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What experiences have you had with CFL and LED bulbs?
2/16/14 | Me, Myself & I

Posted on 02/16/2014 10:23:31 AM PST by EinNYC

Well, one of the 3 CFL bulbs in my kitchen ceiling fan light fixture has now burned out. The 2 still-functioning bulbs are candelabra-base dimmable CFL bulbs with the teardrop at the end. They lasted about a year or two. I am wondering if this burned out bulb is an opportunity for me to finally take the plunge into LED bulbs as a replacement.

What experiences have FReepers had with candelabra-base omnidirectional LED bulbs with a 40W incandescent equivalence, in the 2700-3000K range (so it looks natural and not like the kitchen is under an interrogation light)?

I heartily thank all contributors to my knowledge base in advance!


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1 posted on 02/16/2014 10:23:31 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

They’ve both worked fine for me. We had a CFL last several years in my parent’s old house. LEDs are pricey but they’re incredibly bright for the equivalent wattage of an incandescent. As with anything, YMMV.


2 posted on 02/16/2014 10:27:06 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: EinNYC

I have several LED bulbs, mostly for outside flood lights and entryways. I don’t know about the candelabra-base types. The LEDs I have were expensive ($29 for a 100W equivalent floodlight) and burn hot. Hotter than incandescent bulbs. They’re also instant-on like an incandescent. They consume about 1/4 of their incandescent counterparts and are rated for 20,000 hr.s.


3 posted on 02/16/2014 10:29:48 AM PST by Justa
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To: EinNYC

LEDs are expensive. They use almost no electricity. Look great. Are cool to the touch. Work well with dimmers.

Use them in rooms where the lights are on all the time.


4 posted on 02/16/2014 10:29:49 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: EinNYC

The Canadian Football League?


5 posted on 02/16/2014 10:31:32 AM PST by skams19
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To: EinNYC
No experience other than the ones I've seen are expensive and glarey. I wish they'd perfect them so I could replaced everything with LED's and never, ever replace a light bulb again. I would be happy to forget how to change a light bulb.

"How many 'Hardastarboards' does it take to change a light bulb?"

"None - because of LED's, he forgot how."

6 posted on 02/16/2014 10:33:40 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: EinNYC

The LEDs sound good but are too expensive. I’ve had good CFLs but those were from a time when we actually produced them here, now I get nothin but crap.


7 posted on 02/16/2014 10:35:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EinNYC

CFLs do not last for me. Just before they may actually begin to pay for themselves they burn out. Some have been rather interesting with the sizzling and smoking when they go. I bought a LED and wrote the date of purchase on it so I don’t forget to check how long they last. I love it so far.


8 posted on 02/16/2014 10:36:19 AM PST by netguide
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To: Justa
The LEDs I have were expensive ($29 for a 100W equivalent floodlight) and burn hot. Hotter than incandescent bulbs.

Never heard that before. Interesting.

9 posted on 02/16/2014 10:37:46 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: EinNYC

I’m using some candelabra bulbs outdoor in front porch and replacing ones as they burn out. The color isn’t perfect but got tired of beating the children and wife for not turning out the lights( jokingly). Now I don’t give a rats.ass.


10 posted on 02/16/2014 10:38:20 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: EinNYC

I have converted to LED lights almost everywhere in the house. They are great, and no failures in 2 years of service.

CFLs have many downsides. CFL’s contain toxic mercury, have limited life, generate audible and raido-frequency noise, occasionally catch on fire, have to warm up to reach full light output, have poor light quality.


11 posted on 02/16/2014 10:40:05 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: EinNYC

I’ve got a few LED bulbs in our porch fixture that are running like champs. I tried CFLs there, but they get too hot and burn out nearly as quickly as good ol’ Tungsten bulbs do.


12 posted on 02/16/2014 10:40:47 AM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: EinNYC

I recently installed three in various locations in the house. They are bright, instant on and have a good “warm temperature”. They say they will last for 22 years. I won’t be around that long so I’ll have to take their word for it.


