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Jury Decides on Four of Five Counts in Loud-Music Murder Trial
NBC News ^ | Feb. 15, 2014 | Elisha Fieldstadt .

Posted on 02/15/2014 3:24:49 PM PST by libstripper

urors in the trial of a white Florida man who fatally shot a black teenager over loud music said on their fourth day of mulling the case that they reached a verdict on four of five counts, but cannot come to a consensus on one count of first-degree murder.

Michael Dunn, 47, says he was acting in self-defense when he shot at an SUV 10 times while parked next to four teens at a Jacksonville, Fla., gas station in November 2012.

The shots killed Jordan Davis, 17, of Marietta, Ga. Dunn is charged with first-degree murder, three counts of attempted murder and one count of firing a deadly missile into an occupied vehicle.

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Awfully dumb to get into an argument like the one he did. Certainly not a Martin/Zimmerman case where the decedent actually was trying to murder the victim. Having a loaded weapon imposes a huge obligation on its possessor only to discharge it if there's a real threat. If Dunn had just plugged his ears and lived with the irritation, he and his girl friend would have gone home to make love and live another day. I have a CCW permit and carry in my car all the time.
1 posted on 02/15/2014 3:24:49 PM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Sounds like they already convicted him of firing into the automobile and attempted murder. It may just be a question of causation. He’s an idiot. Sort of like the old dude who shot the man texting in the theater.


2 posted on 02/15/2014 3:27:08 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Mercat

I vote for acquittal. Sick of boom boxers forcing their evil crap on everyone around them.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 3:29:07 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: libstripper
The problem is the firearm.

I would have used a bat, stick or boot, then followed up with the firearm.

4 posted on 02/15/2014 3:31:20 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Nuc 1.1

I just turn up my Christian radio channel and then leave as soon as possible.


5 posted on 02/15/2014 3:31:42 PM PST by Mercat
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To: libstripper

I feel that there should be a “douchebag test” for anyone who wants to carry. That would cover this guy.

And then the Zimmerman types who need to play Manly Man need a “twitch” test.

Not taking Treyvon’s side. Read on.

Where I come from, “twitches” like Zimmerman abound: middle-aged white men, insecure, television-saturated and possessing failing personal lives. They’re unstable and dangerous.

When they meet up with a criminal up-and-comer like Treyvon...that’s what happens.

I could tell you some stories.


6 posted on 02/15/2014 3:32:26 PM PST by warchild9
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To: libstripper

Tactically, this is fascinating.

To start with, practically he was facing *seven* charges, as for the first count, the jury could have reached a verdict for Murder 1, Murder 2 *or* Manslaughter.

Ordinarily I would suspect a “jury nullification” vote, but something is odd. On the other charges, the *attempted* murder charges of the other passengers, he could face 20 years on each charge.

And the jurors all agreed on those counts (likely not guilty). However, if just one juror had been nullifying the first count, the pro-conviction jurors could have “counter-nullified” the other charges, forcing them into a retrial as well.

They likely would have done so, if they were in a bad mood.

This makes me suspect that *most* of the jurors wanted to acquit on count 1, but just one or two demanded conviction.


7 posted on 02/15/2014 3:34:51 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: libstripper
From what I know about this case it sounds like the shooter went way,way,*way* over the line and deserves some very serious jail time...maybe even life.
8 posted on 02/15/2014 3:35:13 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: libstripper

Lots of good info here;
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/02/14/dunn-trial-jurors-say-deadlocked-on-day-3-of-deliberations-will-return-tomorrow/

The decedent was getting out of the car, probably to beat down the shooter. He was shot in the legs first. Shooter claims he saw a gun. I don’t really know much, as I haven’t been following the case. One thing is certain though, at least in my mind, the shooter is a dumba$$. But it’s another Angels Corey case, and the prosecutors are pulling the same kinda stunts the pulled in the Zimmerman trial.


9 posted on 02/15/2014 3:38:47 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Mercat
I just turn up my Christian radio channel and then leave as soon as possible.

