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When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Daily Reckoning ^ | 02/20/2014 | Jim Karger

Posted on 02/21/2014 10:37:55 AM PST by Rusty0604

The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.

And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you...

Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.

According to Public Intelligence:

“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.

and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.

And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailyreckoning.com ...


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1 posted on 02/21/2014 10:37:55 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Anyone who waits for their weapons to be confiscated, has waited too long to successfully use them.

All the talk on FR about “lost them in a boating accident” rather misses the point of why you have them to begin with.


2 posted on 02/21/2014 10:40:40 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604

I’m old enough to not care about dying. So if they come to my house trying to take my gold, you will have to take my lead first.


3 posted on 02/21/2014 10:42:04 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Rusty0604

Daddy...where did you learn how to make claymores?


4 posted on 02/21/2014 10:42:44 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: SampleMan

“If it’s time to bury them, it’s time to dig them up.”


5 posted on 02/21/2014 10:43:21 AM PST by PLMerite
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To: Rusty0604; 444Flyer; Diana in Wisconsin; svcw; Esther Ruth; GiovannaNicoletta; Diogenesis; ...

~~~You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons...~~~

I’ve always said this regarding the Antichrist. I’ve met a few Christians who think they’re gonna ride out the 7 years with just dried food and water. The Antichrist will have the world’s most powerful military forces behind him, with advanced weapons, helicopters, etc. Fortunately we’re not there —— yet.

And that’s why these passages are very clear:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7:7&version=KJV

Daniel 7:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible,

and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and

stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were

before it; and it had ten horns.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7:23&version=KJV

Daniel 7:23

King James Version (KJV)

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be

diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and

break it in pieces.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 10:43:53 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Rusty0604
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons...

Then why are we still fighting in Afghanistan. Seems to me we should have walked over those guys.

7 posted on 02/21/2014 10:44:07 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Rusty0604

This would be a spectacular event. Hell people shoot at LEO and other officials for a lot less.


8 posted on 02/21/2014 10:44:11 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: Rusty0604

“Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.”

Like I’ve heard said more than once: “You gotta get out of the tank to take a crap sometime.”


9 posted on 02/21/2014 10:46:11 AM PST by PLMerite
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To: Starstruck

They probably wouldn’t have the same restrictive rules of engagement.


10 posted on 02/21/2014 10:46:20 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over

Why, no... I won't.

11 posted on 02/21/2014 10:47:50 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Rusty0604

I’m already on all the lists, old, sick, no offspring, local shrinks know me, country of my youth disappeared years ago, why would I?


12 posted on 02/21/2014 10:48:04 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: PLMerite

The closer they are to us the closer they are to being ours!


13 posted on 02/21/2014 10:49:21 AM PST by spincaster (Spincaster)
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To: Rusty0604
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons

There ain't no such thing, and yes, if the dem statists demanded their guns, the neo-con statists would surrender without a fight no doubt.

14 posted on 02/21/2014 10:50:04 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Rusty0604

I realised that this guy was a know nothing Left wing moron when he made the stupid comment about Neo-cons.I didn’t realise that you had to be a Neo-Con to believe in the Constitution.

I sure would hate to have this clown representing me in court.He should surrender his license to practice law.


15 posted on 02/21/2014 10:52:40 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: tom paine 2
I’m old enough to not care about dying. So if they come to my house trying to take my gold, you will have to take my lead first.

I'm probably not as old as you. But when you look at how the left has turned this country and the rest of the world into a cesspool, I can think of worse things than going down in a hail of gunfire resisting totalitarianism.

16 posted on 02/21/2014 10:53:24 AM PST by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Rusty0604

Another story from someone who knows nothing about firearms.

