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The Scientific Proof of the Existence of the Soul
Waking Times ^ | February 27, 2013 | Debbie West

Posted on 02/23/2014 5:18:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: SkyDancer

another reason for the lack of weight is that immediately upon death, the bladder emptiest of any urine in it and the bowel evacuates any feces in most cases. I have cleaned and carried bodies to the morgue when working in the hospital. Well, not carried but escorted it to the morgue on a stretcher. I am glad I am not the only one to wonder what exactly the soul is. Spirit is sent to God according to scripture. Jesus death, etc sends their spirit to God upon death...Never heard a reasonable explanation on the soul...


51 posted on 02/23/2014 9:31:23 PM PST by goat granny (.)
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To: tired&retired

were you part of the P.E. A. R. group?


52 posted on 02/23/2014 10:02:52 PM PST by jcon40
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dr. Ian Stevenson documented over 3,000 cases of children who remembered their past lives. In his study the children’s stories were validated, yet even this irrefutable proof is viewed with conjecture by modern neuroscientists

Well this "irrefutable proof" might be a bit more refutable if one did not have to pay 40 bucks to see it.

53 posted on 02/23/2014 10:13:10 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Talisker
Wow, everyone seems to need to believe this guy is a crackpot. But why? Jesus said we have souls, this guy is validating that.

Someone who sets about to "prove" the obvious can still be a crackpot.

Jesus had no need to convince those he taught that souls existed, because they were not specially trained to be ignorant of such an obvious fact. Validation of the existence of your own soul is trivial while validation of the existence of your body is based on faith in what your senses tell you. In theory your body could be all part of some illusion or trick. Almost anything could be an illusion...the only thing we can be absolutely sure of is that we are something that can observe and experience. We are a soul. It is proven intrinsically and with much more certainty than anything else can ever be.

54 posted on 02/23/2014 10:33:52 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Fai Mao
I think #4 is the only plausible answer

I am not a believer in reincarnation or materialism...but the materialists have proposed multiple universes to defend their beliefs from the big bang and/or other scientific models that strongly suggest the universe is not eternal but had a distinct starting time. So if the materialists can grasp at such an outrageous straw...perhaps we can allow the reincarnation list to include:

5) We are just one of a vast number (maybe infinite) universes some of which could have evolved life, and souls can be reincarnated in different universes--some of which have a declining number of appropriate animals to balance others like ours which have an increasing number.

55 posted on 02/23/2014 10:54:25 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Nuc 1.1

“Most of the folks are not ready for that. Nor reincarnation either.”

That is why Jesus said,”Let those who have ears hear.” Jesus also spoke in parables as very few people would understand what he was saying if he spoke scientifically and logically. Mankind’s ability to comprehend what He was saying was very limited and it still is.

Imagine if you had never seen any airplanes and I need to describe a fighter jet to you. When you have no point of reference it is very difficult to communicate an idea to you. (Not you specifically, but in general)

At the higher levels of consciousness there is no need to communicate in words. Consciousness communicates directly with consciousness. It’s the Tower of Babel concept and it is real. I’ve run into it when removing nasty spirits from a home when all I could hear was gibberish. When I tuned my consciousness to a higher level in prayer, I realized that the ghost could only speak Italian and I could not understand him. At the higher level his thoughts were automatically known by me and I was able to help him go to Heaven. It’s like communication through epiphanies.

The Holy Spirit is a higher level of consciousness. It has a higher vibration frequency, thus it processes faster and has a higher data storage and processing capacity than regular human consciousness. If you could see it you would realize that it functions very similar to the electrons in the orbitals of an atom. There are many levels (mansions) and each has its own unique attributes. Just as Neils Bohr, the atomic physicist who developed the model for the atom, discovered that when an electron goes from an outer orbital to an inner orbital it gives off light; consciousness viewed from a lower frequency level is perceived as Light. This is why the saints have the glow around them. This is also why God is often described as Light.

