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Why Sochi is Not Lake Placid
http://www.breitbart.com ^ | Februry 18, 2014 | Craig Shirley

Posted on 02/18/2014 4:42:41 PM PST by NKP_Vet

Try as they might, some commentators during the U.S.-Russian hockey game could not muster much credible moral argument for making a comparison between Sochi of 2014 and Lake Placid of 1980.

Of course, we all wanted the US team to win this time, just like in 1980. But as part of a larger world morality play, it pales to near nothingness in comparison. President Obama immediately moved to seize a political advantage, sending out a tweet claiming to “never stop believing in miracles.” The president’s grasp of history is self-evidently weak and self-serving.

Back then, the joy of the American win was palpable. Strangers hugged in the streets, high-fived in the bars, screamed on the sidewalks. Toasts were made all over the 50 states. Everybody in America felt it and felt a part of it.

The galaxy-stunning win by the young American upstarts back in 1980 over the older, more experienced, and more intimidating Russian hockey team was the most compelling upset in the history of the wide world of sports--an American “Miracle on Ice” viewed as a crack in the ice of the Cold War, and in our favor for the first time in years.

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TOPICS: History; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: hockey; lakeplacid; olympics; sochi
As a member of the United States Air Force I had the honor of being part of the Lake Placid security detail during the 1980 Winter Olympics. It was sure a special time to be an American and I will never forget how proud we all were when the US Hockey team beat the Russians.
1 posted on 02/18/2014 4:42:41 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

The 1980 victory was a one of a kind event. I remember how much it p*ssed off a leftwing chicano professor I had at the timer, which was the icing on the cake.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 4:46:44 PM PST by skeeter
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To: NKP_Vet

I was born in 1990 and have only seen bits and pieces of this game on TV.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 4:53:46 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks NKP_Vet.
Berlin Wall, meet Ronald Reagan:

Unlike Obama, Reagan's speeches weren't meant to be just words that dissipate into the air...

4 posted on 02/18/2014 4:56:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: MeganC
There have been several movies made about the Miracle on Ice, but my favorite one was with Kurt Russell starring as Coach Herb Brooks. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it. If you want to experience a bit of what we felt, I recommend you rent it.

In 1980, the Soviets were beating the Americans at just about everything. It was nice to see our side win for once.
5 posted on 02/18/2014 4:57:54 PM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: NKP_Vet

My brother was on an airplane en route from Baltimore to Kansas City MO when the pilot announced that the U.S. beat the Soviets in 1980. He said everyone went crazy, people were going up and down the aisle hugging and crying. Flight attendants gave out free drinks.


6 posted on 02/18/2014 5:02:04 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: MeganC

I was 13. Can’t say I remember a lot of detail but I remember the elation and the “vibe.” Won’t be repeated in my lifetime, I’m sure.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 5:03:35 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: NKP_Vet

A bunch of guys who’s average age was 21 beating a Russian team who arguably could have stayed intact and played in the NHL. There is no comparison. A number of people picked the U.S. to win the Gold this year.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 5:11:03 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: NKP_Vet

That was a wonderful game but most people don’t remember it wasn’t the gold medal game.

This piece is mostly about nostalgia for a time when America was a better country. That was what was most special about that game. It was about an America where people were proud to be American.

That said, I do like that professionals are in the tournament now. Amateur athletics is just a propaganda term for class snobbery. The modern Olympics were founded in an era when the upper classes looked down on those who had to make a living. That made amateur athletics a (literally) noble pursuit.


9 posted on 02/18/2014 5:19:23 PM PST by Varda (DVRs are wonderful things)
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To: NKP_Vet
It is hard to root for the American hockey team vs. the Russians. Today, our defectors (Eric Snowden) seeks freedom and refuge from assassins in Russia. Our President promotes immorality, Marxism, and rules by decree. The Russian President speaks out against homosexuality and the persecution of Christianity. America has Miley Cyrus, the Russians have opera. In 1980, we were down, but not out. In 2014, we are in $17 Trillion in debt, declining morally at warp speed, and it looks like things won't get better.
10 posted on 02/18/2014 5:22:34 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: NKP_Vet

The USA did win our first Gold for Ice dancing this time. Apparently it was all Canada USA this time.


