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Ashley Wagner slams Olympic figure skating judges, calls for change
http://sports.yahoo.com/news ^ | February 20, 2014 | Martin Rogers

Posted on 02/21/2014 7:05:10 AM PST by NKP_Vet

SOCHI, Russia — Ashley Wagner launched a withering attack on figure skating's hierarchy and the Winter Olympics judges on Thursday night after being pushed down to seventh in the ladies' individual competition.

The 22-year-old American fought back tears as she revealed her frustration and anger with the judging at the Iceberg Skating Palace and suggested that the two Russian skaters, gold medalist Adelina Sotnikova and fifth-place finisher Julia Lipnitskaia, had been given unfairly inflated scores.

"I feel gypped," said Wagner, who skated two programs without any falls and punched the air with delight at the end of her free skate.

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KEYWORDS: ashleywagner; brat; entitlement; sochiolympics; soreloser
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I agree. The Russian that won the Gold almost fell and the announcers said nothing at all about it. Yuna Kim had another flawless skate and should should have won the Gold in my opinion, with the Russian taking Silver and Wagner Bronze. But each Olympics has this same scenario. Different Olympics, same story. Wagner has every right to feel cheated. She scored lower than a Russian who fell twice on the ice.
1 posted on 02/21/2014 7:05:10 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
"I feel gypped"

Racist!

2 posted on 02/21/2014 7:06:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: NKP_Vet

Agree - I couldn’t believe how low her numbers were on her long program. And no question that Kim shouldn’t won gold.


3 posted on 02/21/2014 7:13:32 AM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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And no question that Kim shouldn’t won gold.

SHOULD HAVE

4 posted on 02/21/2014 7:14:17 AM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: NKP_Vet

As I have posted in some of the football related threads, refs have prefs.

Recall the scandal regarding the French (IIRC) judge at the Olympics several years ago.


5 posted on 02/21/2014 7:15:17 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: NKP_Vet

I would have had Kim Gold, Kerchner Silver and The Russian Bronze. Wagner should have been 5th or 6th.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 7:17:32 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: NKP_Vet

Maybe they need instant replay.


7 posted on 02/21/2014 7:18:20 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: mykroar
Judges carry the ability to change the outcome, and its not just in gymnastics or figure skating.

Does anybody remember the '72 Olympics Gold Medal Basketball Game?

8 posted on 02/21/2014 7:19:10 AM PST by Loud Mime (Character matters for those who understand the concept)
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To: TomGuy

“As I have posted in some of the football related threads, refs have prefs”.

After Russian was taken out of the Hockey medal contention, this was to be expected. The two biggest events of the Winter Olympics are figure skating and hockey. Now Russian has Gold in one of them. And let’s not forget they said the other day they were cheated out of the win against the Americans when that goal was not allowed. They’re still raising hell about it.


9 posted on 02/21/2014 7:19:24 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: pgkdan

I would have put Carolina Kostner in first.


10 posted on 02/21/2014 7:21:16 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: NKP_Vet

The rules state that a goal cannot be scored when the net is not fixed in place. Since it was not, the refs really didn’t have a choice.


11 posted on 02/21/2014 7:23:38 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: NKP_Vet
and suggested that the two Russian skaters, gold medalist Adelina Sotnikova and fifth-place finisher Julia Lipnitskaia, had been given unfairly inflated scores.

Pretty obvious to me that they were given inflated scores.

12 posted on 02/21/2014 7:23:45 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: mykroar

Kim should have one. But Ashely Wagner has never been a favorite of mine. She went through her long program in a perfunctory way, I thought, certainly without the finess of a Kim. Ashely is famous for mistake making under pressure, including the U S finals where she was fourth or fifth because of major mistakes but was chosen to go to the Olympics ahead of a skater who earned 3rd, who was not happy or felt that a fair decision. Her skate of the long program was far from her best artistically-she just didn’t make a major technical mistake.


