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The Ruins of the Borscht Belt ( A ghostly chaise at Grossingerís,Concord...)
Tablet ^ | 2/19/14 | Marisa Schienfeld

Posted on 02/19/2014 5:33:36 PM PST by sushiman

I grew up in “the mountains” or, as others called it, “the country”—as if no other mountain or country existed. In fact, it was Sullivan County, N.Y., about 90 miles northwest of New York City and an area of the Catskills centered on the town of Monticello that from the 1920s through the 1970s represented a retreat for millions of city-dwellers, predominantly Jewish American. The locale was first developed in the late 1800s with tanneries, lumberyards, and farms that eventually became boarding houses and hotels.

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So sad ...Stunning photos ...
1 posted on 02/19/2014 5:33:36 PM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman

Dang, my brother worked a summer at Grossinger’s in the Seventies.


2 posted on 02/19/2014 5:44:56 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: sushiman

A Walk on the Moon is a great (R) coming- of-age movie about a summer at a borscht belt resort in the Catskills at the cusp of many changes. Diane Lan, Liev Schreiber, Viggo Mortensen.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 5:49:28 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: sushiman

Amazing. I actually assumed all these places still existed. I remember one of my Jewish friends in college had a little clock that looked like a log and had “Grossinger’s” written on it.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 6:01:14 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: sushiman

once jackie mason is gone schtick will be dead.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 6:08:25 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: sushiman

Sad it wasn’t kept up, this was a piece of American History. Many performers honed their acts there. When radio, and then television was develped, there was a gold mine of talent already developed from years performing here. Those were the people that made radio and television what it is.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 6:11:31 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: sushiman
...from a time when discriminatory policies made it difficult for Jews to travel freely across America

When was this? What were the policies?
7 posted on 02/19/2014 6:21:18 PM PST by posterchild
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To: kaehurowing

“I actually assumed all these places still existed.”

You can still buy Grossinger’s Rye bread, I was shocked at that photo.

That part of NY is beautiful, superb really. I don’t really understand what happened that these resorts are all ruined now.


8 posted on 02/19/2014 6:31:57 PM PST by jocon307
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To: informavoracious

I’ve got to watch that someday.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 6:32:25 PM PST by jocon307
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To: posterchild

In the first half of the 20th century (and even a bit later), it was not uncommon for hotels and resorts to have “No Jews” policies.


10 posted on 02/19/2014 6:33:05 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Dirty Dancing” (1987) was quite a lookback.

Upstate New York is so beautiful. Easy to see why the Catskills & Poconos were such romantic getaways & honeymoon sites.


11 posted on 02/19/2014 6:34:03 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: posterchild

“When was this? What were the policies?”

There was a lot of discrimination against Jews. I think the movie “Gentleman’s Agreement” is about that. But someone will correct me if I’m wrong.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 6:34:26 PM PST by jocon307
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To: posterchild

...from a time when discriminatory policies made it difficult for Jews to travel freely across America

When was this? What were the policies?


These agreements and understandings existed up into the early sixties. I’m 62, and I remember as a kid the tension when trying to find places to staywhen traveling.

In the fifties and sixties, many of our families went to Atlantic City. I still remember the Kosher decals in the windows of many of the eateries.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 6:55:36 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: jocon307; posterchild
There was a lot of discrimination against Jews. I think the movie “Gentleman’s Agreement” is about that. But someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

"School Ties" (with Brendan Fraser) was an updated version of this, I think.

14 posted on 02/19/2014 6:58:35 PM PST by thecodont
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To: sushiman

This would be worth seeing if it was simply decay and neglect. But these pictures look like vandalism.


15 posted on 02/19/2014 7:05:21 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: informavoracious

“coming-of-age movie” = a description that should be banned


16 posted on 02/19/2014 7:06:37 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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Bildungsroman?


17 posted on 02/19/2014 7:19:24 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: jocon307
I don’t really understand what happened that these resorts are all ruined now.Low jet airfare and air conditioning. Easier to get far away and cooler even if you don't.
18 posted on 02/19/2014 7:21:27 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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So sad ...Stunning photos ...

Uhhhhhhh...where are they?

19 posted on 02/19/2014 7:31:28 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: informavoracious

Why do people always want me to look up words?

That means the same thing. lol.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 7:41:23 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: sushiman
Never mind. I found the link.

For others, click the "postage stamp" picture immediately below the top picture.

