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NERW Extra: Who’ll Fill WOR’s Sudden Morning Gap?
Fybush.com ^ | 2/18/14 | Scott Fybush

Posted on 02/18/2014 11:38:56 AM PST by raccoonradio

If you believed that Clear Channel had a carefully-constructed plan to rebuild New York’s WOR (710) into a younger-skewing talk-and-sports station, this morning’s developments should disabuse you of that notion. WOR raised plenty of eyebrows when it began the new year by replacing morning veteran John Gambling and his 86-year family legacy with Elliot Segal’s “Elliot in the Morning” show, simulcast with Clear Channel FM rockers in Washington and Richmond, Virginia.

But as of this morning, Elliot’s gone from WOR without a trace, or much of an explanation.

What’s going on? More than you’d think, including a lingering dispute over a studio…

First, nothing about what happened today was part of a bigger plan. Could Elliot have been a Clear Channel smokescreen to clear out the aging Gambling audience and get some quick attention for WOR, only to be bumped back to his Washington home base once a more permanent morning show was in place? It sounds like a reasonable guess – but it’s not what happened here.

Make no mistake: Elliot was WOR’s permanent morning plan (or as close to “permanent” as anything gets in radio), and that’s where the studio comes in. In order to move his show from WWDC-FM in Washington to a new home base in New York, Clear Channel promised Segal a custom-built studio in the Clear Channel complex at 32 Avenue of the Americas – and that’s part of where things got hung up.

NERW hears that Clear Channel completed a brand-new studio for Elliot in January, only to have it deemed unsatisfactory. Elliot kept doing the show from Washington while a replacement studio was built – and somewhere along the way, Clear Channel decided the experiment wasn’t working. The abrupt pulling of the plug today doesn’t leave Elliot and his crew hanging – they stay put in Washington and keep doing what they’ve been doing all along – but it comes at a tough time for WOR.

Clear Channel’s plan for the station was built on three new legs: a younger-skewing morning show, the proven track record of Rush Limbaugh at noon (imported from WABC) and the New York Mets (displaced from WFAN). Rush is Rush, of course, and he brings an existing fan base even if he’s not drawing any new younger listeners. The Mets are just getting started with spring training…but instead of starting their season with a cross-promotional boost from a successful morning show, they’ll get underway as Clear Channel tries to find a speedy replacement for the failed Elliot experiment.

We know more so far about who that replacement won’t be than who it will be. It won’t be fill-in Mark Simone, who’s been vocal about how much he doesn’t want to do a morning show (and who’s urgently needed on the 9-noon slot on WOR). And it won’t be Scott Shannon; even though he’s available now that he’s been cut loose from his longtime perch on WPLJ, and even though he’s made noise about being back on the air in New York sooner rather than later, it’s hard to imagine a worse fit for a talk morning show than the man who brought the top-40 “Morning Zoo” to New York 30 years ago.

So what does WOR do now? It’s got a studio (on the second try), and in the Mets it’s got a powerful promotional platform to help draw listeners to morning drive and the rest of the WOR programming day. It’s got a vacuum to work with: aside from Salem’s signal-challenged WNYM (970) and its fledgling Joe Piscopo/Frank Morano morning show, there’s absolutely nobody else doing locally-focused talk in mornings. Yet it’s missing a big leg from its stool now – and can a station with Rush in middays, the Mets at night and a big hole in morning drive make any kind of a mark on an unforgiving radio town? Stay tuned…


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: elliot; scottshannon; talkradio; wor

1 posted on 02/18/2014 11:38:56 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
It seems radio, all over America, is being changed.

They can't get us to change our minds and they can't get us to stop listening to what we want to listen to but they CAN get rid of the people we like to listen to.

This is not too far away from womb to tomb when our day is morning to night what THEY want us to hear.

Consider the kids with earbuds in all day long ... what ARE they inputting ?

So far all that's left (I don't know everything, but as far as I know ... ) is Rush and Glenn.

2 posted on 02/18/2014 11:47:13 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf; prisoner6

prisoner6, your thoughts?