13 posted on 02/21/2014 7:24:13 AM PST by Cordio
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To: pgkdan
Wagner should have been 5th or 6th.

i agree! it takes more than "no falls" to make for a clean skate... a clean program... she may not have fallen, but she was not exactly clean... she had some mistakes... and i know that a fall does not mean you automatically lose, or lose out on the gold... it all depends on the difficulty, style, etc... as it is, she almost didn't even make the team...

14 posted on 02/21/2014 7:26:12 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: TomGuy

Part of the reason I don’t care that much for the Winter Olympics anymore.

Too many events are based on judging. I just want events where the results are objective, who is the fastest or whatever, without dealing with “style points.”


15 posted on 02/21/2014 7:26:35 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: NKP_Vet

Flawless skating is not that makes the most points in this sport. A complicity of tricks and overall grace is that counts the most. So, you can lose a point at fall but gain five points at certain jump. You need to take it into account before judging.


16 posted on 02/21/2014 7:28:36 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: NKP_Vet

What a sore loser are you, Ashley Wagner. That little Russian girl was fabulous, not to mention she performed an extra jump. She was the clear winner, IMO.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 7:29:08 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: NKP_Vet

So you believe technical difficulty should have no impact on scoring? If just not falling is the game everyone can just do the minimum ... Doesn’t sound like much of a competition to me.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 7:29:51 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: cunning_fish

Yep, I could skate for five minutes without falling, but I don’t think I would come close to winning a Gold Medal for it. ;)


19 posted on 02/21/2014 7:30:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Cordio

I don’t think Wagner should have medalled, but her scores seemed very low for a clean program. Kim, however, got completely ganked. I think Kim should have gotten the gold, Russian silver and Italian bronze.


20 posted on 02/21/2014 7:32:06 AM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: Cordio
Ashely Wagner has never been a favorite of mine.

Mine neither after this whine fest. She takes the gold for sour grapes and bad sportsmanship.

21 posted on 02/21/2014 7:37:33 AM PST by montag813
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To: pbear8

Agreed.

I’m has hetero as any guy out there but that performance was magical.

I fell in love with her.

Carolina,....call me.


22 posted on 02/21/2014 7:37:52 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: montag813

At least McKayla after her little incident in London showed a sense of humor about it, and won over people.


23 posted on 02/21/2014 7:38:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: NKP_Vet

GROW UP AND QUIT WHINING!!

When nothing you say will make any difference you graciously don’t say anything.

Gongradulations your attitude just ruined any chance of getting commercial success from being an olympian


24 posted on 02/21/2014 7:39:12 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: NKP_Vet

She may have some valid points but she needs to shut her mouth. For starters she finished 4th in the US Nationals and they decided to bump the third place finisher to make a place for her on the olympic team. She gipped someone else’s opportunity to skate in Sochi and she should have been grateful to been given a second chance instead of sounding like a whiny primadonna.


25 posted on 02/21/2014 7:39:59 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: SoothingDave

Maybe they need instant replay.

Why? Judging in figure skating is purely opinion


26 posted on 02/21/2014 7:40:22 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: NKP_Vet

Why is Wagner complaining and not any of the others???


27 posted on 02/21/2014 7:45:01 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s a judged sport, it lack absolutes, it’s why I don’t watch them.


28 posted on 02/21/2014 7:46:37 AM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

That was a joke. There is no point to instant replay where there is no objective standard.


29 posted on 02/21/2014 7:47:07 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: NKP_Vet

“After Russian was taken out of the Hockey medal contention, this was to be expected. The two biggest events of the Winter Olympics are figure skating “

The Russians also lost their expected gold medal in the men’s skate when their golden boy fell in warm up and withdrew and then their little prodigy girl would have won gold in the team competition but fell twice and blew it in the individual ladies skate.

There was no way the Russians weren’t going to get a gold in the ladies or men’s individual.

Judging is a very big reason that I don’t really follow figure skating or gymnastics anymore. Tired of politics trumping skill.


30 posted on 02/21/2014 7:50:18 AM PST by No Socialist
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Scot Hamilton explained it this AM. The new judging rules consider the beauty of the dance quite a bit, and a perfect program might fall short if the gymnastics overwhelm the art.

