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Museum Of Tolerance Acquires Bertrand Russellís Nazi Appeasement Letter
AP) ^ | February 19, 2014 1:50 PM

Posted on 02/19/2014 2:24:17 PM PST by BenLurkin

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Museum of Tolerance has acquired a 1937 letter written by Bertrand Russell in which the Nobel Prize-winning philosopher says if the Nazi army invades his native England the British should invite Adolf Hitler to dinner rather than fight.

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“The fact of the matter is he had all the credentials. He probably was Britain’s greatest philosopher and won the Nobel Prize for literature after all,” Hier said. “But he didn’t understand a basic concept: that the idea that you allow evil to flourish under these conditions, that if we act nice to Hitler, serve him the best wine, that Hitler will come around to see things our way is just preposterous.”

Russell, one of the 20th century’s leading pacifists...

“We may win or we may lose,” he wrote. “If we lose obviously no good has been done. If we win we shall inevitably during the struggle acquire their bad qualities and the world at the end will be no better off than if we had lost.”

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: apologists; atheist; bertrandrussell; communist; homosexualagenda; neonazis; notapeacemovement; prodictator; unitedkingdom; usefulidiot

1 posted on 02/19/2014 2:24:17 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

“Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished ... The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.” -——Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810

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2 posted on 02/19/2014 2:29:49 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: BenLurkin

For every prominent, fashionable Brit who spoke well of Hitler, there were a hundred, or maybe a thousand, who spoke well of Stalin.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 2:30:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: BenLurkin
"“We may win or we may lose,” he wrote. “If we lose obviously no good has been done. If we win we shall inevitably during the struggle acquire their bad qualities and the world at the end will be no better off than if we had lost.”"

In other words, we lose either way. So why fight?

This is what's known as a royal wuss.

4 posted on 02/19/2014 2:32:37 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: BenLurkin

If Bertrand Russell were alive today he would fit right in with his countrymen in fawning all over and cuddling Muslims in a sycophant manner.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 2:33:33 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: BenLurkin

Easy to explain as Russell did not believe in evil. It contradicted his materialist philosophy.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 2:36:22 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Cicero

I suspect that Russell was an admirer of Stalin.


7 posted on 02/19/2014 2:36:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Russell, one of the 20th century’s leading pacifists

A pacifist believes that fighting is inherently evil. What the pacifist fails to realize is that is that there is a difference between fighting in self-defense and fighting as an aggressor. Because of this failure, the pacifist is an unknowing passive collaborator with evil.

We have people like Russell now. They are called "gun-control activists."

8 posted on 02/19/2014 2:43:35 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: BenLurkin
Invite Hitler to dinner?

Heck, no. He'd steal your seat.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 2:44:04 PM PST by SIDENET
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To: Repeal 16-17

Most 20th century pacifists were closet Bolsheviks.


10 posted on 02/19/2014 2:45:21 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

The brits should have parachuted russell, along with a bottle of wine and a couple of wine glasses, into berlin and told him, “have fun”.


11 posted on 02/19/2014 2:45:33 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: 353FMG

He’d also fit in with the lesser evil wing of the political right. Same mentality. He’s just an example of where we’re headed by following idiots who think as he does. And eventually we will get to his level of moralless existence.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 2:46:50 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: BenLurkin

I suspect that in history, people such as Bertrand Russell, elevated as brilliant thinkers, are in fact, defectives.

What people call intelligence is suspected of being an imperfect mutation. That is, if you have a genetic predisposition to intelligence on one side of your family tree, you get the benefits of intelligence. But if it exists on both sides, there is at least a chance that you will be an individual crippled by a lack of other capabilities.

This is not to say that you will be stupid, though you might be, but that you might have other deficiencies, such as a lack of common sense, or an inability to distinguish between objective and subjective information. Or, who knows what all else.

Take Mr. Bertrand Russell, for example. He seemed to lack understanding into many facets of human behavior obvious to the rest of us. From his point of view, then, if Nazis were to invade Britain, someone could just sit down with them and persuade them that they shouldn’t do what they are doing.

At that point, most everyone else would have the illusion of brilliance set aside, and tell themselves that Russell is obviously a defective individual.

Albert Einstein is another great example. Brilliant in physics, but utterly baffled by society to the point of thinking that socialism is a good thing.