Apt parallel to the Borscht Belt: Negro League Baseball.

21 posted on 02/19/2014 7:43:05 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: GeronL

But it’s not overused!


22 posted on 02/19/2014 7:44:32 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: informavoracious

lol. true


23 posted on 02/19/2014 8:26:57 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: sushiman

There was a resort in Northern Arkansas that a friend took me to a few months back. He said it was a big deal in the 40s but now there’s nothing there. I can’t remember the name of it.

Another resort in Arkansas that went belly up was Dogpatch, USA.


24 posted on 02/19/2014 8:50:19 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: thecodont

“School Ties” (with Brendan Fraser) was an updated version of this, I think.”

Interesting, I’ve never heard of that movie.

Maybe THIS summer I’ll do what I’ve meant to so many times and make a movie play list for myself and just watch a bunch of movies that I mean to watch.

Set up some Saturday night double features, etc.


25 posted on 02/19/2014 9:44:10 PM PST by jocon307
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To: okie01

“...where are they?”

Yes, that was unclear. You have to click the photo to the left and underneath the main photo, it says “view slideshow” or something like that.

It’s worth it, the photos are good, even if sad and creepy.


26 posted on 02/19/2014 9:47:01 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Air conditioning. City dwellers no longer had to escape to the Catskills to escape stifling NYC summer heat.


27 posted on 02/19/2014 10:10:12 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“City dwellers no longer had to escape to the Catskills to escape stifling NYC summer heat.”

That makes as much sense as anything I guess. NYC was and is sweltering in the summer.


28 posted on 02/19/2014 10:20:56 PM PST by jocon307
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There was a lot of discrimination against Jews. I think the movie “Gentleman’s Agreement” is about that. But someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

You are not wrong. I was raised in villages throughout western upstate New York, not large enough to have any Jewish component, so I had no indoctrination into antisemitism. But in my early adult life, I lived in/near towns and cities large enough to have a minyan of bar-mitzvahed males (hence one or more synagogues/mikvahs), and I began to see the negative sensitivity to a Jewish culture amongst the non-Jewish segment.

At first, it was a puzzle to me. When I went to Syracuse U, I liked to date Jewish girls, because they seemed to be warmer and less phony. But I also felt a lot of resistance among my citified fraternity pals toward this preference of mine.

In the end, I had to recognize the injustice of discrimination, to stand on principle, and to act vocally to bring several of the brothers into chagrin and shame-faced compliance for trying to blackball a couple of Jewish pledges. The success in lecturing that meeting into fairness broke the unspoken (but always present) inflexible bar to enrolling Jewish pledges.

Out of those first two, one "brotherized" pledge became a fellow National Guardsman patriot, and the other an internationally known media personality, unique in his fairness to Islamists. For that stance on behalf of those two, I was mocked rest of my college stay in the fraternity that claimed brotherly love and truth in human dealings to be its founding principles.

No, you were not wrong. But I think the photographs in the original article here could be seen as a metaphor of the effect of Hollywood, radio, and TV in bringing a greater interweaving of Jewishness into the tapestry of American history.

But it is true that the rejection of Jews came largely through their clannishness and rejection of assimilation, a very biblical foundation of their uniqueness. While one may contemplate cultural blending using terms like "European-American" or "African-American," etc.; there is no such definition for an individual of Hebrew extraction. You may encounter an American Jew, but there is no such entity as a "Jewish-American."

And the rest of the American "melting-pot" hoi polloi doesn't like the attitude of Jews who neither wish to merge or share their cultural basis.

29 posted on 02/20/2014 3:12:28 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: maine yankee

I’m in my 40’s (and not jewish) and had no idea this once happened in the USA. Was it routine to show an ID when checking into hotels back then?


30 posted on 02/20/2014 7:04:06 PM PST by posterchild
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It was usually more casual than that. An inkeeper or desk manager would look at the style of clothes,haircuts, accents.

If after filling out a reg card, it was discovered the last name was ‘stien’ or ‘berg’ or something similar, a mistake would be found. There were suddenly no rooms available.


31 posted on 02/21/2014 7:26:52 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: posterchild
For better, or for worse, Americans still had the right of free association and could (and did) refuse service to any one they damn pleased, for whatever damn reason they wanted.

I'm old enough to remember when Jews had to use a "beard" in order to buy property in certain N.H. resort areas.

32 posted on 02/21/2014 7:36:24 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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