I'm getting guilty pleasure out of the pre-ordained winners falling short. It's happened with these women and it happened with the speed skaters. They haven't been gracious. Besides which it's real easy for someone who's too sure of themselves to fall a bit short.

So I'm not blaming the judges. Maybe having one older skater in the trio instead of three teenagers might've better prepared them for the intensity of this competition, and the nuances of how the voting goes.

There are some great stories being told. Isn't it something how most of them belong to those who are grateful for this opportunity to reach beyond expectations?

31 posted on 02/21/2014 7:53:42 AM PST by grania
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To: NKP_Vet; All

Ummm, I beleive we need a pic, or two . .
hubba hubba


32 posted on 02/21/2014 7:57:01 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: NKP_Vet

Send Tonya to have a word with them....


33 posted on 02/21/2014 8:10:39 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: NKP_Vet

She can feel however she wants but it is bad form to whine about it and won’t change the outcome. Life isn’t fair and she needs to be a good sport.


34 posted on 02/21/2014 8:11:58 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: montag813

35 posted on 02/21/2014 8:14:14 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Shouldn’t judge a book by its cover but after seeing her photos she looks like a pain in the ass.


36 posted on 02/21/2014 8:15:37 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Cordio

I agree with you on Ashley Wagner. She is not a favorite of mine either. She has no room whatsoever to complain about feeling “gypped” when she was beaten fair and square at Nationals, but was selected for the Olympic team anyway. Mirai Nagasu can school her on getting gypped.


37 posted on 02/21/2014 8:19:29 AM PST by Juana la Loca
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I would have put Carolina Kostner in first.

Yes, I whole-heartedly agree. Out of the entire bunch Carolina was the only one I truly enjoyed watching. She is a class act.

38 posted on 02/21/2014 8:19:40 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: BenLurkin

She reminds me of Tonya Harding —


39 posted on 02/21/2014 8:21:53 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: BenLurkin
Separated at birth:


40 posted on 02/21/2014 8:22:49 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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It’s the Euroweenie figure skating world, kid. Get used to it.


41 posted on 02/21/2014 8:29:28 AM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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To: NKP_Vet

When you take up a “sport” where it all comes down to “judging”, this is what you can expect. Quit whining about it when it doesn’t go your way.


42 posted on 02/21/2014 8:38:19 AM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Ashley, you didn’t even deserve to be there.

Take the loss like a man er woman


43 posted on 02/21/2014 8:53:51 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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"'I feel gypped,' said Wagner"

LOL! Another victim of the Eurasian Gypsies! And she probably didn't know how literally that was taken.


44 posted on 02/21/2014 8:58:31 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: NKP_Vet

It is because of A) They are in Russian so they have home team advantage and B) it is the all gay thing that obama sent over with NBC’s help.


45 posted on 02/21/2014 9:04:56 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: pbear8

I said Kerchner but of course meant Kostner. I can see why you’d say that and wouldn’t have had any problem with that. I really loved her short program skate.


46 posted on 02/21/2014 9:08:02 AM PST by pgkdan
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Indeed, her short was exquisite.


47 posted on 02/21/2014 9:21:59 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: NKP_Vet

It was a pity that Gracie Gold fell, I felt that her skating was the most beautiful, the Russian winner didn’t have the same elegance as Gracie and the Italian girl.


48 posted on 02/21/2014 9:35:59 AM PST by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (I am waiting for the Last Supper to be served again with an exciting new appetizer.)
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To: NKP_Vet

does anyone expect America to get a fair shake at the Olympics when it comes to judging???


49 posted on 02/21/2014 10:40:17 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: dfwgator
Too many events are based on judging. I just want events where the results are objective, who is the fastest or whatever, without dealing with “style points.”

I'm happy to see that you used the word "event" as opposed to "sport." Don't get me wrong: While figure skaters, gymnasts, divers, ski jumpers, etc., are no doubt highly skilled, world class athletes, not all athletic events are sports.

50 posted on 02/21/2014 10:43:58 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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