Skip to comments.Why conservatives are in trouble
Posted on 02/22/2014 6:59:10 AM PST by rktman
In last weekends column about the built-in absurdity endemic in Obamacare, I stated my thesis that elements within the United States government are making a serious and concerted effort to bring about Americas downfall and that the only way to stop it is to stand in their path, united.
But so far conservatives havent done this. Thats why were in trouble.
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The Civil War in the Republican Party between the GOPe and Tea Party is REAL. That has to be resolved before we can face the enemy. The sooner the GOPe RINOs shed their phony Conservative skin and become Democrats the better. Then we can get down to the real war.
The GOP-e is sold out to globalists.
In a big, big way.
They fought the war against American unions, and in large part have won. Except now, all America’s former factories are overseas, and now China exports more than America does.
China is a massive closed society. Americans cannot move there. Americans cannot buy things of significance there. Yet our stores are FILLED WITH CHINESE-MANUFACTURED GOODS.
Bring back American factories, and American jobs.
Everybody has their own theory as to what everyone else should have done.
So whats the problem? The problem is conservatives are splintered. We quarrel among ourselves over differences in race, religion and other factors.No we do not. Why is Mrs. L applying liberal stereotypes to conservatives, especially when pointing out what the GOP-e is in the same article? Never mind worrying about what the media does, since they did that with Reagan and he won.
The author loses all credibility with this statement.
Maybe Patrice spends time in the religion forum.
Part of the problem is that conservatives are usually hard workers, taking care of their families first with no time for organization. Secondly, they are not generally joiners - being quite individualist. Thirdly, if they join a movement, the get targeted by the IRS.
You see? Even though all these different conservative groups may agree about the need for constitutional limitations on government, theyre too busy bickering about everyone elses skin color or religious creed to ever unify. Then the progressives laugh and win.
I have no idea what she is talking about.
Regardless of what everyone has done in the past, it’s time for non-Democrats to unite against the muslim in our White House.
I’m trying to figure out just who is conservative in there.
How can we tell who they are? The Democrats in the GOP only name themselves by their actions after all.
Agree with one poster who essentially says, first ... we MUST get rid of the GOP-E. Before that, nothing else really matters because without winning that battle, there just isn’t another battle.
. That comes, greatly, from being burned by previous candidates who claim to be conservative until they get in office. Many candidates know they have to appeal to the conservative branch or they won't get elected. That is why they run to right and serve to the left. Too many have turned out to be pseudo-conservatives.Right on!
Conservatives have been corralled since the early days of 'compassionate conservatism'. Do they change the party from within or do they abandon it and build a new party for the future?
One thing is certain: Voting for the same will NOT produce a different result.
Yes he does. He exposes himself as a Concern Troll. We had one of those lock horns briefly with Jim yesterday, using selected Ronald Reagan quotes to support his position that we need to coddle RINOs.
Amen. Spot on.
Apparently, she is a lady who lives up in the mountains of the Northwest, homeschools, is into crafts, and tries to be self-sufficient, so she’s not really “in the loop” about anything political, but just relies on what reaches her on her mountaintop. Probably a sweet old lady, but not somebody who follows politics very closely.
The left purged all moderates out of their party (ask Lieberman )and they are running lean and mean sucking in the sheeple to their perceived power. The sheeple are not idealogical but are attracted to committed driven people like insects at night are attracted to bright lights, the message comes second with them. If the political right can plant a true flag of real conservitism in the political battlefield the sheeple will come.
Another one ignores the obvious.
Money spent on investment and savings- media makes nothing.
Money spent on consumer spending- media makes 5 to 10%.
...and no one can figure why conservatives don’t win in the ‘public square’ controlled by TV...
Obama borrowed trillions and turned it into consumer spending. Of course the media loves politicy like that.
It’s money in their pockets.
Why does everyone play the fool about this?
-— The sheeple are not idealogical but are attracted to committed driven people like insects at night are attracted to bright lights, the message comes second with them -—
That’s what my gut tells me, too. And you’re right about us getting lean and mean.
I’ve learned to stay away from the Religion Forum. I’ve never met such a thin-skinned bunch of weenies in my life, and they even have special Moderators with fine-tuned sensitivities to kick you off FR for the least slight.
I wish there was a way to filter the Religion threads out from my Latest Posts page without having to filter out most other threads in the process. With the current system, you can either browse all forums are just one, no in-between.
And that's the easy part. The hard part will be to identify individuals who are genuine constitutional conservatives, and weeding out the those despicable and traitorous opportunists who clothe themselves with the patriot's mantle.
Sorry, the Tea Party is NOT at war with the “globalists”. We can remain competitive right here in the US with free market policies. However, when socialist policies keep increasing the cost of labor and dumb down the education system, that’s what allows other countries to kick our butts. The solution is not to turn our back on the free movement of goods and capital, but to outcompete the world, including China.
It’s still folly to trade with one’s enemies.