I virtually always tell people not to mess with past life work as they do not have the ability to discern if they are communicating with an attached spirit or demon rather than a different aspect of their own consciousness. Secondly, even if past lives existed, your soul would be at your highest level of spiritual development right now. Finally, if something in a past life is important, it will manifest as an experience in the present life for you to deal with now.

Too many people use past life as an excuse to be a victim... “It’s not my fault that I am this way!” rather than working to improve themselves. Thus my advice is usually, ignore any temptations to go in that direction.

The human soul exists on many levels of consciousness, the lowest of which is dense enough to manifest the physical body.. The lower levels of consciousness are wiped clean, just as a magnetic tape eraser does to a cassette tape, in order for your soul to experience the illusion of separateness from God. If a person focuses on God and goes within, they can traverse and perceive the many levels of consciousness and further realize why Jesus stated, “My Father and I are One.” God becomes experiential rather than theoretical at the higher frequencies. It is virtually impossible to describe this experience to anyone who has never experienced it as they have no point of reference to understand it. It is the “treasure buried in the field.”

Consciousness functions with wave attributes at lower frequencies and is very limited in ability. At higher levels consciousness functions in particle attributes and functions similar to x-ray or gamma rays in that it has the ability to pass though various densities of matter and differentiate between them. I’ve often told people with cancer exactly where their tumor was located even when it was in the brain and very difficult to locate with medical instrumentation. When a person is “Born of the Spirit” they begin to perceive directly from their soul or spirit rather than the flesh, just as when you are born of the flesh you begin to perceive from your flesh senses.

The energy of consciousness at the higher frequencies has the ability to transmute lower frequency thoughts just as a dense object placed in a microwave heats up and catches on fire. (This is why the weeds will be burned and why a prayer to an evil person is like placing hot coals upon their head.) It’s how Jesus did His healing. When He said “You are forgiven.” He was transmuting the lower frequency consciousness that created the illness. He was removing the obstacles to Love from the person’s soul. This is how sin causes illness.

When you are in water, it is very difficult to identify other liquids that are mixed in with the water. But if you are standing in air and encounter small amounts of liquid you quickly begin to differentiate between the various types and temperatures of liquids. It is the same way with consciousness. When your consciousness is functioning at a lower level you do not perceive other people’s consciousness around you. When you raise your consciousness to a higher level, all of a sudden other people’s consciousness becomes physical and tangible to your perception as they differentiate. You quickly learn that walking into fear, anger, or hatred feels like you are walking into a solid wall and stubbing your toe, while Love is like a breathe of fresh air after a storm.

All the things I have mentioned are very simple to understand when you begin to experience them. But very difficult to understand while you are asleep. This is why Jesus stated in Matthew 13 that the weeds were planted while the people on earth were “asleep!” It’s time to awaken... That’s the wonderful “Heaven on Earth” we pray for when we say our Father’s prayer.

What I have shared is a very small tip of a vast body of knowledge that Jesus tried to share with us. When He shared it with His disciples, He warned them not to share the knowledge with others lest they use it to turn and devour the messenger as the knowledge is very powerful. If you hear my words, close your eyes and pray within yourself. The experience will begin to be yours as well. We truly are in the times Jesus described many times in His teachings. Stay focused on God through Jesus and use the Bible as your life operating manual.


56 posted on 02/24/2014 2:50:22 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: jcon40

“were you part of the P.E. A. R. group?”

No, but I am familiar with Princeton’s research. The problem with using instrumentation to perceive consciousness is that it is like looking in a mirror to observe an object rather than going within it. It’s like peeking through a window rather than crawling through it and experiencing the room on the other side. That is also why I advise against using drugs to have a spiritual experience.

I have no need to educate and expand the ego which takes possession of knowledge and uses it to block a person’s growth toward knowing and experiencing God. I much prefer to throw the knowledge out as a life preserver so that people who are dying daily look within themselves and find God. I merely help them tread water and guide them to read the Bible and meditate and pray to God for guidance out of the despair of drowning.

My identity does not come from being able to convince others that I am correct, but from being the best servant of my Father than I can be.


