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Proposal to divide California into 6 states moves step closer to voter consideration
Daily Journal ^ | 02/20/2014 | MICHAEL R. BLOOD

Posted on 02/20/2014 4:29:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind

LOS ANGELES — California has reached the breaking point. Or so says Tim Draper, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist who is pushing a proposal to crack the nation's most populous state into pieces.

Six of them, in this case.

California has grown so big, so divided, it's essentially ungovernable, according to a ballot initiative that could reach voters in November.

It has to go.

"Vast parts of our state are poorly served by a representative government," according to Draper's plan, which cleared a key government hurdle this week to qualify for the ballot. California residents "would be better served by six smaller state governments."

No one would dispute that California, home to 38 million people, is full of rivalries and squabbling. Dodgers or Giants. Tacos or sushi. Where water goes, and how much of it.

But the state has proven reliably resilient against attempts to split it apart, dating to the era of its founding in 1850. Over the years, proposals have suggested California should be two states, or three, or four.

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KEYWORDS: california; cultureofcorruption; democrattakeover; howtostealanelection; secession; sixcalifornias; unfairtotexas
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1 posted on 02/20/2014 4:29:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

YES PLEASE!

All I need to know is which of these new states will be red and not blue, then I will start paying for moving trucks.


2 posted on 02/20/2014 4:30:15 PM PST by InsidiousMongo
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To: SeekAndFind

Knee jerk reactions are always a good idea. /s


3 posted on 02/20/2014 4:31:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

NOTE, The proposal would divide California into:

* Silicon Valley, which would include San Francisco and nearby counties that are home to technology giants like Facebook and Apple.

* West California, which also would include the coastal cities of Santa Barbara and Ventura and of course, Los Angeles

* The state’s farming heartland would become Central California. This would encompass much of the states desert region, including Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton to the state’s border with Nevada.

* South California ( which includes San Diego ). Also Irvine and Riverside, and stretch from the coast to the border with Arizona.

* North California would include a smaller chunk of land, with Sacramento

* Jefferson would be the most northern state, including Chico, Redding and Eureka up to the Oregon border.


4 posted on 02/20/2014 4:33:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: InsidiousMongo

While we are at it, why don’t we merge Vermont into New York and say sayonara to Senators Leahy and Sanders. Vermont was part of New York to begin with.


5 posted on 02/20/2014 4:33:30 PM PST by forgotten man
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To: cripplecreek

NOTE, The proposal would divide California into:

* Silicon Valley, which would include San Francisco and nearby counties that are home to technology giants like Facebook and Apple.

* West California, which also would include the coastal cities of Santa Barbara and Ventura and of course, Los Angeles

* The state’s farming heartland would become Central California. This would encompass much of the states desert region, including Bakersfield, Fresno and Stockton to the state’s border with Nevada.

* South California ( which includes San Diego ). Also Irvine and Riverside, and stretch from the coast to the border with Arizona.

* North California would include a smaller chunk of land, with Sacramento

* Jefferson would be the most northern state, including Chico, Redding and Eureka up to the Oregon border.

SEE MAP HERE:

http://sixcalifornias.com/


6 posted on 02/20/2014 4:34:17 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Good idea. California is way too arrogant and reducing its size would reduce its reach across the country and across the world. It’d also screw up Governor Brown’s ideas for high speed rail and his plan to siphon most of Northern California’s water to LA with his delta tunnels project.


7 posted on 02/20/2014 4:35:35 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: forgotten man

Merging? What we’re thinking of in Long Island is SECEDING from New York State. We already have a study group seriously looking at it:

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_(proposed_state)


8 posted on 02/20/2014 4:35:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Los Angeles would become part of the new state of West California, which also would include the coastal cities of Santa Barbara and Ventura.

That alone will cause me to vote against it. I live near Ventura and now we at least have a chance of electing Republicans. LA and Santa Barbara would place that "state" permanently under Marxist control.

9 posted on 02/20/2014 4:36:22 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: MeganC

10 posted on 02/20/2014 4:37:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Do you really want my idiot neighbors to get ten more senators? That sounds like a horrible idea. Imagine ten more Barbara Boxers in Washington. I get the heebeegeebees just thinking about it.


11 posted on 02/20/2014 4:38:12 PM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am all for it.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 4:38:43 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Redcloak

That would t happen. F and B would both be Silicon Valley, the rest of the states would elect normal people.