13 posted on 02/16/2014 10:41:01 AM PST by liege (America 180)
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To: EinNYC
Those CFL bulbs are guaranteed to last 10 years.

Just save the receipts for all the bulbs and get new ones when they go out.

You have the receipts, right?

</sarcasm>

14 posted on 02/16/2014 10:41:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Redcloak

LED are awesome in cold climates because they give great light at any temp unlike CFLs that dim when it gets cold outside.


15 posted on 02/16/2014 10:43:06 AM PST by GraceG
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To: EinNYC

My house is painted green, and I found a green cfl on sale at Lowe’s for 2 bucks, so I put it in the outdoor fixture next to the front door. In this weather it takes forever to warm up to full light. I had a white non-dim one in a fixture over my kitchen counter. My friends and I would be havin’ a beer, and I’d dim that sick puppy anyway. Gave off the freakiest illumination ever!


16 posted on 02/16/2014 10:44:29 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Starstruck

Mine are made by Utilitech, sold at Lowes. I had to do some adjustments on them and they run hotter than incandescents probably due to all the ceramic. They are well built and heavy. If they hold up to their advertised life I will get at least 12 years from them.


17 posted on 02/16/2014 10:46:46 AM PST by Justa
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To: EinNYC

Just last weekend , Saturday morning about 5:00 am, the local SWAT team boots in my door, holds me and the wife at gun point while all the goons rifled my entire house and confiscated every incandescent light bulb I owned! They took the 40 watters out of the kids lava lamps and even took the 7 watt night lights!

To add insult to all this they wrote me a ticket for the wasteful toilet I have in the basement bathroom.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 10:47:04 AM PST by Delta 21 (If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom. Period.)
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To: loungitude

Lounge, have you any specific brands which seem to be better than others? There aren’t that many brands offering candelabra-based torpedo drip-tip (I could, if I had to, live without the drip-tip and just get a plain torpedo) dimmable LED bulbs in the 40W equivalent range. And yes, I definitely would rather get a U.S.-manufactured product than support China.


19 posted on 02/16/2014 10:47:32 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Had the Fire Dept. out for a CO leak and while in house they noticed all CFL’s I had in the garage. I was in the process of changing out all my old bulbs.

I was told the CFL’s are turning out to be a bit of a fire hazard and the department was seeing more and more fires started by these bulbs as they become more widely used. I plan on switching to LED’s as the price comes down. They produce better light anyway.


20 posted on 02/16/2014 10:47:45 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Starstruck; Justa

From what I’ve seen the first generation of LED lights burned hot.

The ones I’ve purchased recently are much better.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 10:51:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Justa

What type of LED are you talking about that is hotter than an incandescent? I’ve never seen an LED that even got warm to the touch, much less anywhere as hot as an incandescent.

A hot light runs counter to efficiency because aeverything that goes to heat is waste. LEDs have heat problems only at the surface of the emitters, but you’d be hard pressed to feel it without putting you finger directly on one.


22 posted on 02/16/2014 10:52:10 AM PST by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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To: EinNYC

I find CFLs to be under bright and they don’t last nearly as long as advertised. Haven’t tried LED.


23 posted on 02/16/2014 10:57:23 AM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: EinNYC

We remodeled our kitchen a year ago and the laws required us to put in “high efficacy” lighting. We chose LEDs which caused a HUGE increase in the kitchen budget. The LEDs are in recessed fixtures, not globe lights like you are considering. We also installed “Diode LED” under-cabinet lighting to light the counter tops. The recessed fixtures cannot have removable bulbs (too many people were cheating and tearing out the LED and putting in regular incandescent bulbs), so the LED element is permanently attached.

1. Likes.
* Low electricity consumption (grasping at straws). But our kitchen lights are not on enough to notice any difference in the electricity bill (it’s dominated by the electric oven, electric dryer, and refrigerator).
* No mercury in the bulbs. If the God damned government is going to force me to install things I don’t want, then at least there’s a mercury-free alternative.

