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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 7, FEBRUARY 14, 2014
Free Republic | Feb. 14, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 02/14/2014 12:27:30 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

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Happy Valentine's Day from Missouri. Grey skies here and hanging in right at freezing today. We are supposed to warm up to the 40's. If it does, I'll be checking on the outdoor winter garden under cover.

It was warmer yesterday, and we had lots of melting. The winter rye is still green with a little brown on the tips. The indoor lemon tree has lemons the size of ping pong balls. The basil is doing well, and the tomato is doing pretty well, except it's a little more spindley than I would like.

Hope everyone is doing well. Stay warm, and safe. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 02/14/2014 12:27:30 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; billhilly; Alkhin; ...

Pinging the list.


2 posted on 02/14/2014 12:30:13 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The obligatory rebel tobacco picture. Porch shown for reference. The tobacco has been harvested from bottom, so it's short some leaves from previous photos.

/johnny

3 posted on 02/14/2014 12:32:13 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

I just turned on the grow lights, and low and behold there are 2 tomatoes about the size of peas on the tomato plant-just when I had thought I wouldn’t see that for at least another month.LOL


4 posted on 02/14/2014 12:38:25 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s still a pretty nice looking plant even minus the bottom leaves.


5 posted on 02/14/2014 12:39:38 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Our baby tomatoes are four- 4 1/2 inches tall.
Peppers slightly behind.
6 posted on 02/14/2014 12:49:50 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper

We still have mailboxes covered with snow around here. Stop with all the pretty pictures. It makes me sad!


7 posted on 02/14/2014 12:50:32 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I had to ditch the long pants for shorts today when I layered on my shredded leaf and grass mulch on the tobacco plot. In the foreground is my experiment with growing potatoes in cages.

We'll still get some freezing weather before stuff goes out in the big garden.

/johnny

8 posted on 02/14/2014 12:57:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Chew ?


9 posted on 02/14/2014 12:59:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I cure it to make cigarettes.

/johnny

10 posted on 02/14/2014 1:05:10 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Akkk !
11 posted on 02/14/2014 1:06:04 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
No chemicals, no taxes. I've got 180 tobacco plants up and ready to go into the garden after Easter.

/johnny

12 posted on 02/14/2014 1:07:11 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Quit in March, 1986.
The company I was working for bought me a new Chevy Caprice. I couldn’t bare to smoke in it so I quit.


13 posted on 02/14/2014 1:08:53 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic; JRandomFreeper

NO WAY! All plant pictures welcome and wanted.

I find the pictures cheer me up.

Just stare at them, and use your imagination to wallow in sunlight, and spring smells. Use your mind to overcome sad.LOL


14 posted on 02/14/2014 1:09:07 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; afraidfortherepublic; JRandomFreeper

Oh, I was just kidding! The only thing about the snow — if I think about it too long I start worrying about what lies underneath and will I be able to get the yard in shape before it flies again!


15 posted on 02/14/2014 1:13:42 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I am blessed with a long growing season. I can actually get two crops of some things in over the space of a year. I'll have spring tomatoes, and fall tomatoes.

Down side is that in July-August, it's hotter'n hades here.

/johnny

16 posted on 02/14/2014 1:15:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

After double checking my notes, I won’t be starting anything for transplant until the end of March. If the weather warms up, I might sow some red clover outdoors to turn under this spring.

I probably need to make a new bed for potatoes, as I want to increase the number planted this year.


17 posted on 02/14/2014 1:16:38 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve forgotten — are you in the Hill Country? When I moved to TX from CA in 1972 it took us all almost a year before we could stand to work in the yard, it was so hot and humid. After nearly 10 years, I’d finally gotten used to it. We were in the Houston area.


18 posted on 02/14/2014 1:19:17 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
No, I'm near DFW, on the sane side of the Trinity River.

