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'There's no room for anything manly now': Feminist speaks out AGAINST the loss of masculine virtues
The London Daily Mail ^ | December 29, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 02/19/2014 10:31:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Our society is neutering boys of their maleness at a young age, while the lack of people with military experience in important positions is a recipe for disaster, claims Camille Paglia, the controversial lesbian author and social critic.

Self-described ‘dissident feminist’ Paglia, 66, believes that attempts to deny the biological distinctions between men and women is to blame for the much that is wrong with modern society.

'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide’ she told the Wall Street Journal.

Paglia, a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, is well known for her critical views on many aspects of modern culture, including feminism and liberalism.

She recently spoke out in support of Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson, supporting his right to express homophobic views.

‘In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality – as I one hundred percent do.

'If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again, they have a right of religious freedom there.' she told Laura Ingraham’s radio show last week.

Paglia, who is promoting her latest book, Glittering Images: A Journey Through Art From Egypt To Star Wars, told the WSJ that the diminished status of military service in people in important positions is a big mistake.....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 02/19/2014 10:31:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I started following Camille Paglia when I found out she hates Hillary Clinton.

'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' kinda thing.

2 posted on 02/19/2014 10:37:33 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Camille Paglia doesn’t forget where she came from, as so many do.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 10:50:46 PM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Revolting cat!

How do you think the wussy word “Man Cave” entered the vernacular?

When I grew up, it was simply known as “the den”.

Putting the word “Man” in front of it surrenders all of the rest of the territory. “Cave” also implies regressive neanderthal mentality.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 11:11:12 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Michael.SF.
I didn't know she was a lesbian....

she's right of course....

too few really strong men in the military, and the ones leading us now are no more than perfumed little princesses who keep promoting themselves...

why else would they allow open homos to be in the same barracks as normal young men...

we recently had a friend and co volunteer in our wildlife conservation group pass on...he was older....

I keep thinking to myself..."how are we ever going to replace these guys"....we don't have the young men of virtue and knowhow and guts we did even 30 yrs ago...you know the type of man....the type who wears boots when he's working...knows how to fix things and how to use tools...able to get along with other men without it being a competition....willing to do free work for a good cause...

I am proud to say my husband is such a man.....but there's getting to be too few of him....

5 posted on 02/19/2014 11:12:36 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Our society is neutering boys of their maleness at a young age ...

Not my grandson! If he has anything to say about it. It's a strange thing. It's almost like he knows what he's up against. 3 going on 4.

6 posted on 02/19/2014 11:13:02 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We all watch the same TV shows, talk like women and misbehave like little boys... isn’t that appealing?

“we”


7 posted on 02/19/2014 11:13:08 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: a fool in paradise
“Cave” also implies regressive neanderthal mentality.

You say that like it's a bad thing. But you know, it was the Cro-Magnons ( us ) that did the cave thing. So how about a PROgressive CRO-MAGNON mentality, eh? WOOF!

8 posted on 02/19/2014 11:37:09 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: cherry

She has been open about being a lesbian for decades now. When she first rode to fame over 20 years ago now [ with her controversial book Sexual Personae ] she mentioned this. Paglia is part of the Left with the only difference that she respects the Right to have a place at the table. She was very vocal about the hijacking of the feminist movement by Steinem & others whom she refers to as Stalinist. What is refreshing about Paglia is that she is a thinking feminist & not the cookie cutter left wing controlled type often witnessed. Recently she has lauded Eminem over Gaga as being more true to art. She is an art critic after all.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 11:47:04 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK, some validity to this, but don’t forget that men don’t actually require permission to be men. That’s kinda the point. It helps if they’re taught properly, but I think a lot of it is, or should be, instinctive. And the response to someone who doesn’t think you should be masculine is ignoring them or “F You” depending on the situation.


10 posted on 02/19/2014 11:49:33 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dr_lew
"Not my grandson! If he has anything to say about it. It's a strange thing. It's almost like he knows what he's up against. 3 going on 4."

By the time that boy's out of elementary school, he'll be force fed estrogen until he breaks, or he'll be led away in cuffs by Social Services for insisting on being male.

