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The UNTOLD SUCCESS of Microsoft: Yes, it's Windows 7
The Register ^ | 13 February 2014 | Neil McAllister

Posted on 02/14/2014 10:53:20 AM PST by ShadowAce

Microsoft claims it has now sold more than 200 million Windows 8 licenses, in the first update to public sales claims it has offered since last May.

Speaking at the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference in San Francisco on Thursday, Microsoft executive VP of marketing Tami Reller described the sales growth as "pretty stunning," although she added that Redmond has more work yet to do.

When Reller last spoke on Windows 8 sales, she said that Microsoft had sold 100 million licenses in the product's first six months of availability, which she said was on par with the sales figures for Windows 7.

But that was nine months ago, and the fact that only another 100 million licenses have moved since then indicates that sales of Windows 8 have indeed slowed, as many analysts have suspected.

Not that Microsoft's earlier sales claim meant there were 100 million people running Windows 8 on their PCs. A good chunk of those licenses were sold to hardware OEMs for use on devices that hadn't even been built yet, let alone shipped.

Back-of-napkin estimates suggest that the actual number of Windows 8 devices in use is about 40 per cent lower than the number of licenses Microsoft claims to have sold.

Reller made no comparison to Windows 7 sales in her Thursday comments, either, and with good reason. Microsoft managed to sell 240 million licenses for that OS in its first year – 20 per cent more than the number of Windows 8 licenses that have shipped at the 16-month mark.

Much of the blame for Windows 8's slower growth can be placed on the downturn in the PC market. And yet Windows 8 was designed to work on more types of devices than Windows 7 was – most notably tablets, which are reportedly selling like hotcakes.

In the past, Microsoft has tried to argue that if Windows 8 tablets weren't moving as fast as their Android and iOS cousins, it was the hardware makers' own fault. Industry insiders told The Reg that the software giant scolded OEMs for not building enough high-end tablets and Ultrabooks to show off Windows 8's features.

Redmond now seems to have reconsidered that stance, however. Reller told the audience at the Goldman Sachs conference that "right sizing" Windows so that it can run on devices with more modest specs is one of Microsoft's top objectives.

Another is getting more software written for Windows 8, she said.

"Bringing developers onto the platform, getting apps into the store, it couldn't possibly be a higher priority," Reller explained. "The number one priority of our developer team is to really get those apps populated."

Even given those efforts, however, it will likely be a long time before Windows 8's market share surpasses that of earlier versions. According to current figures from Net Applications, Windows 7 still commands more than 47 per cent of the desktop OS market, compared to Windows 8's roughly 11 per cent.

And nearly a third of all PCs are reportedly still running Windows XP, even though Microsoft plans to end support for that version in April. If those customers have held out this long, convincing them to upgrade to Windows 8 – and not Android, iOS, OS X, Linux, or even Windows 7 – will be a tall order. ®


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1 posted on 02/14/2014 10:53:20 AM PST by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Still Thinking; ...

2 posted on 02/14/2014 10:53:37 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

8 sucks big time. Wouldn’t have it if it wasn’t on a new laptop.


3 posted on 02/14/2014 10:55:16 AM PST by zek157
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To: ShadowAce

Bleh.


4 posted on 02/14/2014 10:55:22 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: ShadowAce

I’d.put the blame on a shitty user interface causing slow growth. No compelling reason to upgrade.


5 posted on 02/14/2014 10:55:33 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: zek157

So change it out.


6 posted on 02/14/2014 10:55:44 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I just had 2 computers built with Win 7 on them and another computer refurbished and Win 7 installed instead of XP.


7 posted on 02/14/2014 10:57:45 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ShadowAce

Windows 8 is windows 7 with improvements. Get classic shell for free to make it look like win 7.

Anyone who can use windows can use win 8.


8 posted on 02/14/2014 10:59:17 AM PST by quimby
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
I don't think there is any reason to upgrade from windows 7, but since I avoid the tiles page it is almost the same as 7 in day to day usage. I know there is no start button but I have a shortcut to "this pc" on my taskbar so can find anything pretty easily.

Yes, it came on a new laptop but has fit in well.

9 posted on 02/14/2014 10:59:20 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: ShadowAce

I am so damned sick and tired of operating system companies and other oft-used applications infiltrating other program companies with add-ons into their updates with superfluous sh!t I don’t want.

Adobe always wants to load Google Chrome and other google cap that screws up one-clip pullup of other progams. Each time I forget and let it load updates, I have to go back to MS to find a scrub/erase ap to get rid of it.