3 posted on 02/18/2014 11:52:09 AM PST by sneakers ( Quinn: "Liberty is the solution to the human condition.")
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To: raccoonradio

I like radio, but for myself, the commercials were finally the end of radio as I knew it. I’ve switched over to Sirius/XM, unless something drastic occurs I will just pay a yearly fee to listen to it. Otherwise I’m going commercial Free and as a MAJOR bonus I won’t have to listen to Obama again on the ‘news’.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 11:56:36 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: raccoonradio

I’m in this market and I came across Elliott while I was driving in the car one morning. Seemed to me like nothing but stupid and scatological shtick.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 12:01:54 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: raccoonradio

Or is CC planning to spring some new national morning show on us?

They dumped Quinn and Rose here in Pittsburgh a couple of months back. Some local dweeb from Wheeling, WV is still filling that slot. Can’t imagine he’s their long-term solution.


6 posted on 02/18/2014 12:06:31 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sneakers

I’m not saying it’s a leftist plot...but it’s a leftist plot!

Look at my stations in Pittsburgh. The FM plays horrible, pop JUNK! In the evening it is the VERY LEFT ORIENTED syndicated Delilah fake request show. Overnights it’s the vapid John Tesh intelligence for your life...programing which is anything but intelligent!

The AM plays nostalgia. It isn’t too bad except it’s filled with old leftist music...Streisand and her ilk, leftist folk/pop like Peter Paul and Mary and a few decent songs mixed in.

It’s all non offensive to the Stupid musical wallpaper. Seriuosly, elevator music was light years better than this!

The PSAs are the worst! The are still warning...I’m not kidding ...about global warming and other leftist oriented messsges.

Most of the proraming is syndicated, prerecorded or voice tracked.

Management will bend over backwards to avoid being confontational...at least to the left. That is one of the reasons stopped doing news except in an emergency.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 12:12:10 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: knarf

for me, just rush. my local guy mark belling is also good.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 12:16:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: prisoner6; All
We got a good guy here in Boston, Howie Carr 3-7 pm on WRKO and a bunch of other stations in New England etc.

9 posted on 02/18/2014 12:17:23 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: The Working Man
"I like radio, but for myself, the commercials were finally the end of radio as I knew it."

Pretty much the only radio I listen to is the local sports radio channel, and I am amazed how many commercials they run. I'd guess that about 75% of the time I turn on the radio, there is a commercial playing. And the commercial breaks sometimes seem to extend for 5-7 minutes. I don't know what the facts are, but it seems that commercials consume about 50% of the air time.
10 posted on 02/18/2014 12:18:08 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: prisoner6
I think Q&R REALLY tried to accommodate CC by running more commercials than I want to hear (They never played as many say, two or three years ago as they were just before their canning) which speaks, in my opinion, to the motivation for getting rid of them ... GET RID OF THEM !

I think I see this attitude showing itself all across our nation in various and sundry ways.

11 posted on 02/18/2014 12:34:04 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
I'd guess that about 75% of the time I turn on the radio, there is a commercial playing. And the commercial breaks sometimes seem to extend for 5-7 minutes.

You try selling time on this station to a sober client.

Herb Tarlek, WKRP in Cincinnati, 1978


12 posted on 02/18/2014 12:36:43 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The problem for CC and all broadcasting conpanies for that matter is cash flow.

For a few decades ago corps were able to pick up licenses/smaller stations on the cheap. They would invest money (much subsidized BTW) in equipment, pick up Rush...hehehe... and suddenly the station they bought and fixed for $200k is worth a million!

Equity in real estate/equipment was the safety parachute.

Now the house of cards is collapsing. They believe the only way to ssve themselves is branding and promotion. Lame promotion.

Meanwhile a friend who tried several times to buy stations but always ran them into the ground or insisted on running programing that didn’t fit the area invested $400k into two good stations in D/FW. He insisted on running his own tradio instead of keeping a highly rated and money making noon to three show.

Equity was saving him and he was offered double his investment but said no. A year later he lost them.