I used to have a thunder-mobile (even though I didn't like loud music) but I'd deliver a full broadside of (really loud) Bach on occasions like that.

10 posted on 02/15/2014 3:39:10 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Mercat

Quite possibly so. I had an incident about a week ago when I did not even remove my revolver from the glove compartment and achieved an excellent outcome. It was about 7:00 p.m. and I went to the local PetCo to get a bag of dog food for my two LARGE dogs, the smaller of whom is an 85 lb. Pitador and the larger of whom is a 110 lb. Great Dane. The Pitador was in the front seat beside me and the Dane was in the back seat. Just as I parked, I noticed a very grubby, old, unoccupied car to my left and, far worse, an almost equally grubby one to my right that was occupied by four guys who looked liked they just got out of the county jail and were up to no good, none of whom was Amish. Not wanting to display my revolver and escalate the situation, but very much wanting to send them a message not to fool with me or my vehicle, I rolled the front passenger side window down to display the Pitador. Then I rolled the tinted right rear window down to show them the Dane. They immediately left the scene. No cops, no gun use, no problem. Nevertheless, the revolver was there if I’d really needed it. Once a bullet leaves the muzzle it can’t be recalled.


11 posted on 02/15/2014 3:42:44 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: Nuc 1.1

——Sick of boom boxers forcing their evil crap on everyone around them.-——

I agree...people who cut you off in traffic need to be shot too...

Rolling eyes...


12 posted on 02/15/2014 3:45:08 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: warchild9

So in your fantasy, “middle-aged white men” aren’t allowed to have guns? How are you any different from a left wing gun grabber?


13 posted on 02/15/2014 3:47:40 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: libstripper

Just call it the “white knock out game”


14 posted on 02/15/2014 3:48:37 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Popman

I don’t like teenagers who throw empty plastic water bottles in my yard.

It’s too bad my arsenal fell in the inland waterway...


15 posted on 02/15/2014 3:48:41 PM PST by warchild9
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To: libstripper
In such situations I ask myself “do I want to fight over this”? If the answer is no I keep my mouth shut. I would bet in 9 out of ten of these loud music situations the punks would not only flip the complainer the bird but that at least one or two guys would get out of the car to do a beatdown.If I had a gun I would definitely keep my mouth shut, but technically there is nothing wrong with making a civil, polite request of another citizen. If that citizen responds with violence then THAT is another thing.
16 posted on 02/15/2014 3:49:27 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Reading comprehension isn’t your strength, is it?

I described “twitches,” and a hypothetical test for same.

Like “douchebag.”

Get the joke?

Had a few too many beers tonight?

/I’m a gun-owner in my 40’s and my Marine Corps father taught me how to shoot on his M14when I was still a lad.


17 posted on 02/15/2014 3:51:23 PM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9

I do not usually come across as terse and concise as this: You are full of bovine excrement.

Any litmus test for the exercise of natural rights is absolute tyranny.

We all live and die by our decisions, behaviors and responses; 99.99% do it with aplomb. Few in a million or so screw up and pay.


18 posted on 02/15/2014 3:52:38 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Dalberg-Acton

FR has lots of gun grabbers as well as assorted other left wing types. It has defiantly changed over the years.


19 posted on 02/15/2014 3:52:45 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
The decedent was getting out of the car, probably to beat down the shooter.

That depends on which of the shooter's two different stories you believe. In the first story given to police by Dunn, the decedent was in the car and wasn't attempting to get out of it.

Shooter claims he saw a gun.

Not in any initial statements. The shooter remembered the shotgun and being afraid for his life only after he spoke with his attorney. If Dunn had been threatened, one would think that he would have told his girlfriend that when she returned to the car after buying the wine. He didn't, as the girlfriend testified at the trial.

20 posted on 02/15/2014 3:55:23 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Manly Warrior

Yeah, I noticed he went off on ‘white men’ as well, after seeing your post.


21 posted on 02/15/2014 3:55:34 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: libstripper

I wonder if NBC would be so quick to label the races of those involved had the roles been reversed.


