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New police training puts fewer limits on use of force
The Santa Fe New Mexican ^ | February 16, 2014 | Uriel J. Garcia

Posted on 02/20/2014 10:43:49 AM PST by Altariel

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To: GraceG

No matter. I was referring to the image.


41 posted on 02/20/2014 11:36:02 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“This is a cop-hating website.”

I guess the converse of that is you are a tyranny loving poster?


42 posted on 02/20/2014 11:39:55 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Altariel

Memo to Self: When in New Mexico remember that the police are more dangerous than the criminals!


43 posted on 02/20/2014 11:42:03 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: Altariel

Reduced training reduces redundancy? Who is this idiot at the police academy? The only training new cops seem to be getting is “shoot first and say you were threatened later.”


44 posted on 02/20/2014 11:42:35 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: CodeToad

See post 38.

And don’t try and make things personal against me or anyone else who is simply making an unbiased observation


45 posted on 02/20/2014 11:45:27 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; McGruff

This video was taken of a SWAT team in Tucson Arizona. Does it make you A) trust the police, or B) worried?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak&feature=youtu.be

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2728068/posts


46 posted on 02/20/2014 11:46:38 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

‘I neither defend or deny that Free Republic is a cop hating website.’

Now you’re lying.


47 posted on 02/20/2014 11:50:20 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

OK, mind reader.

Do I believe Free Republic IS a cop hating website.

or

Do I believe Free Republic IS NOT a cop hating website.


48 posted on 02/20/2014 11:52:48 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Altariel

“....one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard....”

There is something very demented about that.


49 posted on 02/20/2014 11:53:58 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Mr Rogers

There are good cops and there are bad cops. Not all are good and not all are bad. Always has been that way. On a side note, this site was dedicated to discussing politics not good cop bad cop.


50 posted on 02/20/2014 11:54:49 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: Altariel
“The guys who are into all this weightlifting all too often resort to physical interaction with a suspect before they have exhausted the verbal interaction,”

Talking is great if you can reason with a person. But it always helps the reasoning process if the person is aware that if they resort to violence it is not going to work out well for them.

Certainly women are good at reasoning with men, but what about when they encounter an unreasonable man?
Which is usually the situation when police assistance is requested.

51 posted on 02/20/2014 12:03:19 PM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is Obama's Great Leap Forward)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I neither defend or deny that Free Republic is a cop hating website.

Speaking for myself here, I grew up in California dealing with police and social workers breaking into the house at all hours of the night. They don't need warrants to do that. Then because the cops knew me and decided that since my mother was on meth so was I they would stop me and search me whenever they saw me.

Then I got married and we moved to Wyoming. The cops here are polite and courteous and they can be VERY helpful. For instance, when two armed California Franchise Tax Board agents showed up on our property in Wyoming to demand that we prove that we lived in Wyoming we called the Park County Sheriff's Department and they not only told the FTB guys to "f*** off" they told them that if they showed up on our property again we could shoot them as trespassers.

So am I a cop hater? No, I don't hate people who enforce the law. I do hate people who wear badges and who think they get to make up the law as they go along. They're just thugs with badges, an armed gang.

I'd like to think that Judge Dredd is just fictional but anymore it seems too many people with badges are bent on making Dredd look tame.

There's an old saying that a 'conservative is a liberal who got mugged' and I'm thinking you're just one false arrest or police beating away from seeing things the same way I do.

52 posted on 02/20/2014 12:05:47 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: MeganC; AlmaKing

Thank you Meagan for that story. Sounds like you cleaned up your life since your California days.

A month or so ago when I said what I’m saying today; Free Republic is a cop hating website and I neither deny or defend that fact, I got push back. And same thing today.

One moron just called me a liar. Am I lying that is IS? Or am I lying that it ISN’T?

Apparently she doesn’t know. She has not answered me. But she knows I’m a liar.

Hoo Boy.


53 posted on 02/20/2014 12:15:00 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: McGruff
Bad cops are political. They are public employees acting in our name.

/johnny

54 posted on 02/20/2014 12:18:12 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: McGruff

Pervasive excessive use of force by law enforcement is a political issue.

The cops work for us. This is our country and our government. We control it, it does not control us.

That’s why these stories are posted and discussed. Our government and our paid enforcers are out of control and need to be put back in their place.


55 posted on 02/20/2014 12:21:25 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Responsibility2nd; AlmaKing

I guess I should clarify that I don’t hate people with badges who enforce the law. However, I LOATHE people with badges who BREAK the law and then get away with it because the other people with badges won’t enforce the law when one of their own breaks it.

I ask: Of the police who mistakenly shot up trucks all over Los Angeles during the Dorner affair, how many of them were even suspended without pay for the attempted murder of law abiding citizens? (It’s a trick question).

I also ask: Had they not been cops what would have happened to them for what they did?

And then I ask: Why are they above the law they enforce on others?

It seems that I am not alone in asking these questions on Free Republic and it does not make me a ‘cop hater’ because I point out things that cops really do and I point out the fact that, all too often, other cops do nothing when confronted by the presence of criminals in their ranks.

I love liberty and I hate all of the enemies of liberty.

I value my liberty because I’ve been deprived of it more times than I can count.

I also fear for my children if they ever have to deal with the militarized police that seem to be dominating the police departments of this nation.

What else to say but I support FR because FR supports liberty. If cops support liberty then I expect FR to support cops. If some cops oppose liberty then I expect FR to oppose those cops.

Does that make sense?


56 posted on 02/20/2014 12:28:11 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: null and void

just what we need/s


57 posted on 02/20/2014 12:46:47 PM PST by Nifster
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To: McGruff

There is nothing wrong in pointing out bad behavior by cops. Shooting at a fleeing van is bad behavior. It is rarely appropriate to shoot at cars.

That IS a political issue. The behavior of the police has always been the responsibility of the politicians. It is a government function, and our politicians need to answer for how the cops act.

I’m in the county where the SWAT team fired over 70 shots at the guy who had not been found guilty of any crime. Our Palin-hating county sheriff is a Democrat tool who has been sheriff since 1980. He is no friend to freedom.


58 posted on 02/20/2014 12:49:44 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Altariel
This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations.

Hey, asshole -- the lives of officers, while precious and not to be thrown away, are NOT to be saved at the cost of increased fatalities among innocent civilians!!!!! If you don't like the job on those terms, get one that you're more suited to. Asshole. Oxygen thief.

59 posted on 02/20/2014 4:30:07 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: MeganC
Then I got married and we moved to Wyoming. The cops here are polite and courteous and they can be VERY helpful. For instance, when two armed California Franchise Tax Board agents showed up on our property in Wyoming to demand that we prove that we lived in Wyoming we called the Park County Sheriff's Department and they not only told the FTB guys to "f*** off" they told them that if they showed up on our property again we could shoot them as trespassers.

Sounds like time to move to Wyoming!

60 posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:16 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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