13 posted on 02/18/2014 12:37:44 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: Steve_Seattle

It used to be 4 breaks an hour each ~4 minutes long. Now it’s 3 breaks an hour each 6-7 minutes long. Some might run 2 breaks an hour but in sold out conditions they can run 10 OR MORE minutes each!


14 posted on 02/18/2014 12:42:38 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Broadcast radio is a dying medium. Technology is bypassing it much as it bypassed the telegraph and land line telephones. Rush Limbaugh and his imitators revived AM broadcasting in the 1990s. The age of the leading conservative talkers (Hannity, Beck, and Levin are in their 50s; Limbaugh in his 60s; Savage and Bennett in their 70s) indicates that the current era of conservative talk radio will go away in 10-15 years. As for demographics, radio listenership is declining in all formats, and is nearly nonexistent among those born after 1985. NPR and the liberal networks are in the same sinking ship as conservative talk radio. In 2030, Limbaugh and Levin will likely be off the airwaves, but so will All Things Considered and Larry King.

Blogs and social networking are the future not only of conservative communication, but leftist as well. In another 15 years yet another medium may come to the forefront.

15 posted on 02/18/2014 1:06:16 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Herb Tarlek, WKRP in Cincinnati, 1978

There's an oldies TV channel, Antenna TV, I think, that has WKRP episodes playing. I had forgotten how hilarious some of them were!

16 posted on 02/18/2014 1:11:12 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: raccoonradio

A lot of radio folks (past and present) were surprised when Clear Channel selected “Elliot” for the morning slot. Yeah, I know they’re going after the younger demo, but his “approach” just doesn’t mesh with a conservative talk format.

Ironically, WOR is up three-tenths of a point in the latest “people meter” ratings, while WABC is down half a point. That may not sound like much, but in a huge market like NYC, it represents a definite shift, and I’d say Rush is responsible for much of it.

In fact, WOR should avoid an even bigger mistake by making a quick hire to fill the slot permanently. First of all, the pool of local hosts capable of stepping into that slot is fairly small, and it’s tough to get someone to follow a disaster like Elliot, knowing they may get canned a year or so down the road.

If I were programming WOR, I’d stick Mark Simone in the morning slot for the next six months, and give him a nice bonus for holding down the fort. That would give Clear Channel time to find a permanent host and promote him/her ahead of a mid-summer launch. Imus is at his ranch for most of the summer and when he’s not taking a day off, he’s phoning in his show—literally and figuratively. Ratings for Imus trend down in the summer, so there’s an opportunity for WOR (if they find the right host), to generate some buzz—and ratings—at that juncture.

There’s also a school of thought that says WOR can survive with a middling, even weak morning show. WABC did it for years; Curtis and Kuby rarely cracked the Top 10 in the morning slot, so WABC made its money later in the day with Rush and Hannity.

With the addition of Rush, Sean, and the Mets (plus an election year), there’s a better than 50/50 shot that WOR passes WABC in six months, even if 710 lags in the mornings. That will affirm the legacy of Lew Dickey (CEO of Cumulus, owner of WABC) as one of the biggest idiots in the history of broadcasting. Someone ought to ask him how that “Savage” experiment in the afternoons is going.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 1:13:11 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Wallace T.
broadcast radio is a dying medium.

It shouldn't be that way. Radio is the only medium that requires only one sense... hearing. All others require more or some interaction.

To borrow a phrase real radio...the best radio...is live and local.

18 posted on 02/18/2014 1:14:18 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: 9YearLurker

I miss Gambling who was perfect for morning drive in NYC. He was smart, soft-spoken, politically conservative and knew everything about NYC & NJ politics. Bring him back!

Meanwhile, Joe Piscapo (!) has replaced the terrible Curtis Sliwa and his hours of Mob Talk over at 970AM. I wonder how he and Kuby are doing over at WABC.


19 posted on 02/18/2014 1:23:45 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Perhaps sadly I remember WABC the good guys..which went to another station IIRC.

Also Jean Sheperd on WOR ...EXCELSIOR!