22 posted on 02/15/2014 3:58:12 PM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bk1000

It would not be on the NBC, ABC nor CBS news.


23 posted on 02/15/2014 3:58:55 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: elkfersupper

Yeah, I fantasize at times about the baseball bat approach.

On one hand the moron who shot them deserves a murder verdict. OTOH, I don’t really give a tinker’s damn about the victims either. You make it your goal to go around and piss off as many people as you can, you deserve what ensues. Too bad, so sad, just a little impromptu cleansing of the gene pool.

You have a right to make stupid decisions. You also have the right to suffer the consequences of those stupid decisions.


24 posted on 02/15/2014 3:59:14 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Nuc 1.1
I vote for acquittal. Sick of boom boxers forcing their evil crap on everyone around them.

Good God...what a foolish attitude.Call the cops? Yah,maybe.Give them dirty looks? Maybe.Fire several shots into their vehicle? Gimme a break.

25 posted on 02/15/2014 4:03:24 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Tactically, this is fascinating. To start with, practically he was facing *seven* charges, as for the first count, the jury could have reached a verdict for Murder 1, Murder 2 *or* Manslaughter. Ordinarily I would suspect a “jury nullification” vote, but something is odd. On the other charges, the *attempted* murder charges of the other passengers, he could face 20 years on each charge. And the jurors all agreed on those counts (likely not guilty). However, if just one juror had been nullifying the first count, the pro-conviction jurors could have “counter-nullified” the other charges, forcing them into a retrial as well. They likely would have done so, if they were in a bad mood. This makes me suspect that *most* of the jurors wanted to acquit on count 1, but just one or two demanded conviction.

I read this differently. They wouldn't acquit on minor charges and hang only on Murder 1. I suspect they convicted on all the other counts and are only hung as to whether the first count is Murder 1 or Murder 2.

But we should know pretty soon.

26 posted on 02/15/2014 4:04:46 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: libstripper

Should have “twitched?¿” three more times and avoided biased accessories. Where I come from I’m just sain.


27 posted on 02/15/2014 4:16:17 PM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You’re gonna take on FOUR urban yuts at night? Say you give them a “dirty” look. You leave and they follow you to your hotel. They don’t get out, but they know the car you drive and where you’re staying.

What do you do then?


28 posted on 02/15/2014 4:17:06 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: TalBlack

90% of the time, it’s best to just move on without saying a word. If the person with the booming music really had a concern for his fellow man, he wouldn’t be playing his choice of music in such an obnoxious manner in the first place.

Let his future need for a hearing aid be payment enough.


29 posted on 02/15/2014 4:21:15 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: warchild9; F15Eagle; Manly Warrior
Where I come from, “twitches” like Zimmerman abound: middle-aged white men, insecure, television-saturated and possessing failing personal lives. They’re unstable and dangerous.

Begs the question, where do you come from?

Are you suggesting the white homicide rates VS blacks are higher where you come from?

30 posted on 02/15/2014 4:22:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ealgeone

Find another hotel, once they leave. Call the cops if they don’t appear to be leaving.


31 posted on 02/15/2014 4:22:28 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I walk away from sooooo many that tick me off nowadays...Never know if the thug has a gun..or just some person who is carrying and not very together. We have had several people killed in road rage incidents. I say, let them drive on, cut me off, give me the finger...I will be the one going home tonight.

Chances are, with their rage, something will happen to them, ie car crash, someone else shoots them, or they run into a tree. All those possibilities are better than me getting shot cause I felt insulted or angry.

sometimes, I just make the sign of the cross...THAT really gets to them..they just freeze and roll on as they try to figure it out.ha.


32 posted on 02/15/2014 4:22:41 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: warchild9

Zimmerman isn’t white.


33 posted on 02/15/2014 4:24:05 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: ealgeone

I’m still trying to figure out why so many people think they have a right to not have to hear other people’s music when they are in a public parking lot.

I’m guessing most of these people think it is OK for them to play music in their car; they would probably also say they never play it too loud, and that nobody would ever dislike it anyway.