13 posted on 02/20/2014 4:40:39 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: cripplecreek

Would the democrats lose electoral votes?


14 posted on 02/20/2014 4:41:48 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Redcloak

I have yet to see a time when making government bigger was a good thing.


15 posted on 02/20/2014 4:41:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since democrats now run the state, don’t be surprised when their plan is to create one large (in area) conservative state (Central Valley, desert, mountain, way north of San Fran bay... MAYBE San Diego)), and five smaller liberal ones:

1. Pelosia-Marin, (north of San Fran)
2. Free-to-do-as-you-please-no-matter-how-sick (San Francisco itself)
3. Hippie Panther (Oakland-Berkeley, east bay area)
4. El Norte Mexicana (Los Angeles basin)
5. Eco-Coastopia (Big Sur-Santa Barbara).

That will add 8 more democrats to the us senate (they have two now) and 2 possibly conservatives to the Senate.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 4:42:31 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: SeekAndFind

The progressives will NEVER let this power base scrivel...
Even IF mexifornos want it to..

Remove their power from their COLD DEAD HANDS.. And nothing LESS..

Course SOME counties Could succeed... from the State and form a new State..
But the feds wouldn’t allow that either..

Cloward-Piven is brilliant the Coup D-Etat is quite complete..
America is no longer a republic it’s a democracy..

ONLY a Civil War can shake the behemoth...
Did I say (( ONLY ))..... You know.. BLOOD and everything..


17 posted on 02/20/2014 4:42:38 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: svcw

wed have2-3 californias that would be republican/conservative.

at least conservatives would have representation at long, long last.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: svcw

Two states. Rural California would be a red state with an agricultural and manufacturing base. Urban California would remain blue, show biz and high tech and gay.


19 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:49 PM PST by Argus
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To: SeekAndFind
At last obama might have his state count right. </sarc
20 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:50 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: dragonblustar

They’ll pick up electoral votes by splitting up other states.


21 posted on 02/20/2014 4:43:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: hosepipe

Well, Tim Draper, the proponent, received approval from the state to begin collecting petition signatures to qualify the proposal for the ballot — he needs about 808,000 by mid-July 2014 to make the cut.


22 posted on 02/20/2014 4:52:45 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not sure 10 more senators from California is a good idea.


23 posted on 02/20/2014 4:59:01 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Argus

Remove the Bay Area, and Cailfornia is more conservative than people think


24 posted on 02/20/2014 5:02:36 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: SeekAndFind

I would support it. Looks like all the San Fran crazies are bunched up in one state and would probably result in 3 republican leaning states and 3 rat dominated states. This is very much a silicon valley play though as it looks like they want to separate from the rest of Kalifornia and make that their own little play ground.

The problem with something like this is the devil is in the details, for example how do you allocate the state pension funds and responsibility for paying all those fat pensioners? And does everyone start off with the same set of laws or is the slate wiped clean and newly elected representatives have to rush to create new laws. Or how about the state constitution for each of these and who is going to write them? Also I don’t see any of the new states except for the SV one being economically viable enough to stand on their own.

All that said I’d vote for it anyway just to be able to sit and watch the disaster unfold right in front of me, just need to practice up on my zombie Apocalypse a little to be fully prepared ;)


25 posted on 02/20/2014 5:03:36 PM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: hosepipe
scrivel...?
26 posted on 02/20/2014 5:03:51 PM PST by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

AH, JUST RETURN CALIFORNIA BACK TO MEXICO.


27 posted on 02/20/2014 5:03:58 PM PST by Vinylly
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To: VerySadAmerican

By the time the democrats got done there would be 300 senators in DC.


28 posted on 02/20/2014 5:08:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Redcloak

The way the map is drawn up to four of the new states
would likely be more conservative than liberal.


29 posted on 02/20/2014 5:13:00 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: SeekAndFind

NO! That means 12 more senators from kalifornia.


30 posted on 02/20/2014 5:18:03 PM PST by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

10 more senators, not 12.


31 posted on 02/20/2014 5:20:32 PM PST by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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32 posted on 02/20/2014 5:22:17 PM PST by RedMDer
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To: Osage Orange

scrivel...?


meant shrivel..... scrivel came out...


