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Random Thought - How to tell if it is a Religion or a Cult ~ Vanity
02/13/2014 | GraceG

Posted on 02/13/2014 7:14:06 PM PST by GraceG

So I was involved in a philosophical discussion with a friend and the subject came up where they wondered what is the difference between a Religion and a Cult.

Thinking about it I came up with a easy way to tell the difference between the two.

Here it is: A Religion that doesn't let a member of it become an apostate of that Religion without any sort of harassment, injury or death is by definition not a Religion but is indeed a Cult. Also if the Religion in question forces or coerces a member of the family to distance them selves from other member who are not believers, it is also a Cult.

So basically to be a Religion one must:

1. Be able to leave it without any sort of harassment. 2. Should not force you to leave or distance yourself from your non-believer family members


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Am I missing anything here? Wondering if any Freeper has any better feedback.
1 posted on 02/13/2014 7:14:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG
What you cited is true. If it is a cult that claims to be Christian, they will say "Oh yes, of course you need Jesus........BUT you need Jesus AND {Fill In The blank}. Run away from these people.
2 posted on 02/13/2014 7:18:47 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: GraceG

So if I claimed to be God, and found a bunch of nitwits that believed me and did not harass any of them when leaving or forced them to separate or distance themselves from their families I am not a cult leader?

I think you need to refine your definition.


3 posted on 02/13/2014 7:19:17 PM PST by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: GraceG

for later


4 posted on 02/13/2014 7:19:36 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: GraceG

I have always heard it like this.

Cults are offshoots of a religion. While SECTS and DENOMINATIONS hold to core tenets of a religion, but may be very alien in terms of doctrine, CULTS are almost the opposite. Despite doctrinal similarities, they reject the core tenets of a religion.

Christian cults often have the rejection of the Trinity as their marker.


5 posted on 02/13/2014 7:23:18 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: GraceG
Consider Islam - the penalty for apostasy is death.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

6 posted on 02/13/2014 7:23:44 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Fzob

[ So if I claimed to be God, and found a bunch of nitwits that believed me and did not harass any of them when leaving or forced them to separate or distance themselves from their families I am not a cult leader?

I think you need to refine your definition. ]

Come up with #3 and add it to the list!


7 posted on 02/13/2014 7:23:45 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

If my daughter wanted to leave our faith to become a burqa wearing follower of another faith, I think she’d might get a bit of harassment from me.


8 posted on 02/13/2014 7:24:28 PM PST by MNDude
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To: ConorMacNessa

[ Consider Islam - the penalty for apostasy is death. ]

That is why it is a cult!


9 posted on 02/13/2014 7:24:44 PM PST by GraceG
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To: MNDude

[ If my daughter wanted to leave our faith to become a burqa wearing follower of another faith, I think she’d might get a bit of harassment from me. ]

It would be you as her father and not the church itself that would be harassing her, therefore you are not in a cult.


10 posted on 02/13/2014 7:25:30 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Cults are held together on more of a tribal or pack basis whereas religions contain more of a spiritual element. Tribal instincts are not spiritual at all, they’re crude and sort of animalistic in nature.


11 posted on 02/13/2014 7:26:25 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: GraceG
A cult used to be a small group that was committed to one out of a pantheon of deities rather then spreading the worship around. The Cult of Isis, the Cult of Dionysus are examples.

Then it became a group that did not follow the "orthodox" beliefs of whatever religion was predominate in that area.

Now I would say your definition works pretty well for common usage.

12 posted on 02/13/2014 7:27:13 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: GraceG
We addressed this in an apologetics course. The number one red flag: openness and transparency. In everything, to include:

history theology leadership finances

Orthodox Christianity is an open book. Anyone can look at the data. Anyone can inquire and make a challenge. No one has "secret knowledge" or authority beyond checks and balances provided for in Scripture: no one can "Lord over the church".

13 posted on 02/13/2014 7:28:42 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: GraceG
Indeed - yet there are many other of their core tenets that also qualify them for that classification.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

14 posted on 02/13/2014 7:29:17 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: GraceG

So,,the Amish are a cult?


15 posted on 02/13/2014 7:31:38 PM PST by Craftmore
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To: GraceG
RULE OF THUMB: Whatever I no like is a cult!


16 posted on 02/13/2014 7:33:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: GraceG

If the members speak a different language or have a dress code that’s much different than the norm,it’s a cult.

