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A different take on Tut
Alvin Powell ^ | February 11, 2013 | Harvard

Posted on 02/16/2014 2:27:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv

In recent years, DNA analysis has shed light on the parents of Egypt’s most famous pharaoh, the boy king Tutankhamun, known to the world as King Tut. Genetic investigation identified his father as Akhenaten and his mother as Akhenaten’s sister, whose name was unknown.

French Egyptologist Marc Gabolde offered a different interpretation of the DNA evidence on Thursday. Speaking at Harvard’s Science Center, Gabolde said he’s convinced that Tut’s mother was not his father’s sister, but rather his father’s first cousin, Nefertiti.

Nefertiti was already known to be Akhenaten’s wife and in fact the two had six daughters. Gabolde believes they also had a son, Tutankhamun, and that the apparent genetic closeness revealed in the DNA tests was not a result of a single brother-to-sister mating, but rather due to three successive generations of marriage between first cousins.

“The consequence of that is that the DNA of the third generation between cousins looks like the DNA between a brother and sister,” said Gabolde, the director of the archaeological expedition of Université Paul Valery-Montpellier III in the Royal Necropolis at el-Amarna. “I believe that Tutankhamun is the son of Akhenaten and Nefertiti, but that Akhenaten and Nefertiti were cousins.”

(Excerpt) Read more at news.harvard.edu ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; akhenaten; amarna; catastrophism; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; marcgabolde; nefertiti; tutankhamun
Photos by Jon Chase/Harvard Staff Photographer -- Genetic investigation continues to uncover more about King Tut, Egypt’s most famous pharaoh. Marc Gabolde, the director of the archaeological expedition of Universite Paul Valery-Montpellier III, told his Harvard audience that he is convinced that Tut’s mother was his father’s first cousin, Nefertiti.

Photos by Jon Chase/Harvard Staff Photographer -- Genetic investigation continues to uncover more about King Tut, Egypt’s most famous pharaoh. Marc Gabolde, the director of the archaeological expedition of Universite Paul Valery-Montpellier III, told his Harvard audience that he is convinced that Tut’s mother was his father’s first cousin, Nefertiti.

1 posted on 02/16/2014 2:27:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
One of *those* topics.

2 posted on 02/16/2014 2:28:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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3 posted on 02/16/2014 2:28:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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4 posted on 02/16/2014 2:33:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

King Tut (King Tut)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he'd see
People stand in line to see the boy king.

5 posted on 02/16/2014 2:39:47 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I liked the DNA evaluation that TUT was Irish! A later article said he was related to half of the men in Europe. That kinda took the fun out of it.


6 posted on 02/16/2014 2:44:59 PM PST by mountainlion
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To: SunkenCiv

If three generations of first-cousin marriages look like a brother-sister marriage, I wonder what that says about maybe 20 generations of first-cousin marriages among most Muslims?


7 posted on 02/16/2014 2:47:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SunkenCiv

Quiet ! Not the camel. Tut was before the invention of Islam.


8 posted on 02/16/2014 2:53:32 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: SunkenCiv

Why is he considered the most famous pharaoh,he left behind the most fabulous stuff?


9 posted on 02/16/2014 3:02:09 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Cicero

” I wonder what that says about maybe 20 generations of first-cousin marriages among most Muslims?”

It says, massive amounts of birth defects, and a preponderance of idiots!


10 posted on 02/16/2014 3:05:47 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: mountainlion
I liked the DNA evaluation that TUT was Irish! A later article said he was related to half of the men in Europe. That kinda took the fun out of it.

Yep, this Reuters article says:

The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor. Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent, according to iGENEA.
I'm going to guess that Egypt, with its fertile land, was invaded early on by some Celtic tribe coming from the north along the eastern Mediterranean coast, who became the new ruling class.

Much like the British nobility is descended from Vikings. (The Normans (North-men) who invaded England in 1066 were descended from Vikings who had earlier settled in northern France).

11 posted on 02/16/2014 3:06:15 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Pollster1
Funny. Ya beat me to the punch.

However, I was one of those who stood in line at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts to see the display back in the day. It really was mind blowing.

12 posted on 02/16/2014 3:10:19 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: faithhopecharity

True,true, true...


13 posted on 02/16/2014 3:18:46 PM PST by Bogie
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To: SunkenCiv

He’s my favorite honky.


14 posted on 02/16/2014 3:20:01 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SunkenCiv

Bonnie Grey Jumping "King Tut" over auto, cheyenne frontier day 1925,

15 posted on 02/16/2014 3:22:39 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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16 posted on 02/16/2014 3:24:42 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: PapaBear3625

I already knew that Ramses the Great had red wavy hair. That would go along with them being related to modern Europeans.


