Skip to comments.WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 8 FEBRUARY 21, 2014
Posted on 02/21/2014 12:13:29 PM PST by greeneyes
The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.
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My indoor tomato plant that I planted last fall, now has 4 tomatoes. Two are just a little bigger than a pea, and the other two are just a little smaller than an olive.
Lemon tree is blooming and smelling good, and has 3 ping pong size lemons developing nicely. Indoor peppers were a bust this year. They never recovered after the aphid attack.
I have been working on my calendar, and won't really be starting seeds until mid-March or later. Hope you are all doing well. Have a great weekend. God Bless.
My lorapetalums took a beating with the little bit of snow we had in Huntsville, AL.
Pinging the list.
Delighted to report that our bill exempting hobby/small gardeners from the red tape of NH’s ‘seed labeling law’ passed out of committee on a UNANIMOUS vote of 14-0. I had been led to believe by one legislator that lobbying efforts by the State’s Agriculture department was going to make the vote pretty close. I called some legislators and pled the case for the hobby gardeners; they passed those arguments along in committee the next morning, and ZIP! We win. Now on to the NH Senate.
I never not think about an young Freeper took from us too young and long ago
Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell
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Posted on December 12, 2003 9:16:13 AM PST by EggsAckley
I’m sorry to have to report that one of our own Freepers, TrappedInLiberalHell, has passed away. His profile is HERE
I met Chris this past summer and found him to be a brilliant young man, who unfortunately carried around a lot of painful psychological troubles. He wrote few posts here, but was an active and clever noter, and a very sweet young man.
R.I.P., Chris van Loon
b. 3/2/72, d. 12/9/03
He was from what i recall one hell of a tomato farmer
Seed labeling? Help me out. Are they talking about private gardeners that harvest seeds from their current garden, to use the following year?
Ping to Mom With Hope.
Good luck with the Senate vote.
Link to article from Black Agnes
Back in the early 90’s I visited a co-workers home and he and the wife had a nice little 20x24 plot or so just south of Springfield, MO. Everything looked pretty lush as I recall it — approx month of May. Is the soil up there more of a sandy loam or clay if you know because I don’t remember?
I started my pepper seeds 10 days ago, and started tomatoes today. I'm in NJ (southern tip, along the shore). Do you find it better to have very mature plants when transplanting outside, or, less mature plants? In early spring, we gets pretty significant winds and I've had plants snap in half. I've been delaying transplanting each year by a week or so, and even with good weather reports, the voque winds have taken their toll.
Thanks for the tribute.
No...it is okay to save seed for your personal use. But if you try to sell any extras on eBay, Craig’s List, farmer’s markets, etc.; that’s a BIG no-no. Legislators claim the exemption was an ‘oversight’ when the original law was written. Most heirloom seed merchants on the internet are hobby gardeners...you won’t find any from New Hampshire, though.
Glad to hear it!
Oh no! So sad. Prayers up.
WOW! Thats for the explanation. I wonder if you are allowed to give away seeds. Although not constrained by NH laws here NJ, a few folks from the local watering hole are fellow gardeners and I have talked up a few of my veggies from which I harvest seeds every year. My yellow cherry tomatoes are to die for. Same with my black cherry tomatoes and yummy bell peppers. I'm on my sixth generation.
I was wondering were he went.
New Jersey’s law seems to be similar to many other states...for packages containing less than a pound, the labeling requirements are much more benign than commercial quantities of over a pound. YMMV for state to state. The concern with small gardeners is that they would allow seeds with poor germination rates into the marketplace. Nonsense, of course...if a small gardener were to do that, he wouldn’t be selling seed very long...can you imagine the nasty feedback on eBay? :-)
Swapping, bartering, trade...that seems to be okay just about everywhere BUT it is always a good idea to check local laws...just in case.
Last nice day for the the next 10-14 days. Most of the snow is gone, and the mud almost dried out, except in the garden & other cultivated areas. Be glad when the tractor starter problem is repaired, and I can regrade the driveways.
I “harvested” the last usable Brussels sprouts from the stored stalks today; rest is rabbit & bird food.
Cat grass in the coffee can is still doing great; best batch ever for us.
Yesterday, I finally got 9 sprouted peach pits into potting soil in 2 of the plastic containers we bought for seed starting. Ten more that haven’t sprouted yet got the shells cracked, and put back into their baggie of damp potting mix in the veggie drawer of the fridge.
After watching some Youtube videos, I’m planning on using chipped bark & pine cones (if I can’t get any sawdust from the local mill) to mix with sand for the sweet potato experiment. It’s harder to chip stuff since the transmission went out on the older of the 2 tillers; it’s a Troy PTO chipper, so to use it I have to swap it with the tines unit. As much as I use the tiller in the garden areas, it’s hard to work it into the schedule.
I grew up South of Springfield, Mo. In our area, there was plenty of clay, which is what we have on the eastern side too. Our soil here needed a lot of work to get a decent garden.
