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Justice: Chicago-style deep dish isnít pizza
nypost.com ^ | february 17, 2014 | david k. li

Posted on 02/18/2014 5:25:33 PM PST by lowbridge

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia struck down Chicago-style deep dish, ruling that the overflowing mess of sauce and cheese can’t be considered pizza.

The conservative stalwart, speaking at the Union League Club of Chicago’s 126th annual George Washington’s Birthday celebration, said he enjoys Second City pie.

But in his supreme opinion, it “shouldn’t be called pizza.”

The bizarre deep-dish offering calls for vats of tomato sauce to be poured over cheese, before it’s then baked into a boiling monstrosity.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Food
KEYWORDS: chicago; chicagopizza; pizza; scalia
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Speaking as a native new yorker...

Suck it up, Chicago!

Heh.

1 posted on 02/18/2014 5:25:33 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Lasagna without the pasta.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:28 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: lowbridge

It’s why Chicagoans call it a “pie,” Justice Scalia. Nonetheless, I trust your judgment.


3 posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:34 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: lowbridge

I used to not like Pizza Hut and had not eaten any pizza for many years until my Niece and her family stopped by maybe a year ago.

They had stopped at Pizza Hut and gotten a couple. I was surprised how good they were so I decided to try them again. I didn’t know what to order but the little girl at the register helped me figure it out.

It was a deep dish meat lovers pizza. Sure enough it was good and also reheated for several days.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 5:32:57 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: lowbridge

Anchivies, Black Olives, Green Peppers and onions.

there IS no other pizza


5 posted on 02/18/2014 5:33:39 PM PST by digger48
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To: lowbridge

Speaking as a Chicago native, I never heard if Chicago-style deep dish pizza until I left Chicago. So go figure, actually thin crust is more Chicago style as far as I can tell. New York pizza sucks IMHO.


6 posted on 02/18/2014 5:33:43 PM PST by WHBates
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To: lowbridge
Im gonna agree with the judge

sorry Chicago

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

7 posted on 02/18/2014 5:34:04 PM PST by expatguy (Donate to "An American Expat in SE Asia")
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To: lowbridge

Damn straight.


8 posted on 02/18/2014 5:40:26 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: lowbridge

I make some of the best pizza around.

In fact my sons ex-MIL told me she couldn’t wait for her grandkids birthdays just so could come out and eat some of the pizza I make for the parties....


9 posted on 02/18/2014 5:43:07 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: digger48

I love anchovies on a pie, but I guess I am more of a fan of them being a lone topping. I have had anchovies and onions which was OK, but never anything else. One of the perfect pairings of food is an anchovy pie and a cold one, in my opinion.

Freegards


10 posted on 02/18/2014 5:45:28 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: digger48

You mean to tell me that this lo-carb California free range chicken teriyaki and cashew-pineapple pizza that I’ve been eating for all my life isn’t real pizza?


11 posted on 02/18/2014 5:46:58 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Kirkwood

Its a casserole, not a pizza.


12 posted on 02/18/2014 5:50:31 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: lowbridge

I’ve had both styles before, each in their native city. Both are good in their places. However! The New York pizza for some reason tasted better in all ways, I think it’s because it was eaten on the street at the bistro tables and usually because I was hungry and in a hurry to be somewhere else.

The Chicago style was better for sitting in a restaurant with friends and spending time enjoying the ‘pie’ and good company.

Now with that out of the way, the ABSOLUTELY best pizza I have ever had was at a place called ‘Pizza Villa’ in Delaware Ohio. It’s hard to explain why, it just was.

The most ‘Fun’ Pizza I ever had was at Pizza and Pipes in Everett Washington. It was a pizza palace inside of a Wurlitzer Pipe Organ. Long Trestle tables, and wonderful live music and old time silent movies accompanied by the organ. Ahhh, good memories indeed.


13 posted on 02/18/2014 5:52:49 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: WHBates
Speaking as a Chicago native, I never heard if Chicago-style deep dish pizza until I left Chicago. So go figure, actually thin crust is more Chicago style as far as I can tell. New York pizza sucks IMHO.

Ike Sewell invented the deep dish "Chicago" pizza in 1943 at the corner of Ohio Street and Wabash Avenue in Chicago. I like it myself, but I hear you when you say it's not authentic Chicago pizza. Thin crust is good too.