Frankly, what I could give a sh!t less about is some human factors/programming weenie in Seattle/Palo Alto/San Francisco sipping on a MochaChocoLotta $20 cup of frappaqueero coffee while working on his new ‘usabilty’ improvement interface about what I obviously need.

Once I’ve learned it, I don’t need more confusion and Facebook, Twitter or other needless crap; I just want to do what I do with something I know and am comfortable with.

How frigging hard is this to understand? Geez....


10 posted on 02/14/2014 11:02:31 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Abby4116

The start button was added back in 8.1, which is a free upgrade. anyone using windows 8 should be using 8.1


11 posted on 02/14/2014 11:03:04 AM PST by Scutter
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To: ShadowAce
Microsoft claims it has now sold more than 200 million Windows 8 licenses

Which represents 199.9 million new hardware devices which came with Win8 preinstalled, with no other option offered to the consumer.

12 posted on 02/14/2014 11:03:14 AM PST by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: ShadowAce

The difference is, Windows 7 was a slightly improved version of XP which was itself very good, and it didn’t suck.


13 posted on 02/14/2014 11:06:18 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Scutter

I have 8.1 - installed in back when it was offered in October (I think) - but no start button.


14 posted on 02/14/2014 11:09:52 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Scutter

After I wrote last reply, I checked what happens when I click on the 4 panes in the corner of the taskbar where the start button always was. It takes me to the tile screen, says START, and then goes to the installed “apps”. I guess that is always what a start button always did but didn’t seem the same.


15 posted on 02/14/2014 11:12:33 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: ShadowAce
Press the Windows key, type the name of the program you want to run, press enter. It’s really not rocket science…
16 posted on 02/14/2014 11:14:19 AM PST by cartan
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To: cartan

Heck, I used win98 until stuff quit working.

I’ll do the same with XP.


17 posted on 02/14/2014 11:27:34 AM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My 6 yeard old laptop has Vista Home Pro...it’s slowly dying.

I will keep it till it dies.


18 posted on 02/14/2014 11:39:45 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: ShadowAce
"Microsoft claims it has now sold more than 200 million Windows 8 licenses"

I HATE how they boast about such things when they release a new POS Operating System. I'd bet a small fraction of those "sold licenses" were by customers actually wanting to run that OS. It just comes pre-installed by the PC manufacturers(like having new cars with completely undesirable tires), and I'm sure a vast majority of end users even know what an operating system is, let alone knowing another one such as Linux can be installed. I bought a new HP Laptop for my wife, and it had a Windows 8 license with downgrade(their words lol) rights to have it pre-installed with Win7 Professional, so technically I "purchased" a Windows 8 license, and it will never EVER run on that Laptop. Had it not been for the option of having it come with Win7, I wouldn't have bought it. If given an informed choice, I'm certain that your average end user would be much much more satisfied and comfrotable with one of the 'mainstream' Linux operating systems over Windows 8.

Windows 8 has to be at least part of the reason PC sales are in the toilet. The OEMs would be FAR better served to not be joined at the hip with Microsoft!

19 posted on 02/14/2014 11:40:15 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ShadowAce

“Microsoft claims it has now sold more than 200 million Windows 8 licenses”

Very very few people would purchase Win 8 if it wasn’t on an OEM device.


20 posted on 02/14/2014 11:41:35 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Abby4116

I have to right click the “start” button. Left clicking just takes me to the metro screen.


21 posted on 02/14/2014 11:43:13 AM PST by liege (America 180)
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To: ShadowAce

I had a crummy Dell Inspiron 531 w Windows Vista, run by an AMD processor w 3 gigs of RAM. For some reason that was one of the fastest computers I’ve ever had. Getting around on it, even w Aero, was just zippy. Never experienced the supposed nightmares of Vista (after a few tweaks, of course).

My newer computer, w Win 7, has been a bit more of a pain to tame. Much more “power”, but less zippy.


22 posted on 02/14/2014 11:51:13 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: ShadowAce

I like Windows 7, Windows XP and even Windows Vista.
I do not like the Windows for homos and metrosexuals that they sell as Windows 8.
I have tried it on several machines and it couldn’t suck more.


23 posted on 02/14/2014 12:16:59 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Keep your important files on a flash drive for easy transport to a new system. My home Vista died suddenly in December. The motherboard went. But the Techs who built me the new Win 7 desk top were able to capture all of my files — lots of family pictures, Christmas card address list, etc. They can’t always do that, but I was lucky.


24 posted on 02/14/2014 12:31:05 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bigbob

But XP will no longer receive upgrades and tech support in a couple of months. I just replaced my Win 98 computer in shipping with my old XP, upgraded to Win 7 and scrubbed of all its data. It’s a lot faster and (hopefully) stable.