That’s the main reason that I went with raised beds. Hubby went the route of soil improvement-it’s more work, and I tend for the lazy daisy way.LOL
Normally I would welcome the warm weather, but with the thaw and the rain I can’t get to the neighbor’s pile of horse poo so the project I had planned for this weekend is kaboshed.
Maybe I’ll build the cold frame that I’ve been wanting...
I do very little transplanting. Hubby does a lot, and he says that it’s better if the plants don’t get too old. Of course, you don’t want them to be too tender either.
I think he usually just transplants them from the seed starter pod directly to the garden, and skips the intermediate planting into a nursery size pot.
I wish we had a chipper of any kind, but we don’t. We are also going to get some more cold weather, so I am drinking in the nice weather while I can.
I’m a not-very-good gardener and I’m hoping I can pick your brains.
We have an awful lot of white-tailed deer here, and they use my hosta paths as a salad bar. It gets to look very ugly. Long story short, I’ll be digging up the hosta and planting lavender. That will teach them.
I need a lot of lavender plants, and finances dictate that I need to start them from seeds. Is there anyone who has had success starting lavender from seeds? Is there anything special I need to do?
Any advice is appreciated!
There’s never a shortage of projects when it comes to gardening it seems, so there is usually an alternative.
Sometimes I just ignore the alternatives, and use it as an excuse to enjoy the weather and weekend.LOL
Lavender is easy. Just clean up the spot where you want it to grow, scratch it a bit, throw the seed down, scratch it a bit more and wait for it to grow.
Sunshine here, too..I transferred some tomatoes from the little dixie cups into bigger pots today..I need to get hopping on starting some more seeds, and also trnsferring some other stuff to bigger pots.
I found this year’s Rodeo Tomatoes (Valley Cat) at the local nursery, then looked on the bottom side of the leaves, to see aphids..They had sold a bunch already.
I sure don’t want to be bringing home aphids, so I guess I will stick to my own grown from seed tomato plants.
Does 'Hubby' harden them (seedling pods) off any or does it depend on the plant?
I have zero experience with lavendar seeds. Hopefully one of the others can answer your questions.
I started a bunch successfully one year. IIRC I put them in sightly sandy seed starter, covered them just a teensy bit, put them in a humidity dome and left them out where they’d get a freeze cycle or two.
Definitely look this one up as I remember they weren’t ‘like’ the other stuff I usually start like tomatoes and peppers.
I’ll be starting my seeds next month, I think. We have a new puppy, so I am going to have to be flexible. I don’t even remember everything I have coming later on, probably in April.
He does harden them a little. It depends mostly on his mood, the weather, and the time of the year.LOL
I planted the three pots with the potatoes according to the directions and put them outside on the deck, watered them, and covered them with a big glob of netting so squirrels/birds could not get to the potatoes.
I hate squirrels if you didn’t know.
Marcella hates squirrels? Why we had no idea. When did this happen? /sc
Beautiful day here (we’ve had many, lately). FINALLY got my turnips & carrots in the ground today. We’ve both been sick as dogs for the last 3 weeks, but think it’s allergies- certainly not flu. Bad sinuses & asthma from he77.
Hoping (better, or there’s going to be trouble) to get to Fanick’s Sunday. (Another Finally!)
Hope everyone’s healthy & warm & getting at least *some* nice days!
(ps Whoever mentioned “Spring cleaning” a couple of threads ago- Thank You! As long as I’ve been stuck inside, I’ve at least gotten a bunch of that out of the way)
God Bless you, too, greeneyes!
Lol, I just heard John Gerard on woai (tv on in other room) Say, "think winter is fianlly over..Not so fast. I'll tell you what's coming our way when we come back" .
I want a Fanick's Report if you do get there this Sunday.
Got up to almost 75 here today. Garden is cleaned out of fall and winter crops. I need to till it and add some compost for the spring garden. Hope to have that done by the end of next week. Still had a bunch of turnips that will make a few meals.
For those in the Southern US, you can and should get TWO crops of dill per year...and very easily, too.
First crop: put seeds in 5 oz plastic cups that are 2/3 full of moist soil. Before putting the soil in the cups, mix 5-6 pounds of clean soil with half a handful of 12-12-12 and 1/4 to 1/2 cup of powdered lime (less is more, here, ok?). Start this process about 1 March and put the little cups under a 75-watt incandescent bulb for about 5 weeks. If the seeds are fresh, expect about 60-70% germination. Keep the soil in the cups moist, but NOT wet. (Think: a wrung-out dishrag).
Put the cups out in the real world in the last 2 weeks of April, or sooner if you think all frost is past. When the plants are 1 inch above the lip of the cup, transplant into your garden, preferring a location with almost full sun (or absolutely full sun if you're in Missouri or that latitude). Once transplanted, water moderately every other day. If you see ANY branches drooping, 1) water that plant immediately and 2) decrease intervals between watering. Obviously, the amount of rain your locale receives will modify these directions.