57 posted on 02/24/2014 3:02:37 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: AndyTheBear

My Father’s mansion has many rooms and many realities. Let those who have eyes see them.


58 posted on 02/24/2014 3:04:28 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

So it’s mainly quantum mechanics?


59 posted on 02/24/2014 5:23:59 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: Fai Mao
1. Some of us have no souls or are some type of persistant illusion that is viewed by those with souls - in which not everyone you see has been reincarnated because so of us are not really here

Would that mean in this hypothesis that they're here physically but not spiritually or that they're an illusion of those who are here? So all of those who have souls view the same illusions? Can those who "are here" identify those who are not? The second possibility would frighten me because it would justify two-tiered humanity.

There's not knowing and not understanding. Could it be that who posseses a soul is unknowable? I accept that there are things that are unknown and unknowable to humans.

Now mix this with messing with DNA, organ transplants, the possiblility of splicing DNA for non-human characteristics in humans. Do these things create soullessness?

These are all crazy questions, for sure. But I wonder. We can't be all there is. If we were, we'd self destruct by now. Maybe if there are more humans than souls, humanity is destined to self destruct, as our being depends on a higher order.

My head is spinning.....

60 posted on 02/24/2014 5:46:42 AM PST by grania
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61 posted on 02/24/2014 5:47:55 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So it’s mainly quantum mechanics?

I have noted many, many similarities. Spin patterns, direction of travel, ....

Relationships between souls function similar to covalent bonds while relationships with God function similar to ionic bonds...

I have not focused on documenting all the similarities, but the list goes on the deeper I go into understanding the human soul. Each person is unique but the basic patterns and infra-structure are similar. Personality is totally a function of consciousness flow patterns in the soul. Even being gay or straight is a function of the soul pattern that develops.


62 posted on 02/24/2014 7:22:33 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: grania

“Now mix this with messing with DNA, organ transplants, the possibility of splicing DNA for non-human characteristics in humans. Do these things create soullessness?”

NO.... however souls are sliced and attached to other people. Former Govenor Casey in Pennsylvania received a heart lung transplant several years ago and it changed certain things about him... such as he never drank coffee prior and after the transplant he could not get enough.

Many times it is extra souls attaching rather than no-soul.

Two of my children have been doing genetic engineering and cloning research in medical schools. The subject fascinates me.

Here is a thought to ponder.... When man cloned Dolly the sheep, where did her soul come from? Is it possible that the soul that entered the cloned body was already here from a deceased sheep and it just entered the new body. Since the biological clock had already unfolded on the deceased sheep’s soul it could explain the premature aging of cloned animals!!! Who knows?


63 posted on 02/24/2014 7:29:27 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

It is not difficult to believe that Dr Alexander, who is apparently a brilliant but strongly conflicted man, had a life-altering experience when he became severely ill and was out into a coma. That sort of thing would shake anyone. But it seems he may have begun to exaggerate and embellish his experience, adding details as time passed and the experience became more remote. To some extent we all do this. His financial problems may have spurred him to capitalize on his memories, and to make a book out of a neurological event requires a bit of padding. For me the tip-off is that the scenes and experiences he describes are not consistent with what others who have had near-death experiences relate. Different souls have slightly different scenarios but this one is anomalous and disturbing. As you note, the joy and peace and love that are the gift of a real encounter with Jesus are not apparent in him.

He seems like a very troubled man, and I hope he will come to Christ before he really dies.


64 posted on 02/24/2014 7:48:57 AM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: tired&retired

Thank you. Well stated. No where near your level but I plod along as best I can. I agree that past lives are not generally relevant to the present life. At one time I thought that proving past life existence was the be all and end all. Having regressed a number of times I discovered while interesting, past lives held little relevance to my present life. And I moved beyond it. Recently I became aware of something you may find interesting. A scientist was trying to determine how information about spin in electron pairs is communicated. What was discovered is far more profound. During an experiment the spin of one electron was changed. The paired electron immediately recognized the change. The information about the change was transmitted orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light would allow. And other electrons in the area were also affected. Thus, when something happens the measured area was immediately aware. And by extrapolation the universe was immediately aware. I could not help but recall the statement that we are all interconnected. Here is some of the first scientific proof of that fact, I am aware of. Science will eventually come to God at the end of the journey of discovery. As will all other disciplines. One tree, many branches.