I’m still using a Win98 laptop for payroll. I have to figure out a solution there because my payroll software is no longer supported.

Except for payroll, we are operating on a 100% Win 7 platform now.


25 posted on 02/14/2014 12:37:03 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m planning on it.

Looking for the right device(s) to save stuff to.

Not sure how to save old emails from Outlook.
Whenever I do get a new ‘puter, I want to forego saving and transferring EVERYTHING from the old laptop to the new desktop(to avoid the bugs and IE crap on it now).


26 posted on 02/14/2014 12:39:09 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: ShadowAce

I know a number of people who have converted from Windows 8 to Windows 7. Version 8 may be better but for the average Joe it is easier to use 7.


27 posted on 02/14/2014 12:55:07 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: quimby
Windows 8 is windows 7 with improvements?

Windows 8 is enhanced Windows 7!

28 posted on 02/14/2014 1:03:41 PM PST by hamboy
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To: ShadowAce

Yes I love 7. I hardly miss XP.


29 posted on 02/14/2014 1:15:30 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: ShadowAce

Another dark secret is OEM sellers install Windows 7 on machines, and ship those machines with Windows 8 discs, and Microsoft calls them Windows 8 sales. So their sales are waaay less than what they claim.

Looking forward to Windows 9, which is supposed to fix all the idiocy of Windows 8, making it more like Windows 7.

In reality Windows 8 is just Windows Me all over again.


30 posted on 02/14/2014 1:36:49 PM PST by afsnco
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To: Gaffer

Good Rant ! !
31 posted on 02/14/2014 1:50:45 PM PST by tomkat
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To: TurboZamboni
Find this and back it up to a thumb, etc:

C: \ Users \ yer user name \ AppData \ Local \ Microsoft \Outlook \ Outlook.pst

If you use Outlook's Calendar, search for *.ics and save the result/s likewise.

On new or upgraded system, reinstall Office, then < File / Import / Import from another program or file / Personal Folder File (.pst) >

32 posted on 02/14/2014 2:02:48 PM PST by tomkat
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To: quimby
Yep, running Windows 8 w/Classic Shell using the Windows 7 Start Button and booting right to desktop.

It's funny, the overwhelming number of people who bitch about Windows 8 "sucking" never looked at or tried it -- they're just repeating what their ignorant friends are saying or what they're reading on the chat boards.

I'll be the first to say Microsoft screwed the pooch big time mixing user interface metaphor's, however it's easy to get Windows 8 to boot to desktop and look/feel like Windows 7 -- only much, much faster.

I wouldn't go back to that slow-ass Windows 7 if you paid me.

33 posted on 02/14/2014 2:08:16 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ps; TurboZamboni
Some helpful info here, w/ pics for clarity:

Where is My PST File and How Can I Move It Somewhere Else?

34 posted on 02/14/2014 2:12:10 PM PST by tomkat
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To: tomkat

thanks for the info.

I wish there were a transfer program that said what was what in plain english instead of trying to dicipher what it is and if I truly need it.


35 posted on 02/14/2014 2:44:45 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: ShadowAce

Not to mention if people purchased Win8 devices and “upgraded” to Win7


36 posted on 02/14/2014 3:21:31 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Well, my #32 above was based on the assumption that you'll be reinstalling MS Office on a new machine.

Following that procedure will import your Inbox & subfolders, Sent stuff, Contact list/s, etc, etc .. iow, all your old Outlook stuff to your new machine.

You can also check out MS's Windows Easy Transfer.

But even that will basically clone your current setup to the new box.
Unfortunately, at least in my experience, there's no good/easy/fast way to cull out junk you don't want transferred other than by nuking it on a per file/app basis prior to running Easy Transfer.

If you're feeling hinky about it and/or have important stuff you can't afford to have hosed up, it might be worth spending a few $ to have a reputable local tech do it for you.

But even then, backing up your current drive beforehand (or at minimum all your 'my' stuff) to some flavor of external media is good insurance against that awful sinking 'omg it's gone !' experience.

37 posted on 02/14/2014 3:27:27 PM PST by tomkat
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m quite pleased after moving all my boxes from XP to Win8. Use Classic Shell or Start8 to boot directly to desktop and it’s just like XP or 7 but more robust.


38 posted on 02/14/2014 3:45:18 PM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: ShadowAce

Why do manufacturers inflict the bad versions of windows on their customers? Why wouldn’t they continue to sell XP (when Vista was obviously a train wreck) or sell Win7 instead of Win8 now?