So I see two problems — first, their insistence that other people’s freedom doesn’t include the freedom to play loud music in a public parking lot in their own car, and second, their insistence that the penalty for doing so should be death.


34 posted on 02/15/2014 4:24:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: F15Eagle

Never underestimate the psychological impact of Travon/Martin on this case. Not sure these jurors wanted to have that hanging on their heads.

Also, this case was a must win for Angela Corey for reelection purposes after the travon case.


35 posted on 02/15/2014 4:25:02 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: libstripper; All

Dunn has just been found guilty on all counts except first degree murder, where the jury deadlocked. See:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mistrial-declared-murder-charge-loud-music-trial-n31231


36 posted on 02/15/2014 4:26:07 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I walk away from things that bug me because, in general, I don’t see why I should be the king of the public space. I’m sure I’ve done things in public that bug other people, like singing off-key. I’d hate to get shot for it.


37 posted on 02/15/2014 4:26:27 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: warchild9

You should re-read what you wrote instead of throwing insults around.


38 posted on 02/15/2014 4:26:40 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Jonty30

and if they don’t?

call the cops for what?

the yuts see the cops coming and leave. wait for a period of time and then come back.

they know they’ve got you now.


39 posted on 02/15/2014 4:27:00 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: WHBates
FR has lots of gun grabbers as well as assorted other left wing types.

You are correct about that.

40 posted on 02/15/2014 4:28:32 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Have you ever pulled up to a gas station and the car next to you has the radio booming away?

And you’re saying they have a right to crank up the music as loud as they want?


41 posted on 02/15/2014 4:28:35 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Scoutmaster

Fleeing the scene was a super stupid move, too. It just about amounted to an admission of guilt.


42 posted on 02/15/2014 4:28:41 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

~~~first, their insistence that other people’s freedom doesn’t include the freedom to play loud music in a public parking lot in their own car~~~

Well, I’m not suggesting one intervene with a weapon in these instances, but there are laws about disturbing the peace, etc.?

Your freedom does not give you the right to disturb the peace with such noise. Yeah, although I hated to have to do it, I called the cops on a bunch of drunken idiots, who at 2 a.m. were blasting the stereo in the parking lot of the apartment complex where I lived, having to get up for work about 4 hours later.

I asked them to simply tell them to shut the noise off. Which they did.


43 posted on 02/15/2014 4:28:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Scoutmaster

oh yeah! This case is all bolloxed up. But the decedent was shot in both legs first, so,,,, he had to be out of the car, right??????

The idiot shooter didn’t call the cops? Crtazy bunch of stuff in this case!


44 posted on 02/15/2014 4:29:10 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ealgeone

CBS made sure they mentioned St. Trayyvon.


45 posted on 02/15/2014 4:29:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ealgeone

When you call the cops, you tell them anything you want that will get them to your motel room. Hearing gun shots is usually a pretty good one, because it can’t be proven that you didn’t hear them. The vast majority of the time, just by the cops showing up, such malcontents usually move on.


46 posted on 02/15/2014 4:31:35 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: libstripper

if you think urban yuts weren’t feeling immunity in playing the “knockout game”, just wait....this case will further encourage them to “step it up”.

there will be a sense of immunity going forward. I can crank my kanye up as loud as I want and nobody can do nothing to me!

the inner cities are literally becoming warzones.


47 posted on 02/15/2014 4:33:19 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Jonty30

True regarding the cops scaring off the malcontents.

But in today’s world, if you disrespect someone you’re inviting a beat down.

Again, we’re talking odds of four against one. Not good in any situation.


48 posted on 02/15/2014 4:35:32 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

People do lots of things they shouldn’t, but do anyway. It’s best to leave it alone unless it is life or death. Typical encounters like these are usually no more than a couple of minutes out of your day. Why ruin your whole day, and possibly your life, over these unfortunate couple of minutes?


49 posted on 02/15/2014 4:36:17 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ealgeone

That’s why it’s best to not try and teach manners to ill-mannered people in the first place.


50 posted on 02/15/2014 4:37:15 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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