11 posted on 02/18/2014 5:23:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NKP_Vet

I witnessed the game in Germany at an ice rink following a German club game. They had a projection TV and it was live. The place was packed and went wild when we won. When I returned home I rode alone in an elevator with Coach Brooks. Had a chance to tell him the story and how much of a thrill I was for me and the German friends. He was a real gentleman too. Will never forget both events.


12 posted on 02/18/2014 5:32:49 PM PST by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: NKP_Vet
I'm a big hockey fan and something of a student of the "Miracle on Ice," having read a lot about it over the years. A few interesting tidbits worth noting:

1. Yes, it was a huge upset at the time, but the Soviets had it coming to them and should have seen it from a mile away. They went into that tournament with a sense of entitlement that's probably not surprising, considering they won four consecutive Olympic gold medals and were heavily favored to win a fifth.

2. The "Miracle on Ice" was one of the greatest coaching masterpieces of all time. That tournament unfolded almost exactly as he thought it would, and the U.S. won because he had built a team specifically to match up against the Soviets.

3. Team captain Mike Eruzione said years later that -- in retrospect -- the U.S. gold medal wasn't quite as big an upset as everyone originally thought. He made that statement after looking back years later, and realizing that many of the U.S. players went on to play long, solid careers in the National Hockey League. Before 1980, U.S.-born players in the NHL weren't all that common, so it was no surprise that nobody knew much about those players.

4. U.S. goalie Jim Craig said later that he didn't think the 1980 "Miracle on Ice" was even the greatest accomplishment of the 1980 Winter Olympics, let alone the greatest moment in the history of U.S. sports. He said the "Miracle on Ice" really overshadowed Eric Heiden's amazing feat of winning gold medals in all five men's speed skating events -- something that will never happen again.

5. Perhaps the best thing about the 1980 Winter Olympics is that Lake Placid has hardly changed at all in the 34 years since then. I've seen interviews with some of the players in which they say that to this day they can walk out into the middle of Main Street in the village of Lake Placid in the dead of night in the winter, and they still get chills and flashbacks from the night they beat the Soviets in 1980.

13 posted on 02/18/2014 5:43:50 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Dan in Wichita

The best part about that movie was that they made extraordinary efforts to re-create the events of 1980 as closely as possible. Most of the hockey players who played the roles in that movie were cast in their roles because they looked like the players, and had similar accents. And they did a great job of going back to the films of the 1980 games and re-creating exact plays, positioning of players, etc.


14 posted on 02/18/2014 5:46:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Starstruck

Interestingly, the U.S. went into that tournament as the seventh-ranked team in the world and they were considered a long shot to win a medal, but Herb Brooks had privately told his friends in the hockey world that he thought the team was good enough to win at least a bronze medal.


15 posted on 02/18/2014 5:48:24 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Varda

Absolutely agree.

Except the part about pros in the Olympics. But... that’s another topic. ;-)


16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:49:23 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: SkyPilot

Bill O’Reilly just had some college professor on that was debating him about Putin. The professor said he thought Putin was an authoritarian, but not a dictator. O’Reilly kept saying Putin was a murderer, who sides with other tyrants like Assaud. O’Reilly said anyone that speaks out against Putin is thrown in jail and he violates the civil rights of others, like the “gays”. I almost threw up my beer. All of Faux News is now touting the homosexual agenda. They are turning into the big brother of MSNBC.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:50:53 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: NKP_Vet
The 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team victory was definitely a "had-to-be-there" moment. Otherwise, you just won't be able to appreciate it. Even 34 years later, it seems surreal.

We had just gotten through the 1970s, which was a period of decline for America. Even more so than today, it was a period of depression and malaise. For we didn't have the high tech gadgets of today to at least keep us occupied and entertained. It was a drab existence for many, slogging off to work and coming home to a dinner of soggy meatloaf with a black and white TV showing 3 channels of utter dreck. No Internet, no media on demand, no trendy casual eating restaurants to go to. Nothing like that at all. Lowenbrau was as fancy as you got for beer (with a slight argument for Heineken). People would have parties at their house and have jello with lettuce in it and a "cocktail" would be jug wine mixed with Kool-Aid. A Peter Frampton album would be playing on the "hi-fi".

