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Archbishop: ĎThe More That Govít Mandates Evil Actions, The More Likely Civil Disobedience Becomesí
Cybercast News Service ^ | February 14, 2014 - 1:59 PM | Barbara Hollingsworth

Posted on 02/14/2014 5:52:39 PM PST by Olog-hai

Calling the Obama administration “the most tone deaf to religious liberty issues in recent memory,” Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput warned that religious freedom in the U.S. is “at risk,” and that “the more government mandates evil action, the more likely civil disobedience becomes.”

Last February, Chaput urged his fellow prelates to take the “right action…whatever the cost” regarding the Health and Human Services’ contraceptive mandate, which requires nearly all insurance plans under the Affordable Care Act to pay for sterilization, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs. …

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: archbishop; archbishopchaput; charleschaput; hhsmandate; mandate; obamacare; philadelphia; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty

1 posted on 02/14/2014 5:52:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
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2 posted on 02/14/2014 6:01:25 PM PST by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Olog-hai
I am becoming convinced that the Regime is deliberately trying to provoke civil disobedience or even worse. It would explain why they are arming themselves to the teeth.
3 posted on 02/14/2014 6:08:14 PM PST by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

An incident akin to what happened in Tiananmen Square won’t go by here as submissively as it did in Red China.


4 posted on 02/14/2014 6:12:25 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
I had actually thought our U.S. bishops would learn something from the last 6 years' experience. So far, the evidence that they have is slim.

Chaput is one of the few who seems to actually see what's happening all around us.

5 posted on 02/14/2014 6:32:14 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Lord, save Your people and bless Your inheritance; give victory to the faithful over their adversary)
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To: Olog-hai; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

Ping!


6 posted on 02/14/2014 6:38:06 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Olog-hai
Mr. President, if you like your obedient citizenry, you can keep your obedient citizenry. Period.
7 posted on 02/14/2014 6:57:21 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

CNSNews.com: Are Christians being persecuted for their beliefs in the U.S.?

Archbishop Chaput: “’Persecuted’ is a big word. We’re not in Pakistan or North Korea. But it would be very unwise to ignore the implications of government coercion like the HHS mandate, or the misuse of the IRS, or political and judicial attacks on the nature of marriage.

“Government pressure on religious communities has clearly increased in our country in recent years. The United States has no magic immunity attached to its liberties. The Constitution, as great as it is, is still just a piece of paper unless people vigorously protect their rights.

“For religious believers, that means defending their faith in the courts and legislatures. It also means living their faith with joy and conviction, publicly as well as privately.”


8 posted on 02/14/2014 6:58:36 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: I am Richard Brandon

yes we suspect that slso. Or they know something really bad is getting ready to happen like the economic collapse or the grid going down. There is definitely a reason for all this stuff.


9 posted on 02/14/2014 7:31:01 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Olog-hai
respect legitimate authority

Respect, yes, obey - no. The government that violates the natural law is no longer a legitimate government.

10 posted on 02/14/2014 7:36:00 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Zeneta
‘The More That Gov’t Mandates Evil Actions, The More Likely’ that Cardinal Dolan will give a happy "shout-out" to politicians driving such action when he sees them at Mass.


OPM, OPM, OPM - Woo-Woo!

God Bless Archbishop Chaput. He's one of the good guys, I think.

11 posted on 02/14/2014 7:37:27 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Archbishop Chaput telling it like it is.


12 posted on 02/14/2014 7:41:12 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Olog-hai

When people blocked the doors of abortion clinics, and the State mandated that the police make themselves accomplices to abortions by removing the people, NOT ONE BISHOP in the United States issued a statement instructing the police that arresting those people was a crime.

Removing an obstacle that one knows is preventing a crime is to be an accomplice to that crime. That’s both civil law and moral theology.

When will the Catholic bishops, as body, apologize for killing the Rescue Movement by their silence?

(Auxiliary bishop, Austin Vaughan, of New York, got arrested. He was praised by Cardinal O’Connor. But no pastoral letter, from any bishop, ever.)


13 posted on 02/14/2014 8:35:52 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Dqban22
“For religious believers, that means defending their faith in the courts and legislatures. It also means living their faith with joy and conviction, publicly as well as privately"

In the future, it may come down to physically defending themselves from these slime bags. Physical persecution happens in other countries. It will happen in America too. Keep your powder dry.

14 posted on 02/14/2014 8:36:45 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Olog-hai

“To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so.

To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished.

It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonored.

That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality.”