/johnny

19 posted on 02/14/2014 1:20:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I know! I have decided to quit worrying. Like the song: Don’t worry, be happy.LOL


20 posted on 02/14/2014 1:20:47 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; All
It is 74 degrees with sunshine in the garden. I moved tomato, onions, cucumber plants into the greenhouse yesterday. They are so large now, I could put them in their final large pots but cold weather is bound to happen a time or maybe two times more, so I'm keeping them in the larger pots where I put them when they outgrew small paper cups. Need to repot celery into one of that size pot now and put it out there. I'll do that before today is over.

I wonder if those reading this, plan to do something pertaining to gardening one day and end up you don't do it, then it's hanging over your head until you force yourself to do it. If I put a deadline on myself, I will get it done. See, I meant to do celery yesterday and didn't, but now I've told all of you I'll do it before today is over. Now, you are forcing me to do it or I lied. :o)

21 posted on 02/14/2014 1:21:39 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper

That’s our hottest months too, though we don’t measure up on the heat and drought scale that Texas has-Thank goodness.


22 posted on 02/14/2014 1:22:13 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Well, yes there’s a bit of that (guilt). However, part of me resists such. After all it’s my schedule, and I can delay it or not do it at all. That’s part of the beauty of it.

For years, my job had deadlines all day long that I had to meet. Now, most deadlines are of my own choosing, and if I choose to relax instead, then that’s ok. Don’t need any self - imposed stress.

So, sometimes I just enjoy the procrastination!


23 posted on 02/14/2014 1:27:33 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

There you go !


24 posted on 02/14/2014 1:45:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You'll have to provide the captions and let folks know what these are.

25 posted on 02/14/2014 1:50:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Eric's pictures.

/johnny

26 posted on 02/14/2014 1:51:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

This looks cold, Eric.

/johnny

27 posted on 02/14/2014 1:54:27 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Trying to decide which type of concrete block rocket stove I want to build near my garden. I have so many tree limbs fall every year I might as well have a dedicated limb burner. The Beech trees still haven’t dropped their leaves yet. I think I will put it near the garden and help serve as a block for the deer raids. I hate to put up fencing because part of it is in flowers most of the year.


28 posted on 02/14/2014 2:07:31 PM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is a healthy plant, johnny. Is that lemon grass behind the tobacco?


29 posted on 02/14/2014 2:16:17 PM PST by tillacum
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To: JRandomFreeper

OH, I forgot. Are carrot leave edible?


30 posted on 02/14/2014 2:17:07 PM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum
That's the lemon grass. I've got 8 pots to go out after Easter. I don't know about carrot greens. I've never eaten them.

/johnny

31 posted on 02/14/2014 2:20:22 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tillacum

Carrot leaves are considered edible, and they are nutritious. However, they are bitter, and some people are allergic to them.


32 posted on 02/14/2014 2:26:13 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: OftheOhio

I would like to have a concrete or brick rocket stove next to my BBQ patio, so I could use it instead of the charcoal BBQ grill when I want to cook quickly outdoors.


33 posted on 02/14/2014 2:30:11 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

WoW! That’s one fast growing plant!


34 posted on 02/14/2014 2:47:06 PM PST by Sarajevo (Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: "Does this taste funny to you?")
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To: greeneyes

OK, it’s 91° off of the back porch right now. Last Tuesday, we had freezing temps. Crazy Texas weather!


35 posted on 02/14/2014 2:48:24 PM PST by Sarajevo (Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: "Does this taste funny to you?")
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To: greeneyes

Speaking of Valentines Day here is a story from Ca.

Backyard farming may be undergoing a revival, but it’s an idea as old as time. When Myrna and Earl Fincher married 53 years ago, they say, they became small farmers out of necessity—being between jobs and expecting a child.

http://www.treehugger.com/sustainable-agriculture/backyard-farmers-out-necessity-53-years-they-show-no-signs-stopping-video.html


36 posted on 02/14/2014 2:48:31 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes

It’s pushing 80 today and the 10 day forecast says it’s going to be in the 70s and sunny. But that just means trees will be budding out only to be hit with more freezes. I could do with some snow because we’re still in “extreme” drought.