65 posted on 02/24/2014 8:13:40 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Thank you for sharing. It even goes a bit further... not based upon studying electrons, but by observing consciousness:

Electrons spun clockwise will form and organized pattern while electrons spun counter clockwise will disperse. The direction of spin causes a link to stabilize between the two electrons. This is exactly how the masculine and feminine aspect of the soul spin and link to each other to stabilize.

What I just described is the secret to the attraction chemistry in relationships.... It’s all part of observing the attributes of the soul. I found I can move people’s physical bodies around by changing these spin patterns of their field with my consciousness.

Time for example is a variable based upon the frequency of consciousness divided by the speed of light.... I’ve noticed that this differential causes time distortion at different levels and is the reason that one day in Heaven is like years here. It really screws up my timeline relating to my premonitions of future events... The detailed visions I had in the early 1990’s and thought they would happen in 1995-1995 are just happening now.


66 posted on 02/24/2014 8:50:46 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Salvavida; All

My substance is your makeup but do not look for it to be anatomical and my atomic number is eternal never wasting away for truly I AM Wonderful in ALL aspects of this one word “ETERNAL”. I AM thus an eternal constant and there is no slide rule that can measure my kingdom for I have no beginning or end to measure yet I have storehouses ,does my Word not proclaim this ?!

So tell me my children is there really a need to be earthbound when even now you carry this makeup within you ?!

Let me allow you to enter into your full knowledge for I desire you to experience My fullness and not just a sample !

Allow me to open up the aperature of my heart in you so that your soul may rise up drink of my spirit for truly to sip at my kingdom is a lack of faith and I AM your All in All omnipotent and as I carry you my omnipresence begins to reveal the expanse of my love through the “Eyes of Wonder” for my wisdom is not easily discovered .

Do you see I am stretching out my understanding to you of friendship to be and come into your kingdom inheritance .

So let your panting cease and quench your thirst in my River of Life and eat from the Nectar of My Tree of Life.

For I AM all these things and more just step through with your surrender to graduate into my understanding for I did not give you a spirit of fear and my love and power await your “YES” and My “Amen” harkens for your voiced reply even NOW !

So come ! And delight in the garden of my ways for I AM all you seek and desire , come up higher to the place where you belong ! ! !


67 posted on 02/24/2014 9:02:54 AM PST by Jedediah (The Keys to The Kingdom)
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To: ottbmare

I warned Eben what was going to happen to him as my death from meningitis was almost twenty years to the day prior to his near death from the same illness.... Mine November 1988, his November 2008. I purposely did not share mine as I thought I was NUTS at the time. He had his birth family that had put him up for adoption with him at the time and he got caught up in the emotional frenzy of the group. You can’t have two masters.... Either self or God... That’s why diminishing self is critically important!

Dr. Mary Neal, the orthopedic spinal surgeon in Jackson Hole WY and Anita Morjania who had very profound near death experiences and did not digress from the experience by owning it as a possession from ego self. Eben fell into the trap that causes the ego self to seek self validation for recreation, a process that fills self so full there is no room for God. I speak from experience that Eben’s battle is one that a person must constantly be on guard against. I do not criticize Eben, but feel for him as he has chosen the more painful experiential path which will allow many others to learn and grow by observing him.

Side note: I know exactly what Eben’s soul issue is and it is a very difficult one to carry.... The wound of being an unwanted pregnancy and then being rejected by his parents when he was put up for adoption created a feeling of rejection at the soul level that causes one to never feel good enough no matter their accomplishments in life. He could be an Olympic gold medalist or a Nobel Prize winner and still would not feel good enough. It’s how the soul flow pattern develops personality. If God creates the coincidence, I’ll help him resolve the wound. I feel the wound just by waling up to him. He really is a good guy and has helped millions with his sharing.