Harvest the leaves anytime you like after the plants have been in the garden for a couple of weeks. Clearly (duh!) never harvest more than 1/3 of the leafy branches at any time. Sometime in June, most likely, the plants will bolt, shoot up long stems, and bloom (very pretty yellow umbrels). Bees and butterflies love the umbrels, particularly the black swallowtail. Let the butterflies lay their eggs undisturbed and wait for the blooms to turn into brown seeds. The minute you see eggs, stop harvesting the leaves on that plant (hey, the little caterpillars have to eat, right!)
When the seeds in the bloom turn dark brown with a light brown edging (don't worry, this is obvious enough even to a blindish guy like me!) AND the stem right below the bloom has turned yellow or brown, harvest the seeds by cutting off the whole bloom(umbrel) and placing it in a paper or plastic bag. Either hang the bag somewhere and whack it gently every time you walk by, or take out the blooms and rub off the seeds into the bag.
The seeds you will harvest by this process are absolutely fresh and, more importantly, germinate like you can't believe. For the second crop, remove the now-dead dill stalks (great kindling, btw!), rough up the soil where they were with a hand trowel, and sow the new seeds as if you were sowing grass seed, but less thickly. Cover the seeds VERY lightly with soil, and proceed as you did with the first crop. These plants should mature considerably faster because you're planting them in, basically, high summer. KEEP THE SOIL and THE SEEDLINGS WHEN EMERGED moist: drought is death for this second crop.
Harvest the leaves as you like, just as for the first crop. Probably won't see too many butterflies this time, but if you do, let them do their thing. They're the good guys.
Final note: when you transplant the first crop into your garden, simply dig a cup-sized hole, break the edges at the top of the plastic cup(s), peel them off, and plunk the whole cupful, sans plastic, into the soil. First, this is easier. Second, this way, the roots will NEVER be disturbed (always a good idea).
Next post: cumin. A bit difficult to germinate and grows slowly for an annual herb. Need to learn a few more things before posting.
Diana!! Thank you, thank you. Made your Queen of Sheba for the local policia banquet/dinner/party. Had 11 requests for the recipe (which, of course, I gave them). Now, not a week goes by that the cops on patrol don't offer me a ride or stop off for a few minutes for a cup of coffee. As you know, I can't eat chocolate (except for a small taste during cooking to make sure I haven't screwed it up...), but your (or Julia's, whichever) cake is just KILLER! Many, many thanks!
It’s been a warm sunny day here. We dragged all the container plants off the back porch and into their places in the yard and watered them down heavily. It appears they all overwintered well. It helps so much to have grow lights on the porch for them. I only watered them a few times since bringing them in.
On the seedling babies, I fed them some fish emulsion today. They are behind schedule, but that doesn’t matter too much, March 1 is just an early target, an easy gamble date. March 17 or 18 is the supposed last frost for date for here. YMMV
Fanick’s- I (still) promise a report. If only I can get there. Anything special you’re wondering about & I’ll make it a point to look? (Strawberry plants for me. I’m going to try & pick their brains re dewberries for patriot08 & of course, the maters) If it’s not yet Spring, its right around the corner. Lots to get done!
It sure feels Spring to me. (Some Februaries do this- even after a snow. 85 & 04 come to mind) The 10 day (weather channel) is a mixed bag, but not awful. At least not not compared to what we’ve had. I am soooo ready to start the flowers! :happy dance:
Thank you. Will be glad for spring. Car stuck on ice on the driveway, fell twice once on the ice on my belly and could not get up for awhile. Then fell again going back down with more salt, eventually got it out. Was so exhausted I took a 3 hour nap. What a day!
Nothing special for me, thanks. It's one of those places I've wanted to get to forever, and haven't, but I read all the neat events they host, and look at the pretty pictures, and follow their planting guides.
Tomorrow, the herbs/veggie companion planting thing they are hosting sounds very interesting.
This is almost 1000 post tribute thread
Okay, you made me look, and it sounds delicious
Diana’s Queen of Sheba cake:
My three blackberry sticks definitely have new grow coming out. If I get one blackberry I'm making a cobbler for it.
I now have all but one 5 oz. cup into larger pots and the transplanting into those pots didn't harm them as they look good. Even the tobacco I figured I killed when I transplanted the tiny things, look good. I need to take some plants out of there but will have to do it with tweezers. I putting all these plants outside tomorrow into the small greenhouse. The forecast shows no freezing temp for the next week and a half and that's where the forecast ends so don't know what comes after that.
The tomato plants in the greenhouse are ready to go into their final large pots. I guess I can do that since they will be in pots and not in the ground if freezing weather gets here again.
Since all those pots will be outside tomorrow, I'll start the last group of seeds under the grow lamp.
That’s wonderful, Marcella!
“fell twice ... on the ice”
Next time leave the car where it is. A fall can put you totally out of action for a long while. You can’t afford that to happen.
Can anybody recommend a company from which to purchase non-GMO seed potatoes and onion sets?
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