20 posted on 02/18/2014 1:25:08 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: raccoonradio

Here’s the thing that gets me: The radio professional who decided upon Eliot didn’t know he sucks. I heard maybe 10 min. of Eliot and got tired of his yelling and frenetic laugh. He ain’t NY.


21 posted on 02/18/2014 1:32:29 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: raccoonradio

I,like tried to,like, listen to Elliott but, like, he was too much, like, listening to, like, a teenager. You know, bro? Dude, he like, talked, like, like a bro, like, too much bro!

Gosh he was banal!


22 posted on 02/18/2014 1:35:41 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: prisoner6
and suddenly the station they bought and fixed for $200k is worth a million!

Last Summer a 1kW AM Daytimer here in Pittsburgh sold for the price of a gently used sedan ($14,515)


23 posted on 02/18/2014 1:36:51 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Renda gave WIXZ/WPTT/WMNY to Loran Mann’s church. Some of us were hoping it would go to a local school or university.


24 posted on 02/18/2014 1:44:52 PM PST by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: knarf

.....And Mark.


25 posted on 02/19/2014 5:10:49 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: knarf

As in Mark L.


26 posted on 02/19/2014 5:13:07 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: raccoonradio

In CT, there is a very sucessful local radio station, WTIC AM, a 50,000 watts flame thrower. Has kept pretty much its local line-up pretty much intact.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 5:14:35 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Listening to Michael Savage is like listening to yourself hitting your thumb with a hammer. Toture.


28 posted on 02/19/2014 5:19:08 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Has HE been kicked of a, or some station(s) ?

If so, I've never heard of it.

29 posted on 02/19/2014 6:24:05 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Still on WABC AM for now at least from 6-9PM weeknights.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 6:28:49 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl; All

Yup...and btw nothing is official but according to TALKERS.com, Don Imus (working for rival Cumulus/WABC) said he was “told” that Scott Shannon will get the WOR morning slot. Again, nothing official, and rumors yesterday also said Shannon might wind up instead at a CBS-owned FM station in NY.

TALKERS:
>>Imus: Scott Shannon Will Get the Job. The Scott Shannon watch continues as the next radio home of the former, longtime WPLJ, New York morning co-host remains the subject of speculation in New York and across the country. This morning, WABC-based Don Imus was heard saying, “I’m told Scott Shannon will get the [WOR] job and I’m very happy about that.” Imus seemed sincere about his statement.


31 posted on 02/19/2014 7:32:51 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

http://www.talkers.com/


32 posted on 02/19/2014 7:40:45 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Wallace T.
As for demographics, radio listenership is declining in all formats, and is nearly nonexistent among those born after 1985. NPR and the liberal networks are in the same sinking ship as conservative talk radio. In 2030, Limbaugh and Levin will likely be off the airwaves, but so will All Things Considered and Larry King.

The only reason that is, is because of the internet (iHeart, Pandora, Spotify, Stitcher, podcasting etc.) and satellite radio, which is unmetered and not measured by the companies compiling terrestrial ratings numbers.

You mention formats, for example, you're not going to find formats such as Muzak (commonly known as elevator music) on terrestrial radio, but you'll find plenty of stations broadcasting Muzak on the internet and on satellite radio.

 There's always going to be NPR and conservative talk.  Rush Limbaugh pioneered conservative talk radio, and there will always the up-and-coming, and there's others that few people hear about like Todd Schnitt, Andrew Wilkow, Mike Church and others that will be around for years to come and then there will be another generation that follows them.

I think in 15 years, terrestrial radio as we know it will be dead and we'll be getting our radio fix from smart phones, computers, tablets, media devices like Roku and satellite radio.

33 posted on 02/25/2014 11:11:42 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: raccoonradio
Longtime NYC radio staple Scott Shannon moving to WCBS-FM 101.1
34 posted on 02/25/2014 11:14:12 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Yup and indeed now WOR still has a slot to fill in mornings.


35 posted on 02/26/2014 3:57:20 AM PST by raccoonradio
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