If you buy an 80% receiver (usually an AR style) or a flat to bend yourself (usually an AK), there is no record of anything. The law specifically allows for building your own guns. The ATF does not consider an unfinished (lower) receiver (the only part recorded) a firearm.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 10:53:42 AM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Rusty0604

The author is correct in that a conventional battle with police or armed forces is a loser for civilians, especially on the civilians’ front doorsteps.

What the author fails to point out is that there are more effective alternatives to standoffs and conventional battles.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 10:54:19 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Rusty0604

No, I will not-most of my family served in the military, so I was brought up to not be afraid to fight and die, if necessary...


19 posted on 02/21/2014 10:55:13 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Rusty0604


20 posted on 02/21/2014 10:55:54 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: SampleMan

“Anyone who waits for their weapons to be confiscated, has waited too long to successfully use them.”

The police will begin the raids and a goodly percentage of the firearms out there (not involved in the initial raids) will just vanish — poof!


21 posted on 02/21/2014 10:56:04 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Rusty0604

I’ve often said we’ve passed or are approaching the point of no return. However, incidents like Ukraine and Egypt make me think we’re nowhere near the point of no return. The people of Iran were on the brink of overthrowing their government without any guns. Even if 99.9% of American gun owners submit, that leaves over 2,000,000 angry gun owners. What could 2,000,000 dedicated patriots do? Nothing if the government threw its full force into crushing them. But they couldn’t, and even if they tried 2,000,000 would turn into 20,000,000 over night.


22 posted on 02/21/2014 10:56:18 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Rusty0604
You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons...

No, but those Marines took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and most of them are smart enough to know when their orders countervene the Constitution - don't tell the leftists.

23 posted on 02/21/2014 10:56:55 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Rusty0604
you are not going to do anything about it.

Ever heard of asymmetrical warfare, Jim?

5.56mm

24 posted on 02/21/2014 10:57:00 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Rusty0604
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons...

No of course not, that would be foolish, 1st rule of Warfare, YOU pick the time and place to fight the battle... Me and other gun owners might very well make a mental note of which local law enforcement are helping in these raids on our fellow gun owners and are obeying unconstitutional orders and pay them a "visit" at their homes, while they are having a nice quiet movie night with their families. And those well armed marines..., have to take off that body armor off and sit down to eat or sleep sometime, perhaps a "visit" while are group are eating at the local buffet and relaxing after a raid?

25 posted on 02/21/2014 10:57:41 AM PST by apillar
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To: Rusty0604

They could never get away with a USA wide forced confiscation. I don’t believe the military would stand for it. At least the grand majority.


26 posted on 02/21/2014 10:58:01 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Tallguy
The police will begin the raids and a goodly percentage of the firearms out there (not involved in the initial raids) will just vanish — poof!

If you aren't going to use them at that point, you might as well toss them in the river.

Hiding weapons so they are found by a police state is liking hiding an umbrella, so that it doesn't get wet.

27 posted on 02/21/2014 10:58:43 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604

My neighborhood homeowner’s association doesn’t allow tanks or MRAPs in the subdivision.

The HOA is pretty darn militant...


28 posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:28 AM PST by moovova
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To: Starstruck

We could have, if not for the orders from the top to play nice with the Taliban instead of utterly crush them.


29 posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:28 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: F15Eagle

A recurring theme in Scripture is God allowing the wicked to grow stronger and stronger so that when he destroys them their fall is even greater... and more humiliating in it’s futility over against his awesome eternal power!


30 posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:29 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Rusty0604

For those who DO turn them in..........

It doesn’t end well. Think of the tens of THOUSANDS of US military POW’s left to the commie gulags over that last few wars(Starting with WW I)!

Ya think OUR bunch of commies are BETTER?


31 posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:35 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: Rusty0604

Americans have been conditioned to passively accept a steady erosion of their personal liberty. The federal behemoth runs roughshod over them everyday and demands ever increasing compliance with an avalanche of new rules, taxes, regulations, intimidation and now personal surveillance on a level never before imagined. Most Americans are content to allow this creeping incursion of authority.