39 posted on 02/14/2014 3:56:44 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: liege
Thank you. Not quite the same as our old one but it's a start for microsoft :)
40 posted on 02/14/2014 5:01:10 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My beloved XP desktop is in the shop for a much-needed exorcism. (Damn viruses!) I’m forced to use my laptop with Vista which originally I despised. Now I’m getting some warm fuzzies about Vista after using DH’s system with Windows 8. So many features simply do not “work” on it; so frustrating!


41 posted on 02/14/2014 5:07:38 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Sloth
Which represents 199.9 million new hardware devices which came with Win8 preinstalled, with no other option offered to the consumer.

I just ordered a brand new computer and chose 8.1 on purpose. I did indeed have a choice to stay with 7.

42 posted on 02/14/2014 5:22:24 PM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: Abby4116

You’re just a registry hack or two away from having it.


43 posted on 02/14/2014 7:00:49 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You might try compatibility mode in windows 7. I’ve gotten some win 98 programs to run by having windows 7 run in in a win 98 special compatibility environment. You try to install the software and it will say that it is imcompatible...but it will ask you if you want windows to try differing compatibility modes or you can specify win 98 compatibility. It might work for you.


44 posted on 02/14/2014 7:10:00 PM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: usconservative

I’ve got a Windows 8 computer. I loaded Classic Shell and did some research on the internet to find out how to automatically log on without typing in my password every time I start my home computer. Windows 8, with modifications, is bearable.

So...why should I need to do that crap? Windows 7 already works fine for me, without modifications. In what sense did MS not take a good interface and make it worse?

As for slow ass Windows 7: many of us don’t do games. For surfing the Internet, typing reports or reviewing documents, 7 is more than fast enough.

Would it really have been that hard for MS to figure out than a lot of folks were HAPPY with XP & 7, and to at least give them a choice on initial startup on which interface they wanted? They could even have a section in the start menu - and getting rid of that was REALLY stupid - that allowed those who wanted no start button to choose THAT as an option.


45 posted on 02/14/2014 7:11:31 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers
So...why should I need to do that crap?

You don't. Learn the interface. That's your alternative.

Windows 7 already works fine for me, without modifications.

Then keep using it, no one's stopping you or forcing you to change.

In what sense did MS not take a good interface and make it worse?

No one's arguing that point.

As for slow ass Windows 7: many of us don’t do games. For surfing the Internet, typing reports or reviewing documents, 7 is more than fast enough.

Then keep using it, no one's forcing you to change, Windows 7 is still fully supported by MS. I simply pointed out that Windows 8 is MUCH faster and MUCH more efficient in its use of resources than Windows 7. I've benchmarked both, as have other online reputable websites which have confirmed my own findings. For me and how I use my computer, that speed and efficient use of resources is important. Not just for gaming, also for Virtualization, home automation, and some of the amateur radio programs I run to control my equipment as well as other tasks I use my computer for.

Unlike others on here who've never looked at it or tried Windows 8 for themselves who sit on here and whine all day that their FIFTEEN YEAR OLD OS is going unsupported, the rest of the world has moved on to Windows 7 or Windows 8. (Some have moved on to Ubuntu or Linux Mint too, fine OS' in their own right which I also use.) Every time I read about someone complaining about Windows 8's UI as being the reason they won't upgrade I have to laugh. They're either woefully ignorant of the options that are out there to either modify Windows 8 quickly and easily to make it look like Windows 7 or even XP! or they're simply unwilling to change under any circumstance.

Windows XP has become the Model-T of Operating Systems. It's fifteen years old (or older, for those of us that ran the Beta..) and requires constant patching because of its security holes. How long must Microsoft keep patching a 15 year old OS? That's like forcing Ford, GM, etc.. to warranty their drive trains for 15 years and perform all repairs free of charge. Simply ridiculous.

Would it really have been that hard for MS to figure out than a lot of folks were HAPPY with XP & 7, and to at least give them a choice on initial startup on which interface they wanted? They could even have a section in the start menu - and getting rid of that was REALLY stupid - that allowed those who wanted no start button to choose THAT as an option.

Not a point I think alot of folks are arguing. I was among the first on FR to post about MS making a huge mistake mixing and matching UI metaphors and eliminating the Start Button from the Desktop. Microsoft however thinks "One interface across all devices" is a key to their ongoing success. Personally I think that's a stupid direction -- trying to make a desktop look/act like a tablet. If I'm on my desktop I'm doing WORK. I don't want to take my hands off my keyboard to touch a computer screen to perform an action. That's just silly, and it makes a mess of my computer screen.

Alternatively, if I'm on my tablet (iOS, Droid or MS) I want the interface to be touch centric without having to use an onscreen or separate/bluetooth keyboard as input. Since NONE of the tablets (iOS, Droid or MS) eliminate the need to type input (try sending email on one without using the onscreen keyboard....) my tablets are limited to consuming content or doing workflow based approvals for my job. Fine for viewing and pressing an "approve" button, not fine for composing emails beyond a sentence or two, tops.