Now as for New York pizza, to each his own. ;-)

14 posted on 02/18/2014 5:53:15 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: lowbridge
I really like Zachary's Chicago Pizza in San Ramón, Calif., which serves thick, deep-dish pizzas and attracts huge crowds. However, my favorite pizza is a thin-crust variety from Lomeli's Italian Restaurant in Brea, Calif.
15 posted on 02/18/2014 5:54:47 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: WHBates
Speaking as a Chicago native, I never heard if Chicago-style deep dish pizza until I left Chicago. So go figure, actually thin crust is more Chicago style as far as I can tell. New York pizza sucks IMHO.

Same here. Now, if you want a treat once in a while you have to go to Geno's East for a deep dish pie. Unbelievable.

16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:55:48 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: Ransomed; digger48

I always wondered why they have anchovies on the menu. I have never seen anybody order them.


17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:58:00 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: lowbridge

anyone near sacramento…

http://www.zeldasgourmetpizza.com


18 posted on 02/18/2014 5:58:08 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: lowbridge

Used to be a great little pizza shop near me that served Chicago-style deep-dish pizza. It had a thick layer of provolone cheese covered with sauce. 1 slice was a meal - I loved it! Then the shop closed down.


19 posted on 02/18/2014 6:01:08 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

It’s an acquired taste.

My daughter worked a short while at a Dominos.

She said they used to argue over who had to be the one to deal with them


20 posted on 02/18/2014 6:01:41 PM PST by digger48
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To: lowbridge

Have to agree with Scalia and Stewart....thin crust is the way to go. My wife likes the doughy, tasteless, thick crust kind, but each to their own. That Chicago deep dish in the picture looks dreadful. Incidentally, the few times I’ve eaten pizza in the Chicago area, I had thin crust from an Italian restaurant...and it was delicious.


21 posted on 02/18/2014 6:15:08 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

If you put anchovies on a pie, the pie will be overwhelmed by fishy salty goodness, every bite will taste like anchovies no matter what else is on there. Half anchovy doesn’t work too well. So the thing to do is get a regular pie and get a separate small pie with anchovies for those that don’t want the other ingredients to also taste like anchovy.

Freegards


22 posted on 02/18/2014 6:15:43 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I’m 64, and in my entire life I’ve never known anyone who ordered or ate anchovies. Yet numerous tv and movies have people ordering pizza with anchovies. What part of the country orders little fish on their pizza?


23 posted on 02/18/2014 6:19:29 PM PST by driftless2
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To: lowbridge

I’m kinda partial to Papa Murphy’s 5-meat stuffed crust pizza.


24 posted on 02/18/2014 6:20:13 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: driftless2

We use them for bait. ;^)


25 posted on 02/18/2014 6:21:12 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: The Working Man
Go to eat pizza in the Naples, in the old city. Heavenly. Although flatbreads apparently go back very far in history, southern Italy and Naples is where pizza was perfected, and it's very hard to find comparable pizza in the US, although there are some places that make it this way. Some may not like it, as Americans have gotten used to pizza swimming in cheese and with tons of toppings. True Neapolitan pizza is simpler, and the crust is amazing.
26 posted on 02/18/2014 6:24:45 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: lowbridge

I’ve had both and wouldn’t turn my nose up at either.


27 posted on 02/18/2014 6:25:05 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: lowbridge

Thin crust, NY style, dough sits overnight...

Pizza sauce is made separately from spaghetti sauce.

No white cheddar, just mozzarella.

It is a love thing. (sniff)


28 posted on 02/18/2014 6:31:45 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: lowbridge

BLASPHEMY!!


29 posted on 02/18/2014 6:34:36 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: digger48
Anchivies,

Anchovies = FISH ON PIZZA.

NO ONE in their right mind puts salty fish on pizza.

30 posted on 02/18/2014 6:35:42 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: digger48

Anchovy, garlic and Italian sausage.


31 posted on 02/18/2014 6:37:44 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: raybbr
Gino's east is good ... was much better "back in the day."

If you're anywhere in the Southwest Suburbs of Chicago -- there is NOTHING better than Beggars Pizza.

They lay it on THICK!

32 posted on 02/18/2014 6:37:55 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: driftless2

If you ever go to a genuine Italian place and have a great sauce, the secret is Anchovies.


33 posted on 02/18/2014 6:39:42 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

I like Italians Sausage,

It doesn’t like me.

About the only thing that gives me heartburn.

But that sounds good enough I might just get a roll of Tums and take the hit


34 posted on 02/18/2014 6:41:23 PM PST by digger48
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To: lowbridge
http://giordanos.com/

AMAZING PIZZA!!!