OK, so I set the scene. So enter 1980, right around the time that Ronald Reagan was starting to win some primaries and disco was finally declared to be dead. So you have the Olympics and our hockey team features these young kids who still mostly live with their parents, some of them still not out of high school. Remember that professional players were not yet allowed. Yet our team was going up against the Soviet Union version of NHL All-Stars. Grown men who had been playing hockey 10 hours a day, 10 months out of the year since they were toddlers.

The young kids find a way to beat these hardened veterans and all hell breaks loose in America. Like I said, you had to have been there to see what the big deal was.

Anyway, I was 18 years old (about the same age of the players) and lived close to Winthrop, MA at the time and I went over to see Mike Eruzione's homecoming parade. It was like The Beatles came to town. The streets were lined 20 deep with screaming fans for miles. And this scene was repeated across America for the other 20 or so players.

No wonder most of these players never played an NHL game. After that victory, there was nothing left to achieve that could have topped beating the Russians.

And I should mention that beating the Russians did NOT win the U.S. the gold medal. They still had to play Finland to get the gold. But amazingly, nobody remembers that! Yes, they beat Finland and won the gold but it was the victory over the Soviet Union that mattered most of all.

To me, that was the official kick-off of our modern age. The personal computer revolution was getting into full swing. Ronald Reagan was about to begin his 8 years in the White House and the U.S. economy was about to take off to new undreamed of heights.

I would love to go back to February of 1980 and live the past 34 years all over again!

18 posted on 02/18/2014 5:51:47 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: NKP_Vet
lake placid photo: lake placid Lake-Placid-Movie.jpg
19 posted on 02/18/2014 6:02:01 PM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: Alberta's Child

I know Lake Placid well. I was stationed near there in the Air Force twice and went to the village a lot. It’s still the same little town it was in 1980. Looks just like a little alpine village, especially with Whiteface Mountain dominating the skyline.

http://www.whiteface.com/mountain


20 posted on 02/18/2014 6:04:41 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: SamAdams76
It was a drab existence for many, slogging off to work and coming home to a dinner of soggy meatloaf with a black and white TV showing 3 channels of utter dreck. No Internet, no media on demand, no trendy casual eating restaurants to go to. Nothing like that at all. Lowenbrau was as fancy as you got for beer (with a slight argument for Heineken). People would have parties at their house and have jello with lettuce in it and a "cocktail" would be jug wine mixed with Kool-Aid. A Peter Frampton album would be playing on the "hi-fi".

Wiping tears from my eyes, Sam... wiping tears from eyes.

21 posted on 02/18/2014 6:08:28 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: MeganC

I was born in 1990 and have only seen bits and pieces of this game on TV.


Dont feel bad...only those in the arena that night (about 8,000) saw the game live....it was shown on ABC (who had rights to those games) a few hours later on tape. No one saw it televised live. We all saw a tape of game


22 posted on 02/18/2014 6:35:38 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Diversity is just racism against white folks)
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To: SamAdams76
Great post, but I don't know where you got the idea that some of those kids weren't out of high school. Only two of them -- defenseman Mike Ramsey and center Neal Broten -- were younger than 20 years old, and they both played previously for Herb Brooks at the University of Minnesota.

Some of those players were so good in college that Brooks deliberately set up their training and exhibition schedule so they'd be playing in Europe in the fall of 1979. This was done to ensure that they'd be out of the spotlight when NHL teams were in training camp, since many of these players had previously been drafted by NHL teams and Brooks didn't want them lured away from the Olympics by NHL scouts.

Joey Mullen was the one player Brooks wanted who didn't play on the team. I believe his father was sick at the time and the family needed money to pay medical bills, so he signed with the St. Louis Blues in 1979.

23 posted on 02/18/2014 6:56:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Exactly. More reasons why it was a great movie.

I still cannot believe it has been 34 years.
24 posted on 02/18/2014 6:57:33 PM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: SamAdams76

Don’t forget the peanut farmer was in the White House, saying that America would never be great again. The miracle on ice proved him wrong, and I think helped Ronald Reagan in highlighting the potential of Americans. I was 14 at the time and we were at the Illinois state swimming championship. When the score was announced the entire crowd stood up and sang the Star Spangled Banner. I will never forget that feeling, and we rushed home to watch the game on tape delay. On Sunday we watched the gold medal game live. It really drove home what it meant to be an American, and to show that we didn’t have to put up with a putz like Carter in office.


