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Residents question checkpoint in Brownsville
valleycentral.com ^ | 02.12.2014 | Marcy Martinez

Posted on 02/14/2014 1:45:25 PM PST by moonshinner_09

A heavily populated area in Brownsville got some heavy police presence Wednesday.

Brownsville police officers set up a checkpoint on Honeydale to check license and registrations and to watch out for speeders.

Some people were not happy about it.

But Eliza Panciera welcomed the surprise initiative to deter unsafe driving in her neighborhood.

"I think they should come out here every day."

Eliza has seen firsthand the dangers of speeding here.

"One time a car came fast around the corner and ended flipping over there."

Some vehicles have even ended up in a canal that runs right next to Eliza's house.

She was only one of a few that supported the afternoon busts.

Many others were outraged that they had to pull over, some ended up calling for someone to pick them up and a handful were taken away in the back of a police

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: chat; checkpoints; police; policestate; texas
It's really nice to see folks can come together and debate this.This begins with chatting about what their personal point of view is.The police could first have held open forms allowing the people to chat with them about this issue and next they can decide is this a good idea or bad idea.They could start debating the matter and afterwards put the matter up for the voters to decide on it. Once they chat about it over coffee,at their local bars,restaurants,churches could even be used for all the members of the community to come together and chit chat with each other to get a real feel about what is going on and ,is the majority of the community on board with this or not.This would get the communities involved and open many doors in the communities for residents to come to know each other and some real causal chit chat can lead to making life time new friends and making it all about making the communities better place- safer place to live. As Barack Obama says that talking about our problems will solve our problems.Based on the all comments left, doing some public debating would of been very helpful here.I think they should consulted with the public first.
1 posted on 02/14/2014 1:45:25 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

How is looking at people’s licenses and registrations “checking for speeders?” I thought radar did that. What am I missing?


2 posted on 02/14/2014 1:54:11 PM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: moonshinner_09
Is this city cops doing this and does state law allow it? As far as I can tell, Texas is one of the states that doesn't allow suspicionless checkpoints. (I don't know how much leeway Texas cities have within Texas law)

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3 posted on 02/14/2014 1:57:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
We have DWI check points in CT. They are announced in the newspaper a few days ahead of time. The announcement usually gives the general area and the days the roadblock will happen. I can't think of any roadblocks that weren't publicized beforehand.
4 posted on 02/14/2014 2:20:28 PM PST by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: cripplecreek

Trust me Texas does allow suspicionless checkpoints. There are all sorts of checkpoints 100’s of miles from the border on all the main highways.


5 posted on 02/14/2014 2:23:48 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: peeps36

I question the effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints anyway. Back in my drinking days they would have never caught me because they didn’t set them up on deserted dirt roads.


6 posted on 02/14/2014 2:24:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yeah, border checkpoints belong on the border. In Michigan you can only cross the border 4 places by car so its easy to do them at the bridges and tunnel.


7 posted on 02/14/2014 2:28:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cld51860

“PAPERS PLEASE”?


8 posted on 02/14/2014 2:34:42 PM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: cripplecreek

Back in my drinking days they would have never caught me because they didn’t set them up on deserted dirt roads.
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Also, if they had been setting up DUI check points etc between 5-7 PM they would have caught a lot more and BIGGER fish...

Only us professional ‘drunks’ were vulnerable late at night, (every night cause the ‘good drunks’ missed NO work) the other drunks were on the highway in the early evenings..

A ‘good’ DUI driver always had ALL his lights working, drove the speed limit, used turn signals and had more than one way to head home....


9 posted on 02/14/2014 2:35:09 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: cripplecreek

I am not talking about the checkpoints directly at the border, I am talking about checkpoints 100’s of miles east of the border on all the main highways right before you get to the nearest large cities east of the border.


10 posted on 02/14/2014 2:38:06 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: xrmusn

There was the time I came upon a police standoff at an old farmhouse. Fortunately they just wanted me to keep on moving.


11 posted on 02/14/2014 2:59:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Those and “no refusal weekends” where they stop everyone and if you refuse a breathalyser, you get your blood drawn!

In my county, there is an atty running for JP who really really wants to sign “blood warrants” because her family suffered from a drunk driver last year. She seems to be MADD on overdrive... I think we should keep the non-atty incumbent who is doing a great job.