17 posted on 02/16/2014 3:30:30 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Ditter

His tomb survived because he wasn’t one of the famous pharaohs. The tombs of the really famous pharaohs had long since been robbed. Basically his was overlooked.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 3:34:26 PM PST by quilterdebbie (We will endeavor to persevere!)
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To: Ditter

Wikipedia says:

Tutankhamun seems to have faded from public consciousness in Ancient Egypt within a short time after his death, and remained virtually unknown until the 1920s. His tomb was robbed at least twice in antiquity, but based on the items taken (including perishable oils and perfumes) and the evidence of restoration of the tomb after the intrusions, it seems clear that these robberies took place within several months at most of the initial burial. Eventually the location of the tomb was lost because it had come to be buried by stone chips from subsequent tombs, either dumped there or washed there by floods. In the years that followed, some huts for workers were built over the tomb entrance, clearly not knowing what lay beneath. When at the end of the 20th Dynasty the Valley of the Kings burials were systematically dismantled, the burial of Tutankhamun was overlooked, presumably because knowledge of it had been lost and his name may have been forgotten.


19 posted on 02/16/2014 3:41:35 PM PST by quilterdebbie (We will endeavor to persevere!)
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To: quilterdebbie

It was the “most famous” reference that I was asking about. I have watched the History channel every time King Tut has been featured. He died so young it must be the amount of artifacts that makes him famous, not something he did.


20 posted on 02/16/2014 3:51:25 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Pollster1

I understand he had a condo made of Stone-Ah.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 4:07:14 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: PapaBear3625
The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong
Thanks, that's my haplogroup (R-M269)... I was unaware Tut was too.
I'm of Irish descent, although my autosomal DNA indicates 91% Orcadian, which refers to the Orkney Islands, off the north coast of Scotland.
There be Vikings in my tree!
22 posted on 02/16/2014 4:14:01 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SunkenCiv

Family resemblance? Akhenaten on the right and a reconstruction of Tutankhamun on the left. Akhenaten is a fascinating figure, a reformer who attempted to swing his people to monotheism and away from a corrupt and powerful priesthood. He died prematurely and his reforms dissipated after his death.

From the Great Hymn to Aten, attributed to Akhenaten:

"...How manifold are thy works,
They are hidden from before us
O Sole God, whose powers no other possesseth.
Thou didst create the earth according to thy heart
While thou wast alone
Man, all cattle, large and small
All that are upon the earth
That go about on their feet
All That are on high
That fly with their wings
The foreign countries, Syria and Kush,
The land of Egypt
Thou settest every man into his place
Thou suppliest their necessities "

23 posted on 02/16/2014 4:51:11 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: yarddog
I already knew that Ramses the Great had red wavy hair. That would go along with them being related to modern Europeans.

When you think about it, Caucasoid Egyptians would not have evolved in Egypt. There is little difference in climate between non-Black Egypt, and black Sudan.

What makes more sense would be if the Caucasian race evolved somewhere in Europe or western Asia, and then migrated down to the North Africa region.

24 posted on 02/16/2014 5:00:49 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

A dozen years ago, Joann Fletcher identified the mummy called the “Younger Woman” as Nefertiti, and that’s the one which the DNA tests say was Tut’s mother. This would mean Ms. Fletcher was right.

It’s also a good thing Immanuel Velikovsky didn’t see this, because I remember him writing in “Oedipus and Akhnaton” that he hoped Nefertiti’s mummy would never be found. He didn’t want somebody putting a picture of the mummy next to a picture of Nefertiti’s famous statue.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 5:03:34 PM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: concentric circles

the one on the right looks like a bald barbar strisaid before time got to her..


26 posted on 02/16/2014 5:28:20 PM PST by goat granny (.)
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To: Cicero

There are very high rates of infertility, particularly among males. In Iran the rate of infertility is 20% which is double to triple normal.


27 posted on 02/16/2014 6:02:20 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Ditter

Pretty much. I went to the last Tut exhibit a year or so ago when it toured America. They stated Tut had been written out of history because of his screwing around with the the idea of the Sun God being omnipotent and the old guards didn’t like that.

So after he died they hastily buried him and wrote him out of history consequentially, the grave robbers over the millennium never discovered his tomb and when the English explorer Howard Carter discovered his tomb after a 31 year search, it was filled with all the goodies buried with Tut thousands of years earlier.


28 posted on 02/16/2014 6:04:21 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: SunkenCiv

Is it just me or is Nefertiti a really fun name?


29 posted on 02/16/2014 10:13:16 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

;’)


30 posted on 02/17/2014 6:35:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv
They fail to mention that Tut's yDNA is R1b, the same as 68% of Europeans.
31 posted on 02/17/2014 11:04:50 AM PST by blam
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To: PapaBear3625

The British monarchy today has precious little Viking blood. When the Stuart dynasty played out the crown went to the Elector of Hanover, a German monarch and great-grandson of James I. The Stuarts didn’t actually disappear, but the Act of Settlement required that the crown pass to the senior Protestant in line to the throne. The House of Windsor is basically German, especially considering that Victoria and Elizabeth II married Germans.


33 posted on 02/17/2014 4:46:15 PM PST by colorado tanker
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