-— We can remain competitive right here in the US with free market policies. However, when socialist policies keep increasing the cost of labor and dumb down the education system, thats what allows other countries to kick our butts. The solution is not to turn our back on the free movement of goods and capital, but to outcompete the world, including China. -—
Right on, right on.
China is kicking our butts right now.
The Tea Party needs to support American businesses.
Just saying. American.
By the way, here is a link to a FR discussion of another article, which is very good.
Currently is has top post position, at the Drudgereport.
Here is the FR version:
“US v China: is this the new cold war?”
Certainly not the way to encourage participation there, FWICS.
Most manufacturing in the USA, what's left anyway, is done by non union labor at a ratio of 9:1. Minimum wage adjusted for inflation is not at an all time low but close to it. Besides labor is one of the smallest components of manufacturing costs anyway. Corporations love regulations and taxes because it keeps out the possible upstart little guy and gives them an excuse for offshoring production to communists countries all the while true "conservatives" like your self drink the gloBULList kool aid. What a world.
The media gets the same or more commission on foreign goods as American.
That issue is a waste of their time and they control ‘the public square’.
Why do you spam threads with the same theme over and over? We already know that the libs don’t want US jobs back, because that means their internationalist friends overseas lose their (anti-)competitive advantage right away, and they still want to beat whatever independent spirit exists in Americans out of them.
Besides, there is also a spiritual side to this; not likely a nation that turns its back on God will have its standard of living expanded, but shrunken rather.
I’m not spamming threads.
China is now the largest exporter on the planet.
Americans cannot immigrate there, own factories there, and China is becoming a threat.
I am trying to start discussions about a hugely important topic which we aren’t yet talking about.
Yet last year, China ran a 300 billion trade surplus with America (and growing)
You may not like this topic, fact is you may have invested heavily in Chinese manufacturing or something (minority investment of course) but I won’t stop talking about this increasingly important matter.
America we need to make things.
They don’t want “participation” as we know it. They want support and agreement with whatever dogma they’re spewing.
I just tell myself that I don’t understand their lives, and they’re only doing what’s best to get themselves through the day. I can’t get into it, and so I stay away. But I keep stumbling over their threads because it’s impossible to tell that’s what they are until one clicks in and reads them. Titles like “Hey! Look at this!!” don’t help.
I’ve learned to skip the articles and go straight to the keywords to see if the thread is a potential landmine. If not, I return to the top of the article and read.
My acid test for a conservative who claims to be a constitutional conservative is one who will insist on a formal Congressional declaration of war before any military attack in Syria, Iran, or elsewhere.
JOINT RESOLUTION Declaring that a state of war exists between the Imperial Government of Japan and the Government and the people of the United States and making provisions to prosecute the same. Whereas the Imperial Government of Japan has committed unprovoked acts of war against the Government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Imperial Government of Japan which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.
The bad thing there is that it gives fuel to liberal false fire to wit that FR is populated with such dogmatists who actually want the First Amendment gone and replaced with a federal state religion. Conservatives want “free exercise” instead, as the First Amendment makes plain.
Ask him about the beneficial effects of high tariffs some time...but don’t ask which country in the world manufactures the most.
Quite so. Liberal “wars” are designed to sap the country’s strength.
That’s not what this topic is about.
It is not like I lack sympathy with the notion, but endless repetition is spam and it’ll get you nowhere.
Sort of a microcosm of the real world, in a way...sort of like having our own little Westboro Baptist Church.
Is that Goods, Services or both?
America’s trade situation is a monumental mess, and China is a huge factor is that mess.
China is a COMMUNIST NATION. Ruled by one race, which does not allow free trade, nor full international investment.
Yet go in any store in America, and all you see on every shelf are things, which if you turn them over and look say:
“Made in China”.
We are selling out our own nation. For real.
This is why conservatism doesn’t currently hold a higher place in America.
You cannot lead a country, by selling a country to a massive communist giant.
Wake up, and bring back American manufacturing.
What does this have to do with the topic? Nothing.
Try a different format, too.
I strongly disagree.
This is key, to why conservativism isn’t stronger right now.
We are losing sight of the fact, we must look out for America first.
We have the internet news distribution.
They have an echo chamber.
The problem is that many including some of us get their news from the MSM echo chamber. And sometimes as we look to see what the other side is thinking we make the mistake that it’s news only if it comes from their side. Not true, the MSM is losing viewers and readers year over year. My sister who ia a reporter for the WSJ says WSJ is doing ‘OK’ compared to others but they are worried that so many readers and viewers are escaping them. Her husband who is a reporter for the Boston Globe and who was a White House Press reporter is starting a beer brewery with his brother; smart guy, one of the few, for a liberal northeast MSM reporter.
You’re not articulating very well.
One of the points of this discussion appears to be to highlight just how the GOP-e is suppressing conservatism. Including the matters that you are spamming about.
You might consider as spam - claiming that tax laws, unions and regulations are what exported jobs. When the Bush tax cuts happened, jobs were created in China by the boatload.
As I recall, regulation increased to negate any positive effect for domestic industry, resulting only in benefits to crony corporatists.