11 posted on 02/19/2014 11:54:44 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This country is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

At least, it used to be a constitutional republic. Now we’re on the fast track to Communism.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 12:32:45 AM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First they castrate American manhood, then complain that no one any longer has any balls.

America’s liberated women in a nutshell.


13 posted on 02/20/2014 1:40:23 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

I guess if women like this really got their way, if they ever felt like getting pregnant, all they need to do is ask permission from the government first to do so...

You know, it’ll turn into a visit to the local pregnancy office staffed by the cast offs of the DMV, Walmart greeters and TSA rejects...You go there, fill out a form, take a number, wait 4-6 hours, get an interview, be told of ALL the options to NOT get pregnant, and then...

Be able to choose from a library of questionable pictures and bio’s of some “hunka-sauruses” that they’ll tell you have made “deposits” at there facility...

Then a HHS certified “doctor” will artificially inseminate you and BOOM!!! you’ll be pregnant...

At which point, you will be asked per the deals in your “Pregnancy Package” deal for your scheduled oil changes, gender determination benchmark, hair color, intelligence, genetic attributes...

And if somehow there is a problem with the “fetus”, as part of this “deal” you will be urged to abort this “thing” and be given a discounted rate on a “re-insemination” clause in the contract....

Whatever happened to the good ole days where two people fell in love, actually got married, did the “wild thang” and created life in the traditional manner???

No wonder there has to be a low, overall sperm count in this country...There are not enough of us real men with cajones to sustain the genetic toughness that was once a dominant feature of the male gender in this country until recently...

Sorry if I went a little off the beaten path this morning, but I just feel this is yet one more thing that is proven how far gone, and destructive to its very existence, this country has taken its course...


14 posted on 02/20/2014 1:48:11 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think what Paglia is saying is men need a ‘right of passage’ to know they have become men. For many men, military experience serves that purpose.

Electing men who have not had any military experience or some other life altering event which makes them become men, is to allow men who do not know who or what they are to govern. And so we get weeping politicians whose words and actions are not much more that the whimsical actions of a young boy ... and so are malleable by whatever the latest fashion, political view point, or zeitgeist which comes along.


15 posted on 02/20/2014 2:26:16 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: a fool in paradise

Man Cave doesn’t surrender the rest of the territory as you state. At least in a real home with real men. Not sure how you came up with that analogy and continuing on I guess the “den” was the only room for men when you grew up.

I have a man cave and proud of it. It’s one of my garages and actual work gets done, Harley’s, guns, cars, TV, stereo and a large supply of beers in the fridge and when we have guest over, they all end up in it eventually vice the normal kitchen crowd regardless of the season.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 2:27:19 AM PST by maddog55
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To: Jack Hammer

They are being raised up in conservative homes right now. They should be hatched here in just avfew years but be careful what you wished for because they will be unseating you feminists (who everyone is tired of listening to) and and removing your co-horts (the LGBT groups) from power.


17 posted on 02/20/2014 3:08:30 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guessed it was Paglia from the title. I don’t always agree with her, but she’s a fun read and at least intellectually honest, especially compared to the general standard of the left in general and feminists in particular.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 3:45:57 AM PST by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Jack Hammer
Camille Paglia, the controversial lesbian author and social critic, and self-described ‘dissident feminist'. Paglia believes that attempts to deny the biological distinctions between men and women is to blame for the much that is wrong with modern society.

Pot, meet kettle. Does she really understand the problem, or is she trying to sell another book? SHE, AS A LESBIAN, IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

19 posted on 02/20/2014 3:56:17 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (If you want to know who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You sure can tell Obama never served in the military.


20 posted on 02/20/2014 4:02:57 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: cherry

Something I have noticed and it is completely anecdotal, but there don’t seem to be as many young white guys in construction/heavy machinery jobs now. I see older men and Hispanics. And a lot of men no longer even know how to change the oil on their cars. Of course, cars are so computerized now but still, just the basics that all men used to be able to do.


21 posted on 02/20/2014 4:06:13 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have lamented the emasculation of men for years. Used to be a Feminist. Woke up. Now I fight everything they want, at every turn. They are integral in the destruction of our once great country.