2. Dislikes.
* Turn-on lag. There is maybe a 300 - 400 msec before the lights come on.
* Light quality sucks. Even though we got “warm” LEDs, they still have a light quality like those high-intensity headlights we all hate.
* Strobe effect on the under cabinet light strips when pouring food out of boxes, especially cereal.
* Poor dimming. I went through several dimmers before finding one that works on the under cabinet LED strips. The last dimmer seems to have “solved” the problem by not letting you turn the light down very far.
* Unstable dimming. With a couple of dimmers on the under cabinet lights, the lights would periodically “flash” to higher intensity. This is a common problem with dimming LEDs.

I haven’t tried a dimmer yet on the recessed LED cans. That’s up next. Maybe the Cree bulbs in the recessed lights will work better with dimmers than the under cabinet LEDs.

Luckily we’ve got traditional incandescent bulbs in our pendant lights and chandelier light in the DR — instant on, excellent dimming, no flicker, warm light. Plus I’ve got enough Edison base traditional incandescent bulbs stashed away to last the rest of my lifetime.

Bottom line: Do I like LEDs? No, not yet, as much as I wanted to like them. Eff the Government for this travesty. These things are really not ready for commercial sale.


24 posted on 02/16/2014 10:59:53 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Those CFL bulbs are guaranteed to last 10 years.

Based on 2 hours a day, 4 days a week, computed on a 26 week year. Or something like that in the fine print.

25 posted on 02/16/2014 11:01:30 AM PST by PAR35
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To: EinNYC

My bathroom has no windows and the light switch is in an awkward position to try to find.

I bought a small lamp and put a 10w CFL in it. It is on 24-7. It provides enough light for general bathroom use.

The CFL burned out just a few weeks ago, so I replace it with another. It ran 24/7 for about 4 years.

I replaced most of my lights with CFL years ago. I have only had 2 burn out. One was in a dining area light fixture; that bulb only lasted a few weeks. Its replacement still works. The other was the bathroom lamp light mentioned above.

I figure the lesser utility bills for the last 8 years have more than paid for the CFLs. I haven’t tried the LEDs yet, as they are still kind of expensive.


26 posted on 02/16/2014 11:02:42 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: All; Justa

Mine are made by Utilitech, sold at Lowes. I had to do some adjustments on them and they run hotter than incandescents probably due to all the ceramic. They are well built and heavy. If they hold up to their advertised life I will get at least 12 years from them.


1) ISTR LEDs run at about 5VDC (do they even work on AC?) and very low (VERY low) wattage. Hence the savings.

2) One HAS to step 110/120VAC down to ~5volts (and DC?) so there has to be SOMEthing in the bulb base to achieve that. What is it? Transformer? Transistors for AC-to-DC? Selenium rectifiers (does anyone even use those any more)?

Is the circuitry (?) garanteed as long as the LED? I ask because my neighborhood is known for outages and surges; not clean power.


28 posted on 02/16/2014 11:09:35 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: PAR35

I was just pointing out the absurdity. When congress shoved them down our throats they told us they would last forever.


29 posted on 02/16/2014 11:09:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: EinNYC

In the last year I’ve started slowly replacing incandescent a and CFLs around the house with the 40 and 60W equivalents that Lowes is selling for less than 10$ (the 40W’ers I’ve been catching on sale some times <7$). I have some over the kitchen sink with a dimmer switch that we have left on 24x7 for months now as task lights day and evening and night lights when we go to bed.

So far I really like them.The light has a slight tinge of blue that I only notice when I look at them directly and they seem brighter than rated equivalents when I put them next to incandescents. The 40w equivalents are much brighter than 40w incandescents and indistinguishable from 60w. And similarly the 60w equivalents are brighter too. Unlike the CFLs that seem to cook their bases within a year or so of use in the overhead fixtures, the LEDs look good as new- I never notice any heat from them even after leaving them on all day.


30 posted on 02/16/2014 11:10:41 AM PST by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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“The CFL burned out just a few weeks ago, so I replace it with another. It ran 24/7 for about 4 years.”

Do you recall the brand?

TIA!