Got the last of the pepper seeds potted up and a couple more extras of other stuff just in case. The cold inside the house the last couple weeks hasn’t helped with germination so reseeded several pots. It may be that some circuit board has blown on the A/C heater but we’ll probably need a whole new unit.

FYI, Miracle-Gro has changed their seed starter formula. Last year it was Nitrogen 0.05%, Phosphate 0.01%, Potash 0.05%. This year it is Nitrogen 0.03%, Phosphate 0.03%, Potash 0.03%. Don’t know how that may or may not affect the seedlings. I did decide the potting soil top “growth” was something with the fertilizer in it so (knock on wood) mixed it with the last bag of seed starter soil so probably too much nitrogen. Oh, well. If that doesn’t work, they’ll have to deal with plain dirt.


37 posted on 02/14/2014 2:53:20 PM PST by bgill
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To: greeneyes

Happy Valentine’s Day, to one & all!

Finally getting into mid 40s for a few days; lots of icky brown crud replacing the white sky puke. ;-’)

The cat grass is beyond all reason! In a week, it was 6+ inches tall, and 2 cats can’t keep up with it; not even when one eats it until she pukes. It is is a 2 pound coffee can, with seed starter mix & Miracle Grow: lots of root room; enough weight they haven’t bee able to upset it or drag it around.

On the true gardening front, got tomato & oriental cabbage seeds ordered last night, from Botanical Interests:

Tomato Bush Glacier Seeds

Tomato Pole Speckled Roman Organic Seeds

Tomato Pole Red Siberian HEIRLOOM Seeds

Tomato Cherry Red & Yellow Pear Blend Organic HEIRLOOM Seeds

Tomato Pole San Marzano Organic HEIRLOOM Seeds

Cabbage Chinese Michihili HEIRLOOM Seeds

Cabbage Chinese Qingdao 65 Seeds

Starting to run low on canned tomatoes & sauce, so this year going to try to resupply. We plant one or two LARGE amounts of something different each year, to put up a 3 or 4 year supply, in addition to the regular year or so worth of the rest of the veggies.


38 posted on 02/14/2014 3:01:13 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...

The celery is in a larger pot - done.

I checked outside and the Walking Onions are still green, didn’t do anything to them during the cold weather.

Great! I see teeny, tiny, spots on all three Blackberry “sticks” where new growth is about to happen so I didn’t kill the sticks during winter - I did cover them every time it was going to be below freezing. These are second year sticks so I hope I’ll get some blackberries.

I have some questions:
QUESTION: I was going to plant Sabre tomato seeds sent to me by MomWithHope plus a small number of them I bought from a website, in MID-AUGUST so they could be fall tomatoes. If you have grown these tomatoes, am I okay putting the seeds under the grow lap until they can be planted outside which might be by the middle of September? Is that okay for Sabre tomatoes? Remember, I don’t get cold weather until at least mid October and it can easily be longer.

QUESTION: I bought the Sabre seeds from Amishland Heirloom Seeds. She sent me a gift of Red Icicle Tomato seeds and I can’t find it on her website. There were no planting directions in this small packet. Have any of you planted Red Icicle Tomatoes? She did put a note on them that they look like Sabres. If you know about Red Icicle, please tell me what you know.

I am going to plant Burpee’s Long Keeper tomato seed in August as when picked, they store for six to eight weeks and the plants are also indeterminate.

QUESTION: I have a package of “Sea Magic”, dry soluble seaweed extract. Have any of you used this to help fertilize your plants? You put it in water and water the plants. If you have used this, let me know what you thought about its effectiveness, whether it is worth using or not.

Tomorrow, I will plant Supremo Cucumber seeds, Sun Kind Broccoli seed, and National Pickling Cucumber seed.