22 posted on 02/20/2014 4:12:31 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: Still Thinking
... but don’t forget that men don’t actually require permission to be men.

I mention that occasionally. The responses usually have to do with superpowers wielded by "feminists," causing everything bad on earth.

I wish I was a feminist. Then maybe I could make my teenagers get out of bed and get some work done.

23 posted on 02/20/2014 4:27:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d throw my coat across a puddle to help Miss Paglia cross the street. It’s a pity that no gentleman ever won her heart and hand and that they didn’t raise many children. May God bless her.


24 posted on 02/20/2014 4:27:39 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: a fool in paradise

How do you think the wussy word “Man Cave” entered the vernacular?

When I grew up, it was simply known as “the den”.


Yes, but that was a shorthand term for a wild animal’s retreat (lion’s den).

So the step up from den to cave is one from the beasts to primitive man!


25 posted on 02/20/2014 5:35:22 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: a fool in paradise
Putting the word “Man” in front of it surrenders all of the rest of the territory.

I was on Jury Duty yesterday and they have now renamed the Jury Foreman to Jury Foreperson.
26 posted on 02/20/2014 6:06:00 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: a fool in paradise
How do you think the wussy word “Man Cave” entered the vernacular?

vernacular

27 posted on 02/20/2014 6:14:49 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Still Thinking

SIngle motherhood and public schools; that’s a lot of pressure against instinct.


28 posted on 02/20/2014 6:50:00 AM PST by MikeyB806
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To: dr_lew
I see it in the 8 and 9 year old boys who play on the basketball team I coach. The town league makes us stop putting points on the scoreboard when our team is winning by 15 points. They don't want to hurt the other teams feelings. I have a few tough kids on my team but most of them will start crying if I raise my voice a little bit. It's nothing like when I played 36 years ago. My coaches use to physically rough us up and scream at us. They would be in jail if they tried that today.
29 posted on 02/20/2014 6:54:50 AM PST by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; originalbuckeye
"Used to be a Feminist. Woke up. Now I fight everything they want, at every turn."

Originalbuckeye, I tried to respond to your post but I kept getting kicked back to the top of the thread. Sorry, 2ndDV.

I have a friend who is a lifelong conservative and an evangelical Christian, married with 3 kids. Recently she went on a rant against sexism and men who treat women "like possessions". Said she has a problem with the Bible's language concerning women, and that she has decided she is a "conservative feminist."

I don't know where any of that stuff came from. But it started to get personal when she said that it's fine for me to think my husband is head of the house, but she and her husband love & respect each other too much for that.

We're still sort of tiptoeing around each other, like cats about to fight.

30 posted on 02/20/2014 7:00:20 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Tax-chick

No doubt! You could probably levitate them out of bed and they’d go about the house robotically cleaning and doing chores with this unknowing zombie look on their faces! Oh, to be a feminist!


31 posted on 02/20/2014 7:06:07 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; GeronL
The author, who along with her ex-partner Alison Maddex, is raising an 11-year-old son Lucian, believes that the way many schools have cut recess is ‘making a toxic environment for boys.’

‘Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters,’ she said.

The decline of America's industrial base is another factor that the author believes is leaving many men with ‘no models of manhood.'


32 posted on 02/20/2014 8:43:22 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: CatherineofAragon
Something happened to her recently that has changed her thinking. Democrats spout Feminist rhetoric but frequently don't live it. Good luck to you......I have walked away from a few good friends who used Alinsky’s tactics (ridicule, bullying) on me. We are longer friends. I don't miss them.
33 posted on 02/20/2014 10:14:54 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: a fool in paradise

One way to help a boy grow up manly, lady, is to have a father in the house!


34 posted on 02/20/2014 11:24:11 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paglia is dead on with her assertions, but what she highlights is but one more manifestation of the baleful effects of Cultural Marxism upon nearly EVERY institution of our society and culture.


35 posted on 02/20/2014 12:19:46 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: originalbuckeye

Thank you.


36 posted on 02/20/2014 4:37:12 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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