68 posted on 02/24/2014 9:12:05 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: ottbmare

“the joy and peace and love that are the gift of a real encounter with Jesus are not apparent in him.”

I have had devout Jews share with me that they met Jesus during their near death experience. They came to me as they now knew Him to be their savior but could not share with their Jewish family.


69 posted on 02/24/2014 9:15:36 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Jedediah

Jedediah,

Excellent words of wisdom. Thank you for sharing.


70 posted on 02/24/2014 9:18:02 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Nuc 1.1

“Science will eventually come to God at the end of the journey of discovery. As will all other disciplines. One tree, many branches.”

That is a very important statement of truth.. Thank you for sharing it.


71 posted on 02/24/2014 9:20:37 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Yes, but the materialist presumes that all other “room”s must be natural worlds—their dogmatic evidence-immune assumption is that there is nothing else. I think the assumption is based on the pure irrational animal senses...a rather immature childish philosophy, particularly since discoveries of sub atomic physics has shown such sensibilities are not reliable guides to reality.


72 posted on 02/24/2014 5:55:55 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: tired&retired
My Father’s mansion has many rooms and many realities. Let those who have eyes see them.

Btw, were you trying to quote Jesus here? If you meant John 14:2 every translation I have checked has not mentioned "many realities" in this verse nor close to it. Nor do I recall any place in the Christian bible linking "many rooms" or "many realities" to something that those who have eyes are expected to see...but perhaps I have missed something? Or perhaps you weren't trying to quote Jesus here?

73 posted on 02/24/2014 9:54:16 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear

I was speaking from my own words and experiences while at the same time understanding what Jesus meant in His teachings.

There was much that Jesus did not come out and say as He did not want people to strive to obtain the abilities or gifts which He was able to perform. He wanted people to grow closer to God where the abilities are a natural attribute of the person’s level of spiritual development of their soul.

Many people try to get me to teach them how to do what I do. My response is to read the Bible, pray and meditate on its meaning. If you obtain the abilities but do not grow you will be like the people who used Jesus’ name and He did not know them. The ego self develops pride in the abilities as it takes ownership and forms an huge identity around them. This creates separation from God as when a person is full of themselves, they have no room for God. This is why dying daily or emptying self is so important.

If a person holds onto an ability as an identity, it shackles them from growing higher. The rung on the ladder that you use to climb will hold you back if you cannot let go of it to climb higher.

Back to the many mansions... Each level of consciousness in the Tower of Babel is a different room with different abilities and perceptions. As you follow commandment number one, Love God with All..... you grow closer to God and reach the higher levels. Some levels are very difficult to experience while still in the physical body. My near death experience gave me a taste of those levels, and then I was sent back into my body with the knowledge that I could transcend self while still in my physical body if I followed Jesus’ teachings.

Just to give you a simple example of why Jesus’ teachings are so important to different perceptions of your reality. In depression, you can find your consciousness at such a low level that even mole hills in front of you appear to be mountains. With prayer and meditation and cleansing your soul while staying focused upon God, you can raise your consciousness perspective to the level where even mountains appear as mole hills. Each level is a different perception of your reality. Through prayer and meditation and staying focused on Loving God, you can have your consciousness transcend the physical body and be born of the spirit. At that time you begin to perceive a whole new reality again. (You truly become born again) Just as your reality when you were in your mother’s womb was limited to your environment, and when you were born of the flesh you began perceiving from your physical body senses a whole new reality, when you transcend the body and begin perceiving from your soul or spirit you have a whole new reality, right here in the same physical space. That is why Jesus said you must go within to find thy Father.

Jesus did not take credit for His abilities. He always treated them as His Father working through Him as He always strived to be “One with His Father.” That is the exact reason Jesus wants you to take Communion and be “One with Him.” Sounds very Buddhist doesn’t it? They were both saying the same thing.


74 posted on 02/25/2014 4:54:55 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Save for pondering


75 posted on 02/28/2014 1:05:33 PM PST by Red Boots
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