Drunk driving is against the law - not everyone is doing it and suspicionless checkpoints violate civil rights of those who aren’t drunk. JMHO


12 posted on 02/14/2014 3:05:01 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: cld51860

“Am I under arrest?” “Am I being detained?” “May I depart?”

The only responses needed...


13 posted on 02/14/2014 3:32:33 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: cripplecreek; All

Loads of legal info and research...

http://section520.org/1.html


14 posted on 02/14/2014 3:42:23 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: cripplecreek
State law shouldn't have anything to do with it, because this is a straight 4th Amendment issue, which restricts the states as much as it does the Federal government. I realize the courts disagree, but they're wrong on this one.
15 posted on 02/14/2014 4:06:08 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Those are federal checkpoints though, authorized under a ridiculous ruling that allows them to put up checkpoints for “border security” up to that distance from the border.


16 posted on 02/14/2014 4:07:17 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

The US Supreme court ruled that they were OK but by that time the people here in Michigan had beaten up on the legislature so much that they decided to abide by the state supreme court ruling.


17 posted on 02/14/2014 4:12:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; cripplecreek

I went through one of those checkpoints in western Texas in October 1981. The men were all Texas Rangers. I showed them my Navy orders and they inspected the two rather large seabags in the back of my ‘72 240Z.


18 posted on 02/14/2014 4:27:51 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
am not talking about the checkpoints directly at the border, I am talking about checkpoints 100’s of miles east of the border on all the main highways right before you get to the nearest large cities east of the border.

we were amazed when we vacationed in that area....we were on our way back to attend a wedding in Colorado.....somewhere, many miles north and east of wherever we had even come close to the border, there was a border patrol blockage (permanent) on a multilane highway....we went through the goofey procedure while tractor/trailers proceeded through, at a reduced speed of course, in an adjacent lane.....I thought of mentioning to the agent that I had taken all the drugs out of my car at the last rest stop and placed them on the deck of the transport carrier next to me, but I refrained from doing so...also, I looked across a field and could SEE a frontage road running parallel to the highway..........now I'm not a drug smuggler, but even I could have figured out that the frontage road was a possibly better place to transport my stash that the highway with a border stop....I did, however, point out to the humourless agent that I thought that this entire fiasco was a gigantic waste of time (mine) and money (also mine)

19 posted on 02/14/2014 4:30:04 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s good. One problem, though, is that I think the Feds can still put up their own “border” checkpoints in many states, even if the states have outlawed suspicionless checkpoints. So passing laws against this at the state level can’t check the problem entirely.


20 posted on 02/14/2014 7:07:02 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: cripplecreek

I live in the mid-cities area between Dallas and Ft. Worth. In the late ‘80s I drove to work on a residential, 2-lane road in Euless part of the way. One morning about 7am I encountered a checkpoint and had to show my I.D.

There was a lot of residential house construction happening in the area and they were checking for illegals who might be working the jobs, as residents had reported seeing illegals
sneaking through their yards in early morning hours. One such resident was a coworker in my dept.

A Border Patrol detention center was only about a half mile away in an industrial district. Every Friday afternoon on the way home, I would see a large Border Patrol bus from the detention center pull onto the highway in front of me and head West. The buses were almost always full of illegals and were headed for El Paso, where they would be sent back to Mexico.


21 posted on 02/14/2014 7:11:58 PM PST by octex
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To: Boogieman

Those are federal checkpoints though, authorized under a ridiculous ruling that allows them to put up checkpoints for “border security” up to that distance from the border.
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About 1990, wife and I went to South Padre for 2-3 days on our way back to DFW from a driving trip through CA and casino hopping in Las Vegas.

After heading home, we had to pull over at a checkpoint about 50-60 miles from Brownsville. They checked for any fruits or vegetables from Mexico. ....The highway has a huge grassy median filled with large bushy plants. Before the checkpoint, and afterward, we illegals under those bushes, hiding from sight and the hot Sun. ....The illegals would hide until some friend or coyote loaded them into a SUV or van. The checkpoint served to ensure the autos had not picked up any illegals.


22 posted on 02/14/2014 7:34:47 PM PST by octex
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To: octex

Oooops!

we illegals = we SAW illegals


23 posted on 02/14/2014 7:42:00 PM PST by octex
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To: octex

Oh, I understand the ostensible purpose of the checkpoints. That doesn’t make them Constitutional.


24 posted on 02/14/2014 7:47:37 PM PST by Boogieman
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