In closing, I think there's a reason Apple kept its desktop and tablet OS' separate - they knew the limitations of the two different OS' and the use cases for both. Microsoft clearly hasn't learned that lesson.

I suspect they'll figure it out in Windows 9.

46 posted on 02/15/2014 5:06:07 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Mr Rogers
For surfing the Internet, typing reports or reviewing documents, 7 is more than fast enough.

One last comment specific to the above: I know a fair number of folks who moved to Ubuntu or Linux Mint (more "Mint" than Ubuntu because of the similarity to the XP interface.)

They installed Linux Mint along with Libre Office and are able to easily work and communicate with others who use the MS Office Suite and MS Office document formats.

Linux Mint installs easily, I'd say easier than Windows XP. It's quite fast, efficient in resources and a good FREE alternative to Windows XP.

My mother and father in law had Windows XP on their computer. I changed them over to Linux Mint and installed Remote Desktop on it so I could support them as they live 350 miles away.

I've not had a single complaint or question from them since moving them to Linux Mint. They're both in their mid 70's. I spent less than 30 minutes when they were here showing them how to start up, shut down and do the basic tasks like you've outlined above. They took to it quite easily and again, not a single complaint or question since.

I figure if my mid 70 year old in-laws can do it, ANYONE can. Keep in mind, their first experience with computers was when they moved away some 15 years ago in their early 60's.

IMO there's just no excuse for people to get on here and whine about a fifteen year old OS finally being sunset and having to change - even just a little. I point to my in-laws as to why there's no excuse. If they can do it ... and they did quite easily ... anyone can.

47 posted on 02/15/2014 5:16:04 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Scutter

8.1 plus Classic Shell (FOSS) gives you an interface that is familiar but allows you to move back and forth to Metro. Once you have the ability to quickly navigate back to something you understand, trying Metro is not so intimidating. I got my SO an new laptop for Christmas on which I installed Classic Shell. After just a little instruction, she seems happy and has yet to call me and tell me her computer is possessed. So, in short, I am no MS fanboy (Linux for me!), but from what I have seen 8.1 plus Classic Shell is not that bad.


48 posted on 02/15/2014 5:17:05 AM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: usconservative

“Then keep using it, no one’s stopping you or forcing you to change.”

Hmmmm...there are not a huge number of cheap computers for sale with Windows 7.

I’ve been using computers since the days of punch cards. Why shouldn’t a major company give customers the option of whatever interface they like best - which, I’ll admit, is NOT punchcards?

“I’ve not had a single complaint or question from them since moving them to Linux Mint. “

I might try it, but it won’t change the ‘sales’ for MS since MS sales are based on sales of new computers. There just hasn’t been a big rush of people wanting to upgrade from 7 to 8, or from XP to 8.

It reminds me of razor blades. Gillette has been pushing more and more blades/cartridge, at greater and greater expense, to justify buying their patented ‘system’ - although a Gillette Atra with cartridges that cost under 20 cents each gives a better shave. But Gillette has an advertising budget, and the truth does not...


49 posted on 02/15/2014 7:38:38 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers
Yeah, I remember punch cards and numbering my cards too in case I dropped them. Sounds like we have similar backgrounds. Have you considered building your own computer? There are still plenty of Windows 7 OEM DVD's out on the market at relatively cheap prices.

I've been building my own computers for years now. (Since @ 1988.) You can typically build a much higher quality computer for much less than buying one "off the shelf."

It takes a little knowledge and reading component specifications to make sure the parts you buy are compatible, from there putting together a modern computer is pretty darn simple. Always helps if you have a friend who can help you through your first build as I did. After that, once you know how to spec out your system and put it together it's a breeze.

I built the computer I'm using right now from components I selected myself. If I told you what it was and what it cost me to build it myself you'd likely be surprised. Systems that are similar to mine sell for several hundreds of dollars more than I paid to build it myself.

Between building the computer (putting the parts together) and installing the OS took me about 90 minutes. I used to be able to do it much faster however old age, arthritis and failing eyesight (need cheaters!) slows one down a bit.

BTW: I won't argue the "uptake" on Windows 8 compared to Windows XP or Windows 7. Yep, Microsoft is heavily relying on bundling the OS with New PC's to drive their numbers up. That's part of covering up their mistake, changing their Desktop OS to look like an XBox. You'll get no argument from me there!

Best Regards
USC

50 posted on 02/15/2014 12:20:28 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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