33 posted on 02/20/2014 5:33:50 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Redcloak

You’re forgetting that the reason Boxer gets elected — the San Francisco Bay area and Los Angeles with their concentrations of committed leftists and low-information voters on the ‘Rat plantation, respectively — will only be influencing senatorial elections in two of the proposed six states.

I think the design was supposed to make this feasible to get through Congress by creating two reliably “blue” states, two reliably “red” states and two toss-ups. I’m not sure it succeeds, I think it looks like three reliably “blue”, two reliably “red” and one toss-up, but even that would keep the status quo in the Senate and would be a big plus in Presidential elections.


34 posted on 02/20/2014 5:40:14 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: hosepipe
I knew.

Actually like scrivel better....!!!

35 posted on 02/20/2014 5:45:15 PM PST by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not too big, it’s too liberal. Wouldn’t most of the created states still be Democrat-controlled? If so, then wouldn’t even more liberal senators be going to DC?


36 posted on 02/20/2014 6:01:42 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind
This nonsense has been around before. Before, it was a divide into two states.

This AIN'T gonna happen. Think of trying to add MORE stars to the flag; think of the added congressmen and senators. Way not practical or necessary. It is ALL just hot air blowing from giant GAS bags.

37 posted on 02/20/2014 6:15:32 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: MeganC
So, instead of two Senators, California would send twelve to Congress. Eight of those would be Dems, maybe four Pubbies. You like adding four more Rats to work with Obama? Then of course Dem planners would see the smaller geographic bastions to turn and in a few years all twelve would be Dems. You still like this idea?

Of course this whole exercise is bogus. Cannot happen without other State's approval and Cali would never get it.

38 posted on 02/20/2014 6:32:03 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Alas Babylon!
maybe this map will help 2012 Election Returns By County
39 posted on 02/20/2014 6:33:38 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Alas Babylon!
maybe this map will help....2012 election returns by county. 2012 Election Returns By County
40 posted on 02/20/2014 6:36:54 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: SeekAndFind

So.... since I live in Sonoma County, I would be in “North California”.

I have no idea if this would help or hurt me.???


41 posted on 02/20/2014 6:40:27 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: MeganC

So, it’s a good idea to give those people 12 senators, rather than 2? That would reduce its reach? No thanks.


42 posted on 02/20/2014 6:44:32 PM PST by Benito Cereno
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think the desert regions in the northern section of the proposed South California would be too happy, they should be part of Central California, although the eastern section (where I live) of Central Calif has little to no contact with the western section of central part due to the 14,000 Sierra Nevada forming a huge fence (with only two road crossings, open in Summer only) between the two areas. Totally different cultures.


43 posted on 02/20/2014 6:51:03 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Benito Cereno

I say let’s make every zip code a state and be done with it. The rise in the number of senators, congressmen, and staffers would solve the unemployment problem.


44 posted on 02/20/2014 6:52:00 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: SeekAndFind

BOY!!!!!!

‘They’ will go to ANY lengths to make BO’s 57 states statement a truth, not a boneheaded statement by a bonehead.


45 posted on 02/20/2014 6:59:35 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: ealgeone

46 posted on 02/20/2014 6:59:50 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant

3 regions are blue
3 are mixed red/blue


47 posted on 02/20/2014 7:01:18 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: svcw

One (maybe two) of the new states would be conservative. The rest would elect Boxer clones.

This is a terrible idea.


48 posted on 02/20/2014 7:06:00 PM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: AZLiberty

The rise in the number of senators, congressmen, and staffers would solve the unemployment problem.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Not really an unreasonable theory...

Remember, the oBummerCare forced a lot of companies to drop to under 30 hours, next they will raise the work week from 40 to 50 hours a week, and with the companies hiring TWO complete shifts, the unemployment rate should drop considerably.

Someone made an excellent point the other day.

The maladministration is claiming that the work force has recovered from the ‘massive recession’ and the number of ‘workers’ is back where it was 5 years ago.

Ok, say this is true —— IF IT IS, wouldn’t that mean the unemployment rate would STILL be the same as it was 5 years ago, yet they are claiming the % is almost half what it was 5 years ago.

It continues to get more ‘cornfusing’ every day.


49 posted on 02/20/2014 7:08:54 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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To: Redcloak

CA is not as liberal as it seems.
Silicon Valley houses most liberals and they would be corralled together.
I am totally on board with this move


50 posted on 02/20/2014 7:14:49 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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