25 posted on 02/18/2014 7:05:41 PM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Great link there! New York State is a Marxist rat-hole, but it’s hard not to fall in love with a place like that.


26 posted on 02/18/2014 7:09:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: sharkhawk
A funny thing about international hockey is that a lot of the players know each other well. The nationalism is usually confined to the spectators, and doesn't play much of a role on the ice.

One of the books I read on this subject described how American goalie Jim Craig and Soviet star Sergei Makarov spent a lot of their free time in Lake Placid at the athlete's village playing an arcade game (Centipede, I believe) against each other. They both saw it as a way to sharpen hand-eye coordination, and they were thrilled to find that they could play it free for hours on end without dropping quarters into it. LOL.

27 posted on 02/18/2014 7:15:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: NKP_Vet
As a hockey fan, it's sometimes grating to see abject ignorance about a second-tier sport show up even in a respectable media forum.

One player who makes millions playing for the Washington Capitals of the NHL, Alexander Ovechkin, chose to play for Mother Russia, not the country that vastly enriched him.

Alex Ovechkin didn't have a choice in the matter. His only option was to play for Russia, or not play at all. The International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) has very strict rules about a player's eligibility for a national team, and the first condition of eligibility is that a player must be a citizen of the country he represents in an international tournament. And even if Ovechkin became a U.S. citizen, he would not be eligible to compete in international play for the U.S. without first going through a formal transfer process that could take as long as four years (the IIHF does this to discourage players from competing for more than one country during their careers).

28 posted on 02/18/2014 7:38:46 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: NKP_Vet

I watched the 1980 game in the lobby of my college dorm. The place was packed and erupted into mayhem when America won the game.

I don’t remember much of the night after that.


29 posted on 02/18/2014 7:45:05 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: NKP_Vet

Oh you mean there is an Olympics taking place???

Thank you for your service. I am glad you got to be in Lake Placid. That was a wonderful time


30 posted on 02/18/2014 7:59:55 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Alberta's Child

“New York State is a Marxist rat-hole, but it’s hard not to fall in love with a place like that”

Not upstate. Pretty conservative and usually vote for whatever republican is running.


31 posted on 02/18/2014 9:10:06 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: NKP_Vet

One of the Russian players plays for the Stars. How can you muster up a lot of animosity for a team that way?

Back then the Olympics were the only time you got to see the Russians play.


32 posted on 02/18/2014 9:13:58 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SamAdams76

As I recall, the game wasn’t even broadcast live.......but I clearly remember Jim McKay teeing it up, he couldn’t contain his excitement, even though the game hadn’t been shown yet....But I remember there were rumblings even before that indeed the US had won, even though we couldn’t be completely sure until the game was broadcast.

Of course these days, it would be impossible to keep the result under wraps, like that.


33 posted on 02/18/2014 9:18:50 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Al Michaels quote for the ages “Do you believe in miracles”!


34 posted on 02/18/2014 9:22:57 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: Varda

I agree about men’s hockey it is just pro teams playing

But women’s hockey is still amateur and is very fun to watch. This Thur night USA plays Canada for the gold. This will be a game for the ages.


35 posted on 02/19/2014 3:12:43 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I’d rather watch pros. These men are the best in the world and the level of play is very high. The fact that they make their living at this sport does nothing to lessen the commitment and effort that they give. It’s the best in the world versus the best in the world. And there are several countries which have a shot at winning.

I find women’s hockey hard to watch (but I do watch sometimes). They may give max effort but there is a general low level of play. The fact that the only competitive teams (USA-Canada) have such bad behavior on and off the ice doesn’t help. I expect Canada will win like usual.


36 posted on 02/19/2014 4:47:06 AM PST by Varda (DVRs are wonderful things)
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To: SkyPilot

Bump what you said.


37 posted on 02/19/2014 9:09:30 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Varda

Don’t know how long since you watched, but the level of play between women’s teams has improved dramatically, particularly in the Baltic and Nordic countries.

USA/Canada will be a humdinger of a match and my money is on the USA; much faster and better play makers. The Canadians are heavier and more physical, but that won’t make the difference IMO.


38 posted on 02/19/2014 11:52:28 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: NKP_Vet

It was the most amazing win ever.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 6:21:01 PM PST by Pelham (If you don’t deport it’s amnesty by default.)
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