P.J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, trans. John Beverley Robinson. London: Freedom Press, 1923, p. 294


15 posted on 02/14/2014 9:17:03 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Eloquent. And hard to read to the end without considerable pain and shame.


16 posted on 02/15/2014 4:12:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Without justice, what else is the state but a large band of robbers?" - St. Augustine of Hippo)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Eloquent. And hard to read to the end without considerable pain and shame.

I agree. I ran into the quote in my travels last night and thought it was too powerful not to share here.

I still need to find out what circumstances prompted the author to write it. It describes our current federal leviathan perfectly.

17 posted on 02/15/2014 7:19:10 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, may God keep and protect Archbishop Chaput.

Had a dream last night that I was being held prisoner with a number of others for the crime of being a Christian. In the dream, I was apparently some sort of trusty, as I had run of the house we were being kept in and had to take food to the others who were in cells, one of whom was a priest.

It wasn’t too bad a place except we couldn’t leave, but perhaps this was the first stop before we were transported to the concentration camp.


18 posted on 02/15/2014 8:11:08 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: Windflier

Well, maybe that is the left’s definition of being governed and what the Soros administration wants us to be, but up until just recently we have been governed in a just and peaceable way. “Consent of the governed....”

Wasn’t your author some sort of anarchist? We cannot live in a civil society without some laws.


19 posted on 02/15/2014 8:17:34 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: Bigg Red
Well, maybe that is the left’s definition of being governed and what the Soros administration wants us to be, but up until just recently we have been governed in a just and peaceable way. “Consent of the governed....”

Just recently? The last time we had any semblance of the Framers' type of government in this country was during the 19th century. Almost exactly a hundred years ago, the federal reserve and the income tax were put into place, thus laying the foundation for leftists to utterly dismantle everything the Framers left to us.


"The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning. Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom."

"The whole of mankinds progress has had to be achieved against the resistance and opposition of the state and its power of coercion."

"A new type of superstition has got hold of peoples minds, the worship of the state. People demand the exercise of the methods of coercion and compulsion, of violence and threat. Woe to anybody who does not bend his knee to the fashionable idols!"

Ludwig von Mises

There's no such thing as a benevolent state. Ultimately, government is force and coercion. A dangerous beast that will always seek to slip its bonds and consume its master.

20 posted on 02/15/2014 8:45:17 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bigg Red

What a dream. I’ve been having “political anxiety” dreams lately, too. but I never remember them for more than a second before they evaporate.


21 posted on 02/15/2014 8:53:11 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Lord, save Your people and bless Your inheritance; give victory to the faithful over their adversary)
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To: Windflier

Almost exactly a hundred years ago, the federal reserve and the income tax were put into place, thus laying the foundation for leftists to utterly dismantle everything the Framers left to us.

&&&
That is most probably true, but it still does not inspire me to embrace anarchy.


22 posted on 02/15/2014 9:00:05 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, I frequently have political anxiety dreams, as well, and I usually do not remember them, but this one was so real and involved my sneaking the Eucharist to the other prisoners.


23 posted on 02/15/2014 9:03:06 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: Bigg Red
That is most probably true, but it still does not inspire me to embrace anarchy.

I hear you, but consider this. As long as we humans feel the need to organize ourselves by investing a minority of our fellows with power over the rest of us, there will be abuses of power and tyranny.

Even with the most perfect governing system ever devised, eventually the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed to maintain our God given rights and freedoms.

24 posted on 02/15/2014 10:11:04 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bigg Red; Windflier
"Almost exactly a hundred years ago, the federal reserve and the income tax were put into place, thus laying the foundation for leftists to utterly dismantle everything the Framers left to us."

&&& That is most probably true, but it still does not inspire me to embrace anarchy.

Red, I think that what you're really embracing is fear. The fear that your fellow Americans are couldn't be trusted to make moral choices within a minimal framework of government requirement as they went about living their lives, and produce a prosperous, moral, and mostly harmonious outcome, which is certainly what happened in America in its early days, with the Founders' brilliant structure of government from Federal, State, and local.

As a limited government conservative who regards America as a fundamentally Christian nation (that's why it's slave-free), I am inspired to embrace confidence and trust in Americans.

25 posted on 02/15/2014 1:13:01 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Not too long ago I would have shared your optimism, but when I look at how many people in our country today have no moral code, no religious beliefs, I am not so confident.


26 posted on 02/15/2014 3:20:52 PM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: Finny

PS: Regardless, I still would not follow an anarchist, which is what Proudhon was.


27 posted on 02/15/2014 3:28:57 PM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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