35 posted on 02/18/2014 6:42:53 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: VRW Conspirator

Just give me some Stromboli with Mozzarella or a Calzone with Ricotta, and to heck with the pizza wars.


36 posted on 02/18/2014 6:44:56 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: AppyPappy

Yup, anchovies lend tremendous depth to red sauce/marinara. As far as pizza, maybe it’s a northern US thing/Italian thing. Even up there I think it’s pretty rare, though. I never ordered it from a chain pizza joint, I’m surprised they even sell it. Although I do think the chain brands have gotten a little better in the last decade or so.

Freegards


37 posted on 02/18/2014 6:46:19 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: driftless2

The Budweiser and PBR part of it.

I never had Mexican or Chinese food that didn’t come out of a can or a box until my late teens.

Had to drive to the Big Cee-ty 30 miles away for that treat


38 posted on 02/18/2014 6:48:53 PM PST by digger48
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To: AppyPappy

Anchovy, Kalamata olives, and capers. Classic Naples-style pizza.


39 posted on 02/18/2014 6:50:13 PM PST by Benito Cereno
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To: lowbridge; digger48; Ransomed; Lurkina.n.Learnin; AppyPappy; Benito Cereno
You want the anchovia? I build-a for you the net-a. Lampara, Lampo- for lightening. No purse rings, so closes up fast --but one can purse seine anchovies, even throw a cast net for them.

But the big net? It take-a me a long time to build, and cost-a you a lotta money!

Pictured below, fairly typical lampara from the 1920's. Shown is an Italian-style "square" or bunt. Jap style nets (which can fish a bit deeper) cost extra.

But I know how (basically).


40 posted on 02/18/2014 7:08:25 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: lowbridge

its just a marketing ploy whn they hire non-Italians who don’t know how to spin the dough and just plop it in a pan


41 posted on 02/18/2014 7:11:10 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: lowbridge

Chicago deep dish is not a pizza... its a pizza pie

new york produces a smudge of runny tomato sauce on the thinnest slice of undercooked dough possible. the “toppings” consist of a smattering of rancid cheese dribbled onto the dough equivalent of paper in the most sparing manner possible while still being identifiable in order to charge 10x it’s worth


42 posted on 02/18/2014 7:20:51 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: driftless2

It’s a home thing. My mother often made pizza on Fridays. Always with anchovies, as Friday was an abstinence day back then.


43 posted on 02/18/2014 7:26:19 PM PST by oldsicilian
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To: Cvengr
Just give me some Stromboli with Mozzarella or a Calzone with Ricotta, and to heck with the pizza wars.

A pizza place opened up in the next town a few years back. I ordered a large calzone, and rattled off my favorites...ricotta, mozzarella, black olives, hamburg, sausage, pepperoni, peppers, onions. They said they had one size, I said fine as the price was fair. They basically take a small pizza, fill it up and roll it over. I had enough food for three nights (though I had to open up a jar of marinara sauce)! I am a regular customer. Love calzones!
44 posted on 02/18/2014 7:27:50 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Fiji Hill
My family is partial to Z's pizza at the other end of the Commons.

-PJ

45 posted on 02/18/2014 7:29:36 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
My family is partial to Z's pizza at the other end of the Commons.

We passed by Z's and considered eating there.

46 posted on 02/18/2014 7:32:04 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: lowbridge; dfwgator
In college, my favorite was Leonardo's By The Slice, but their sit-down pie restaurant was good, too.

-PJ

47 posted on 02/18/2014 7:33:33 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Fiji Hill
The do "by the slice." Not bad. Thin slice pizza.

I grew up in New York City, so by the slice was the signature way. Most restaurants were just kitchens with sidewalk cashiers. Grab and go.

-PJ

48 posted on 02/18/2014 7:35:40 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: bigheadfred
That's a bold statement, dude. But this isn't a competition for business: We share a passion. I can't eat pizza shop pizza anymore (some intolerance to processed white flour. No, not gluten). And, frankly, I got pissed off that every time I found a pizza I liked they up & changed it (for the worse, every time).

Perfected Whole Wheat/Garlic/Basil Crust & my own sauce, and the rest are just toppings. Better in my pizza oven, but that's 'undergoing modification'...

Now my Garlic-chicken...ro-ro-ro...(salivating)

49 posted on 02/18/2014 7:40:18 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

My pizza rivals that of Pizza Hut. For damn sure better than Dominos or Papa Roach.

But my point was my g-kids “other” grandma has more interest in my pizza that her g-kids.


50 posted on 02/18/2014 7:45:34 PM PST by bigheadfred
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