If the belief system includes ideas that defy conventional logic,like a space ship is going to pick up all the true believers-it’s a cult.


17 posted on 02/13/2014 7:33:46 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: GraceG

http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=Webster%27s&word=cult&use1913=on&use1828=on


18 posted on 02/13/2014 7:35:49 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: GraceG

Simple and excellent criteria. I commend you - for years so many have struggled so much to define what is and what isn’t a cult.

BUT, at the same time, many groups and denominational churches have some of these characteristics......you are warmly welcomed when you come, but criticized and condemned when you leave.

Yes, true saints will love you and treat you the same coming or going - unless things were as in Romans 16:17, 18, and I Timothy 1:19, 20.

I know a man who recently told his investment advisors to who he had committed much of his fortune that he was leaving them. Instead of protesting, or trying to keep him, they were very gracious and understanding, wishing him the best and supporting him regardless. The CEO of the investment firm later mentioned to me that he had once attended a seminar on how important it was for an investment advisor to treat a client graciously when he/she left for another firm.

I immediately thought of how this should be applied in the local church.

If they bad-mouth and criticize those who leave - it has cultic tendencies at least........


19 posted on 02/13/2014 7:37:58 PM PST by Arlis
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To: GraceG

I would go a bit further and say that if the “religion” tells you that you will always be a follower of it, whether you like it or not, it is a cult.


20 posted on 02/13/2014 7:38:15 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Craftmore

Good catch. A cult is centered on an individual. Its members look to the leader for all guidance. A cult is inward looking and centered on a single leader. Like Obama, cult leader. All truth comes from the leader. The cult exists to support the leader.


21 posted on 02/13/2014 7:38:27 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: GraceG
1. Be able to leave it without any sort of harassment. 2. Should not force you to leave or distance yourself from your non-believer family members

Very Good Grace, Brevity is the Soul of Wit.

Which Means Islam is OUT!

22 posted on 02/13/2014 7:39:45 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: GraceG

There is no difference. The question of whether an adherent of a particular faith is free to apostatize from their former beliefs changes with time and place.


23 posted on 02/13/2014 7:41:03 PM PST by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: GraceG

If it requires you to try to be good enough for God, it is a cult.


24 posted on 02/13/2014 7:46:11 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: WXRGina

ping


25 posted on 02/13/2014 7:54:34 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: GraceG

I think it is all about control. A cult demands full control over your behavior, your associations and even your thoughts.


26 posted on 02/13/2014 7:59:07 PM PST by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: GraceG

“Also if the Religion in question forces or coerces a member of the family to distance them selves from other member who are not believers, it is also a Cult.”

The Amish would disagree with you. They would claim that shunning is an acceptable form of being cast out from the community.

Your other point is spot on


27 posted on 02/13/2014 8:00:39 PM PST by Nifster
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To: firebrand

“I would go a bit further and say that if the “religion” tells you that you will always be a follower of it, whether you like it or not, it is a cult.”

Based on that definition, Christianity is a cult because once you are born-again by an act of the Holy Spirit you are a Christian for eternity.

“And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.”
(Philippians 1:6)


28 posted on 02/13/2014 8:14:04 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: GraceG

The major Christian denominations consider a group a cult if they have changed the nature of God or the nature of salvation.

Thus Mormons are a cult because they think God is one of many Gods, and that God was a man who was promoted to Godhood in an infinite chain of men promoted to Gods, and they think Jesus is a different separate God from God the Father. They’ve also changed the message of salvation dramatically.

Likewise, Jehovah Witnesses are considered a cult because they believe Jesus was not God but just a man. And the salvation message they preach requires more than trust in Jesus.


29 posted on 02/13/2014 10:13:54 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN; reaganaut; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; Zakeet

I sometimes wonder if Mormonism apologists even realize that in Hebrew it takes three for use of the plural ... in English two or more is a plural. In Genesis, when God is speaking with Himself, He must be a three as one, at least, in order to be named in the plural. Ol Joe’s Jewish teacher doesn’t seem to have explained that one to Joe! Talk about setting a fool up for a fall ...


30 posted on 02/13/2014 10:26:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Viennacon

The problem with your definition is that a cult is an offshoot of a religion, is that all religions therefore started as cults. Christianity could be thought of as a cult of Judiasm. Protestantism could be thought of as cult of Catholicism. Latter-Day Saints (Mormons, of which I am one) did not break off from another church, so it could not be considered a cult according to your definition.