Most people attracted to socialism are not brilliant, but are in a litany of ways, defective units. People full of neuroses, bitter hatred, severe inferiority complex that they mask as a superiority complex, etc. Moonbats and degenerates.

That Einstein was able to find common cause with such as these was a great indicator that he should have stuck with physics, and written off human affairs as beyond his ken.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 2:49:41 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: BenLurkin
There have always been EVIL people. There always will be.

That is what we, as humans, are supposed to DISCERN.
Our good Lord gave us enough brains to know the difference between two of His angels: St. Michael the Archangel and Lucifer, the light bearer and one of God's "favorites."
From the Internet: In the New Testament Saint Michael leads God's armies against Satan's forces in the Book of Revelation, where during the war in heaven he defeats Satan.

The 1973 movie, the "Exorcist," had a 12-year-old girl being possessed by Satan. It was based on a true story. In REAL life the possessed child was a 12-year-old BOY (Roland Doe) from back east.
In HIS possession he remembers VERY clearly that one of the priests struggling against the powers of darkness brought him a small statue of St. Michael the Archangel. The statue of St. Michael was put by his bedside.
Just before the demons were FINALLY driven out of him, the boy clearly remembers "seeing" St. Michael, sword and all, forcibly sending Lucifer BACK down to hell.

That it's a TRUE story scares the HOLY PIE outta me!!

14 posted on 02/19/2014 2:54:51 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: BenLurkin
Most 20th century pacifists were closet Bolsheviks.

I was referring to true-blue pacifists. A Communist/Socialist/Marxist/Bolshevik/Stalinist/Maoist who claims to be a pacifist is simply a liar, because he would be thrilled if his side attacked.

15 posted on 02/19/2014 2:56:40 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I think the defect that you refer to is “hubris”. I think it’s more an acquired than a genetic trait. People who are celebrated as geniuses may come to believe that every careless thing that comes out of their mouths is a pearl of wisdom and the unvarnished truth. Many people who aren’t celebrated as geniuses also seem to think that about themselves.


16 posted on 02/19/2014 3:01:59 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: BenLurkin
Museum of Tolerance ...
17 posted on 02/19/2014 3:19:32 PM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama’s America)
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To: Cicero
that's certainly true..ask Walter Duranty.
(NYT Chief Apologist for Stalin)

18 posted on 02/19/2014 3:25:40 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: BenLurkin

Museum of Tolerance. Oh, brother!


19 posted on 02/19/2014 3:39:18 PM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: BenLurkin

You VILL be tolerant, citizen!

Russell was a socialist from way back who traveled to Russia, met Lenin for an hour-long conversation, and came away convinced that he had heard the sounds of executions in the background. From then on he bucked the trend of his fellow socialists in condemning the Bolsheviks. But he continued to believe in planned societal models, which was the source of his initial interest in Nazism, which he also condemned on the same grounds. But he never really got over his insistence that passive resistance was the answer to all societal evils. His much later (some critics say in senility although I doubt that) firm opposition to the Vietnam war was based on the same grounds; in short, the good Professor didn't really learn any better from his own long view of history. But he truly was one of the 20th century's staggering intellects despite. That doesn't mean he couldn't be wrong about fundamental things.

20 posted on 02/19/2014 3:49:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: BenLurkin

Bertrand Russell was a fraud who hated mankind as much as he hated himself.


21 posted on 02/19/2014 3:58:00 PM PST by Misterioso ("There are two potential violators of man's rights: the criminals and the government." Ayn Rand)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Dr. Sidney Hook included in his autobiography his correspondence with Albert Einstein in the early 1950’s. Whether it was executing the Rosenbergs for atomic spying or going all kumbaya with Stalin over the H-bomb, Dr. Einstein was as naïve as a child in the woods.

Dr. Hook also thoroughly skewered Bertrand Russell for not only not being a pacifist, but for being a Red cheerleader desirous of communist victory from the Stalin era to the Korean War down to Ho Chi Minh.


22 posted on 02/19/2014 4:09:20 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: BenLurkin

Bolsheviks had definition of “Peace” that Pacifists supported: “An absence of resistance to Socialism.”


23 posted on 02/19/2014 4:29:25 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
There is a vast difference between intelligence and wisdom. People often fail to the distinguish the two. Why can someone who is ostensibly intelligent not know how to screw a nut onto a bolt? Intelligence can be impressive, but wisdom is inspiring.