Around March 1, will plant:
Tromboncino Squash
On Deck Sweet Corn
Masterpiece Pea, Snowbird Pea, Peas In A Pot
Little Finger Carrot
Di Ciccio Broccoli
Catskill Brussels Sprouts
EZ Serve Lettuce, Saint Anne’s Slow-bolting Lettuce
Oliver’s Pearl Cluster Melon
Sunflower Velvet Sunflower, Sunspot Sunflower (I am planting both these Sunflower seeds in the ground and they can grow or not, it’s up to them).

I’ll get another Lantana plant to attract pollinating flying things and it attracts hummingbirds. The Lantana I have is still alive and has new growth starting. I think the Hummingbird plant is surely dead, didn’t make it through winter.


39 posted on 02/14/2014 3:04:26 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper
I've alternated seed trays with grow lights in the water heater room especially during the colder weather. Now that the sun is out again and warmer about 1/2 of my seedlings (some already transplanted) are in this south window with makeshift shelves. The Cubanelle and Anaheim pepper seeds are taking their sweet time sprouting so I transfer them back to the water heater top at night. My first year to do seeds so early so its a learning experience.
40 posted on 02/14/2014 3:19:37 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo
That's what you have to do, is experiment until you find what works for you. By starting the seeds this early, they will be ready to go out after the last freeze date.

On nice days, I put lots of stuff outside, to start hardening it off, and keep it from getting leggy.

/johnny

41 posted on 02/14/2014 3:24:21 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeh and I’m going with your advice to grow extras as backups.
My Serrano peppers last year I got them in the ground a bit late in May. After the ‘mid hades’ days of summer here in DFW area finally in October got some small peppers on the Fall rebound. Going with an earlier start this season.


42 posted on 02/14/2014 3:29:17 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Sarajevo

Even worse than Missouri!LOL


43 posted on 02/14/2014 3:31:27 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

Thanks for the link!


44 posted on 02/14/2014 3:34:04 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bgill

Busy Busy Beeeeeegill. Hope ya’ll get some rain.


45 posted on 02/14/2014 3:37:24 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

So what is your favorite for canning and sauce?


46 posted on 02/14/2014 3:39:12 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella

Several of the garden thread participants have mentioned the Sea Magic, but I haven’t actually tried it.

I am not familiar with those tomatoes. However, a general rule of thumb is to start tomato seeds about 6 weeks or so before desired transplant date.

The transplant date should be based on the Days to maturity, and allow for some weeks of harvest before a freeze. At least that’s the way I do it.

You are surely getting a good start on the garden. I am still working on other stuff, and just doing some general reading on gardening right now to refresh my memory.


47 posted on 02/14/2014 3:44:51 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

Nice picture-thanks for posting it. That table in front of the makeshift shelves looks almost exactly like a table that my Dad made when I was a kid. It was part of the living room furniture to go beside a very high back/armed love seat.


48 posted on 02/14/2014 4:00:48 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We hit 81 here today after several days of mid 30s for highs. Cut enough broccoli for several meals. Cauliflower is almost ready to cut. More turnips are ready to be pulled.

I planted two peach trees this week and got nectarine graft wood from my neighbor. We will be grafting his fruitless pear tree again this spring. 7 of 10 have grown the past two years.


49 posted on 02/14/2014 4:17:09 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes

“I am not familiar with those tomatoes. However, a general rule of thumb is to start tomato seeds about 6 weeks or so before desired transplant date. The transplant date should be based on the Days to maturity, and allow for some weeks of harvest before a freeze. At least that’s the way I do it.”

I did that going by the directions on the package as to how long the seeds take to sprout, then how long to keep them growing under the grow lamp before hardening them outside before gong into the final pot.

I guess I’m fuzzy on are there tomatoes that can’t stand heat and have to do their thing before our hot August. Or, does it not matter when you plant any tomato outside as long as it’s ready to go outside?

See, I’m not sure when some plants must be through by hot summer. I’ve read from you and others about lettuce bolting due to heat. So, maybe what I need is a list of veggies that won’t produce in hot weather, they have to do their thing before hot weather?

Does the above make any sense?


50 posted on 02/14/2014 4:32:33 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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