As far as resistance is concerned, its nearly impossible to get Americans off their couch to even attend a Tea Party rally. The Founding Fathers would be ashamed of us.


32 posted on 02/21/2014 11:00:47 AM PST by Starboard
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To: jda
No, but those Marines took an oath to uphold the Constitutio

Don't bet your life on that.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 11:01:17 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Tallguy

And then the police stations will themselves be raided.

Not a good thing for the police to lose the public’s trust.


34 posted on 02/21/2014 11:01:23 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Rusty0604
They probably wouldn’t have the same restrictive rules of engagement.

Then many of those Marines with their powerful weapons would be switching sides.

35 posted on 02/21/2014 11:01:51 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck
Then why are we still fighting in Afghanistan. Seems to me we should have walked over those guys.

Precisely. The article presumes that you will be waiting inside your house. That would be foolish. When confiscation starts, the place to respond is as far away from your premises as possible. Public roads can be a dangerous place.

36 posted on 02/21/2014 11:01:57 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604

Vest or no vest, .44 mag cast core will do in at least the first one. I aim center of mass, and then for the nuts.


37 posted on 02/21/2014 11:02:49 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: PLMerite

Not only do they have to get out of tanks, but they have to get them from point A to point B, while hoping that its not a trap. Tanks without infantry support are just mobile coffins.


38 posted on 02/21/2014 11:03:30 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604

Wasn’t there only pistols and molitov cocktails that held off the nazis in the Warsaw ghetto?


39 posted on 02/21/2014 11:03:39 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: demshateGod

The Iranians were not going to overthrow the Islamic Republic without arms. That’s why they were begging the US for aid in that arena—and Obama utterly refused.


40 posted on 02/21/2014 11:04:10 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Triple

Conventional battle with the military is a loser, not so with the police. Take a look at Ukraine, where SWAT teams are surrendering, and those aren’t pissed off American patriots.


41 posted on 02/21/2014 11:05:40 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Starstruck

“...You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines...”

More likely it will be nine platoons of para-military Obamabots for a slice of the city and they will be taken on with 16 columns of militia.

As for the Marines, once some start going over to the other side...many will.


42 posted on 02/21/2014 11:06:32 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: SampleMan

Disagree. Anybody who barricades themselves in with their firearms is looking for martyrdom. A few Martyrs are always useful to the cause, but those weapons eventually come out when targets of opportunity present.


43 posted on 02/21/2014 11:06:41 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Rusty0604

ah. the sweet sound of leftist desparation.


44 posted on 02/21/2014 11:07:01 AM PST by dadfly
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To: Rusty0604

The only one they’d get is the only one they know I have. And that’s only because it’s a 22 pistol and not worth lying about.


45 posted on 02/21/2014 11:07:15 AM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: avenir

Yep, and then there’s these verses that you almost never, ever hear.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10:33-35&version=KJV

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+13:12&version=KJV

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+21:16&version=KJV


46 posted on 02/21/2014 11:08:17 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ThomasMore

Many in the military should be prepared to have their own homes raided as they have their own personal weapons cached at home.

Well they allow that to happen?


47 posted on 02/21/2014 11:08:25 AM PST by moovova
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To: Rusty0604

In the beginning, the “shock and awe” isolated SWAT raids will succeed in taking down their opponents- conservatives, Christians veterans etc.
But there will be a tipping point that will force resistors groups underground, and then the resistance will counterattack asymmetrically using techniques that would likely be very effective. Just think of the number of firearms owned by the public, the number of highly trained veterans (snipers and explosives experts). The government tyrants and their families will not be safe in most areas of this country. Think also of the nerdy hackers that will take down computer, electrical and weapons systems.


48 posted on 02/21/2014 11:09:29 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Tallguy

I’m not talking about using them only when they come to “your door”.

I’m talking about the need to use them when the start the confiscations, on your terms. Because yes, waiting until you are alone and surrounde is a bad idea.


49 posted on 02/21/2014 11:09:45 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rusty0604
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles

What have you got against Jews owning guns?

50 posted on 02/21/2014 11:10:07 AM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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