I'm reminded of an old truth: An extremely well-educated, highly intelligent man without Christ is an intellectual barbarian.


24 posted on 02/19/2014 4:32:28 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: elcid1970
Bertrand Russell, Einstein, and HG Wells are examples of very smart people, but who had absolutely NO insight into the evil of socialism or communism.

They lived in a rarified intellectual circle where as the chosen elites, they could smoke their pipes and stroke their chins, and actually believe that the "little people" would somehow be better off, with the enlightened overlords telling them what to do.

Not that different from today's liberals. They're smarter than you, and know what best for you.

I'm always stunned to think that George Orwell was an avowed socialist.

He had no idea just how influential his books would become, as shining examples of why socialism is the very WORST system.

He KNEW the true nature of socialism, but couldn't quite "accept" where it would lead.

25 posted on 02/19/2014 4:36:49 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Probably Aspergers Syndrome. A lot of highly intelligent individuals have this autistic spectrum disorder, which whilst not inhibiting their general intellect, does compromise their social skills and ability to understand and empathise with other people. Unfortunately, their powerful intellects often make them arrogant, and it blinds them to their own weaknesses when it comes to understanding people, which means they come out with monumentally retarded ideas like this without doubting themselves, even to the point where they probably actually believe they are so ingenious that any difference of opinion they might have with someone with simple common sense on these matters is down to the fact that they have an elevated understanding about the human condition, rather than a dangerously stupid and flawed one...


26 posted on 02/19/2014 5:39:24 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: BenLurkin

Museum of tolerance.

Tolerance is what lead to the Cambodian killing fields, Hitler’s ovens, and Stalin’s purges. Unless I hear the word “tolerance” when it comes to my beer consumption and engineering drawings it is a word that has led the world to mayhem.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 6:55:20 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Organic Panic

Taller Ants?

I think them ants are tall enough


28 posted on 02/19/2014 7:13:38 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: 353FMG

Ahead of his time—he would have gone to the camps had the Germans invaded—if not the gas chambers. Today, people think that by being nice the foes of freedom will also act kind. They see this only as weakness and will reply with bullets or a rifle butt to the head. Islam only wants all to become narrow minded Muslims like they are. they will not even tollerate liberal thinking Islamic people—they will behead them.


29 posted on 02/19/2014 8:37:00 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: BenLurkin

Bertrand Russell was a demented atheist. I wonder how he became appointed as some kind of intellectual authority.


30 posted on 02/20/2014 1:04:13 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Misterioso
Bertrand Russell was a fraud who hated mankind as much as he hated himself.

Russell once said that the world would have been better off if the Jews had never existed.

31 posted on 02/20/2014 1:06:23 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: BenLurkin

Does this museum of tolerance hold this letter in high esteem of lofty goals to seek to attain or is it held up as a warning that sometimes such idealism would spell the doom of humanity?


32 posted on 02/20/2014 9:02:17 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: boop

Orwell changed a great deal over time. As a young man he wrote saccharine poetry as he fought alongside the Spanish socialists in that country’s civil war: “No bomb that ever bursts shatters the crystal spirit,” he wrote. (I think that’s from Homage To Catalonia)

But as an older man he saw where the Russian experiment with socialism, at least, had gone awry because of human nature itself. From this time in his life we get Animal Farm and of course Nineteen Eighty-Four. By this time Orwell knew all too well that he had been naive. Winston Smith protests to O’Brien in 1984 that the spirit of humanity will ultimately defeat The Party, but we know how Smith ended up. O’Brien taught him the future of humanity is a boot stomping on a human face, forever. Crystal spirit, shattered.

He remained a sort of socialist, but clearly of the “Swedish not Soviet” sort.


33 posted on 02/20/2014 10:29:38 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
But...but...he won a Nobel prize....
34 posted on 02/20/2014 11:06:12 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: pogo101
"He remained a sort of socialist, but clearly of the “Swedish not Soviet” sort."

Maybe so, but the Swedes are becoming VERY weakened in their brand of socialism. And there are barbarians at their gate.

In fact, a huge number INSIDE their gate.

Sadly I think that their softness will be their downfall.

35 posted on 02/20/2014 11:09:50 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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