31 posted on 02/16/2014 11:11:06 AM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: EinNYC

Been using the CFL (dimmible type) in my kitchen. They burn out almost as fast as incandesent.

I’l be switching to (warm light) LED’s as soon as i use up the CFL’s


32 posted on 02/16/2014 11:13:40 AM PST by topspinr
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To: Flying Circus
Circus, thank you for your excellent review on the LED bulbs you bought.

I also wonder if LEDs will work in Hunter ceiling fan light kits. Hunter told me, several years ago, that CFL lights would not work with their ceiling fans with remotes. However, I found that so long as I used DIMMABLE CFL bulbs, they worked perfectly with the remotes.

What is the difference between DIMMABLE CFL bulbs and regular CFL bulbs, that the dimmies worked just fine? Does the same situation exist with LEDs? Do I need dimmable LEDs or is it a totally different technology, so it doesn't matter?

33 posted on 02/16/2014 11:16:52 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Sorry, I just grab the cheapest ones at Home Depot - so I have no feedback on what brands to use. And, all of mine are conventional, not decorative types.


34 posted on 02/16/2014 11:17:08 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: EinNYC

I have two LED lights in my ceiling. They get so hot, I cannot touch them very long. If you look at these bulbs they have a heat sink and fins to dissipate the heat.

They were $30 each and one of them has burned out already.

My best guess is that they measure electrical use AFTER the transformer to sell us on how energy efficient they are.


35 posted on 02/16/2014 11:18:16 AM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
My friends and I would be havin’ a beer, and I’d dim that sick puppy anyway. Gave off the freakiest illumination ever!

CFLs are not dsimmable! W Their RF/transforner ckts are not meant for use on dimmers! That's a real good way to start a fire, AFIK.

I own/rent property and have put in dimmers everywhere to prevent CFL/mercury hazard from CFLs. hen my tenants move in, they get halogen bulbs for every installed light fixture. My rules ban the use of CFLs. If the halogens burn out, they supply incandescents or halogen replacements. Once every year, they get a free halogen for any fixture that they had to provide an incandesct.

Halogen bulbs have the old incandescent screw bases and bulb shape, with another, smaller bulb inside that profile. these halogens have filaments and are dimmable. They give the same light on 40% lower power as the same incandescents.

Remember, in the winter, the heat generated from any bulb warms the house and reduces the fuel bill. Filament lights only need extra energy for cooling in the summer, not the winter.

GET THE HALOGEN BULBS.

36 posted on 02/16/2014 11:19:45 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: EinNYC

LED’s are expensive, but the candelabra bulbs run below $10 I think.

LED’s run hot because they are powered via DC while being supplied AC — that means there is an AC-DC converter built into the base.

LED’s have a 1/3, 2/3 life span. At 1/3 they’re 20% dimmer, at 2/3 they are over 35% dimmer.

LED’s come in 10w, 5w, 3w, 1w and then lower. The higher the Wattage the brighter the LED and the Hotter it’s likely to get.

Cree seems to be the premier manufacturer of LED’s for home lighting (meaning quality).


37 posted on 02/16/2014 11:20:27 AM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: EinNYC

I stocked up on incandescents last year.


38 posted on 02/16/2014 11:20:50 AM PST by MistrX
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To: EinNYC

My CFL’s don’t last if they are mounted to a ceiling that is also a floor. The vibrations kill them I expect. My kids bang around a lot. In the upstairs they do much better. I prefer the LED’s but something inside won’t let me pay 25 bucks for a light bulb.


39 posted on 02/16/2014 11:21:18 AM PST by enduserindy (A painted trash can is still a trash can.)
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To: EinNYC

I detest CFLs and have had nothing but bad experiences with them. When prices came down for 60w and 40w equivalent bulbs, I tried them.

I love them. The 60w equivalents from Ikea are my favorite 60w, but the Great Value ones from Walmart are very good too. I use a combination of 40w and 60w bulbs around the house. The GV daylight bulbs are almost too bright. The Cree ones from Home Depot aren’t as good as the other two, but they’ll do in a pinch.