Also, as a believer that Christ is the literal spiritual and physical Son of the Eternal Father (Almighty God) as opposed to Trinitarian view where Almighty God, Christ and the Holy are locked in a three-way personality disorder, I do not believe that Trinitarian acceptance is required for Christian belief.

Trinitarianism was coerced in 325 ((Nicea), and settled by state execution by Emperor Tehodosius (edict of thesolonica).

Since Christianity pre-dates trinitarisanism , by your definition, trinitarianism would be a cult of Christianity.


31 posted on 02/13/2014 10:30:53 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: Fzob; GraceG

You indicate that you do not take your own made-up religion seriously. I think your imaginary philosphy *could* be considered a religion.

I’ve thought about this myself and basically came to the same conclusion as GraceG did.

People use the word “cult” to insult groups that they don’t support, but I think it must have a much narrower meaning.

For example: people call AA a “cult” but that is silly. One can come or go as one pleases, clearly that is not a cult.


32 posted on 02/14/2014 3:27:23 AM PST by jocon307
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To: GraceG

Cults generally have one “supreme leader” who is not to be questioned.


33 posted on 02/14/2014 4:45:23 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: GraceG
How to tell if it is a Religion or a Cult ~

Well...


 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



34 posted on 02/14/2014 4:54:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GraceG; restornu
Am I missing anything here?

Yes...

Lots!!

HR>

This is only discussing the LEAVING part; and not the CONTROLLING part while you are trapped in it.

35 posted on 02/14/2014 4:56:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GraceG
It would be you as her father and not the church itself that would be harassing her, therefore you are not in a cult.

Did you mean SHE?

36 posted on 02/14/2014 4:57:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Craftmore

Nope


37 posted on 02/14/2014 4:58:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Farmer Dean
If the members speak a different language or have a dress code that’s much different than the norm,it’s a cult.

Like German Nazarenes?

38 posted on 02/14/2014 4:59:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Louis Foxwell; restornu; teppe
A cult is centered on an individual. Its members look to the leader for all guidance.

HMMMmmm...




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

39 posted on 02/14/2014 5:00:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If it requires you to try to be good enough for God, it is a cult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0


(about 85% of all MORMONs are not worthy enough to enter one of the temples their money paid for.)

40 posted on 02/14/2014 5:03:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rbbeachkid
A cult demands full control over your behavior, your associations and even your thoughts.

HMMMmmm...


The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

41 posted on 02/14/2014 5:04:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yep. Nailed it.


42 posted on 02/14/2014 5:04:37 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: .45 Long Colt
...Christianity is a cult because once you are born-again by an act of the Holy Spirit you are a Christian for eternity.

Oh??

HEBREWS 6:6

If they shall fall away, to renue them againe vnto repentance: seeing they crucifie to themselues the Sonne of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

43 posted on 02/14/2014 5:06:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yep. Neither Christianity nor Judaism accept the belief that one must be good enough to be acceptable to God. Faith and obedience are the requirements for salvation, not perfection.


44 posted on 02/14/2014 5:07:32 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: teppe
Trinitarianism was coerced in 325 ((Nicea), and settled by state execution by Emperor Tehodosius (edict of thesolonica).


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

45 posted on 02/14/2014 5:07:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jocon307
People use the word “cult” to insult groups that they don’t support, but I think it must have a much narrower meaning.

I just HATE when stuff like that is exposed!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

46 posted on 02/14/2014 5:09:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Those who fall away were never saved.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” (1 John 2:19)


47 posted on 02/14/2014 5:10:04 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Elsie

I went to catholic boarding school. I must have been in a cult. LOL.

Here, you forgot these.

Use the church’s domain for your e-mail address.

E-mail your family once a week and let them know how it’s going.


48 posted on 02/14/2014 5:10:05 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: .45 Long Colt

The cult of contempt is the most dangerous of all.


49 posted on 02/14/2014 5:12:49 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Elsie; restornu; teppe; Grig; Normandy
(about 85% of all MORMONs are not worthy enough to enter one of the temples their money paid for.)

I'm sure that these folks we find posting on FR are ALL 'worthy'; right guys??



 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

50 posted on 02/14/2014 5:12:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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