47 posted on 02/12/2014 9:15:41 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

What a nice offer Truthy -


48 posted on 02/12/2014 9:22:59 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: xsmommy; SoothingDave

It is actually above freezing-39-and sunshine for the first time in days-it must be a heat wave...

One of the hated songs-Cats in the Cradle-I also dislike-but about 15 years ago, a parody of it was e-mailed to my compadre and boss and I at work-it went, in part-have you ever wondered when you eat Chinese, is it really chicken, or a fat Siamese? Oh, the cats in the kettle at the Shanghai Moon, etc. It had everyone laughing...


49 posted on 02/12/2014 9:27:41 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

A+++
Really nice work.
I’m at DFW, through security in a breeze.
Thanks for the good wishes.


50 posted on 02/12/2014 10:54:46 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (lib-pocrisy: requiring photo ID at march protesting photo IDs for voters.)
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