I’ve had great success on getting outdoor LED floods from Amazon. I love them. They are still pretty expensive though at about $25 each for 100w equivalent. They’re awesomely bright. Using 80%+ less electricity for lighting without dealing with hazmat teams or crappy bulbs that don’t come on until they’re ready? Yes, please!


40 posted on 02/16/2014 11:22:36 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: netguide

When I have cfl’s go out on me, I take them back from where they came. Just take ‘me back to Lowes, and drop them off if an out of the way place.
No fuss, no muss......


41 posted on 02/16/2014 11:27:30 AM PST by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: EinNYC

CFL....bad. LED....good


42 posted on 02/16/2014 11:27:49 AM PST by BRL
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To: 2banana; Justa
"Hotter than incandescent bulbs."

"Are cool to the touch."

Free Republic strikes again!

43 posted on 02/16/2014 11:27:54 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: EinNYC

I love my LEDs, but they are pricey. CFLs are garbage, especially if your service is susceptible to voltage fluctuations.


44 posted on 02/16/2014 11:30:09 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Peet
Nevermind! /Emile_Litella

I did a search the right way/the right question and found:



Well, isn't that special. Lots of components to burn out the next time the power surges or, my favorite, flickers for a second or so.

Yeah, I'll need a 10-year unconditional replacement warrenty before I'd even consider replacing a 50cent Edison bulb with a $5.00 LED bulb.
45 posted on 02/16/2014 11:34:36 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: EinNYC

I installed LED recessed fixtures last summer in my bedroom, what normally would required 600 watts of incandescent lighting, required 90 watts of LED lamps.

I used Phillips (made in China).

Here’s a link to Sylvania (USA???), make sure to note (very important)whether the lamp you want is dimmable or not, not all CFLs or LED lamps are.

http://assets.sylvania.com/assets/Documents/RETRO046_FINAL.912b7432-c45e-4071-9d4e-2f761d68134e.pdf

Not sure if the Sylvania LEDs are US made or not but as an electrician I wouldn’t install anything except Phillips or Sylvania.

I prefer Sylvania because some people complain they hear buzzing from standard lamps when dimmed - Sylvania tend to run quieter than ALL others, again with incandescent lamps.


46 posted on 02/16/2014 11:35:21 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: EinNYC

I’ve started converting to LEDs and will continue to do so, but I’ve been surprised by color a couple of times.


47 posted on 02/16/2014 11:35:50 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Flying Circus
What type of LED are you talking about that is hotter than an incandescent? I’ve never seen an LED that even got warm to the touch

He might have meant halogens. Too many new products, too fast, makes for confusion.

48 posted on 02/16/2014 11:39:01 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Sparky1776
As I posted above, I know that only dimmable CFL bulbs worked with my Hunter fan remotes (and I think even with the pull chain Hunter fans I have). But I don't know if that "only dimmable bulbs" applies to LED lighting.

Does anyone know if I would have to use "only dimmable" LED bulbs in the Hunter ceiling fan, if I could use non-dimmable LED bulbs in the fan, or if LED bulbs would work at all? Thank you!!

49 posted on 02/16/2014 11:39:45 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

I recently bought one of these LED bulbs to use in a hard-to-reach location.

It was expensive ($35 at Lowe's), but I got tired of dragging out the ladder after the last 100w incandescent in that fixture only lasted a few weeks. The LED bulb is rated at 25,000 hours — hopefully true!

The yellow phosphor envelope glows white (3000K) when driven by the blue LEDs inside. 23w, 1600 lumens. It's advertised to be a "100w equivalent", and, subjectively, it appears at least as bright as the incandescent it replaced. Spectrum-wise, it's ever so slightly closer to the blue end than the incandescent.

This lamp only receives intermittent use (it illuminates a stairway). It doesn't need to be on often, but when it does, it needs to reach full brightness without significant delay. It does have a barely noticeable delay (200 ms?) to reach full brightness. But that's way better than CFLs!


50 posted on 02/16/2014 11:42:06 AM PST by cynwoody
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