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Montana Boy: Bones Show Ancestral Links to Europe
DER SPIEGEL ^ | February 20, 2014 | Rex Dalton

Posted on 02/24/2014 1:46:52 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper

Despite general resistence, representatives of tribes in the US recently gave their blessing for DNA analysis of the remains of a Stone Age child. Research conducted on the boy's genes indicate that Native Americans have European roots.

It must have been a pretty special child, otherwise the two-year old wouldn't have been buried in such a ceremonious manner. The boy was sprinkled with celebratory red dust and given distinctive stone artifacts for his last journey.

The characteristic fluting of the stone weapons serve as archeological evidence that the boy, who died some 12,600 years ago, came from the Clovis culture. It was one of the earliest New World groups, disappearing mysteriously a few centuries after the child's burial in present day Montana. From the summit of a hill towering over the burial site near the Yellowstone River, the boy's Ice Age contemporaries could monitor their hunting grounds for mammoth and bison.

Now a team of scientists led by the Danish geneticist Eske Willerslev has analyzed the boy's origins and discovered that he descends from a Siberian tribe with roots tracing back to Europe. Some of the boy's ancestors are likely even to have lived in present-day Germany.

Their findings go even further: More than 80 percent of all native peoples in the Americas -- from the Alaska's Aleuts to the Maya of Yucatan to the Aymaras along the Andes -- are descended from Montana boy's lineage.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: europeanamericans; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; immigrants; montana; nationofimmigrants; nativeamericans

1 posted on 02/24/2014 1:46:52 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Revolting cat!

Open borders PING!


2 posted on 02/24/2014 2:05:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: SunkenCiv
The characteristic fluting of the stone weapons serve as archeological evidence that the boy, who died some 12,600 years ago, came from the Clovis culture.

PING

3 posted on 02/24/2014 2:06:28 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

I have difficulty with the fluting. While I know there are differences in culture, there is also sameness. As far as being linked to Europe...that’s likely a duh...What are the choices??


4 posted on 02/24/2014 2:10:08 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
What are the choices??

"Mother Africa" and "Made in China"

5 posted on 02/24/2014 2:20:42 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

To summarize many dialogues I had in school, some years ago:

Leftist: We stole the land from the Native Americans!
Me: Who did they steal it from?


7 posted on 02/24/2014 2:47:09 AM PST by oblomov
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To: AlmaKing
I just keep my house clean and don’t steal horses.

Our local church has a mission involvement with a Church near Cuba, NM. The members are outcasts group among the Navajo Indians. Very very poor. I have seen videos and what you say about keeping the house clean, is not misplaced. The family who put the church together were Navajos who moved back to help. Wonderful effort. And their church is Spartan, but very clean. A true act of love.

8 posted on 02/24/2014 2:49:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

BFL


9 posted on 02/24/2014 2:51:32 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: oblomov
The native americans believed in "conquering" just like the rest of the world at the time. They did it all the time amongst their own....killing off and sucking up other tribes.

They sided with the British during the Revolutionary War.

We were more than decent to them.

Casinos and casinos...What a legacy.

They have done themselves wrong.

10 posted on 02/24/2014 3:25:46 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: oblomov

My response is, “Well that’s what they get allowing their country to be flooded by illegal immigrants.”


11 posted on 02/24/2014 3:42:24 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Sacajaweau
His genes are linked to Europe. The Clovis points show a cultural link to an early and widespread group of native Americans, who used distinctively carved spear points.


12 posted on 02/24/2014 3:51:31 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: AlmaKing
In pre-perpetually-offended America, a majority of the population would have found that LOL funny, and no lawsuit would have resulted from the remainder.

LOL   (so sue me)

13 posted on 02/24/2014 4:10:35 AM PST by tomkat
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To: Berlin_Freeper
University of California archeologists are fighting for the right to conduct DNA analysis on a pair of 9,300 year-old skeletons found on the San Diego campus.

... The University has finished calculating the tuition and fees for 18,600 semesters for these two students and wants to present them with the bill.

14 posted on 02/24/2014 4:24:49 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: AlmaKing
Was that racist? TFB

You're too stupid to tell?

15 posted on 02/24/2014 4:28:50 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: oblomov

I always answer liberals with “and how did their open borders policy work out for them?”


16 posted on 02/24/2014 4:44:30 AM PST by MNDude
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To: AlmaKing

There are no “native Americans”, only “first arrivals”.....


17 posted on 02/24/2014 4:46:52 AM PST by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
descended from Montana boy's lineage.

They started young,,,duh

18 posted on 02/24/2014 4:47:14 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: tomkat

I consider myself Native American. I have not done the root trace thing. However all my great and great, great and great, great, great grandparents have been in this country from at least 1800. Before that I do not know.


19 posted on 02/24/2014 4:51:09 AM PST by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Thermalseeker

What about those remains they found in Washington that they said pre dated native things and it wasn’t a native skeleton?

If I recall correctly, they were doing a dig, found those remains, then the Indians closed it down on some argument. I guess they don’t want the gravy train to stop. It pointed out that they weren’t the first here.


20 posted on 02/24/2014 4:53:09 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Like the inclusion of Neanderthal DNA in modern European humans, the European connection of the Clovis people is one of those things that turn LIBERAL scientists to fudge their science and condemn those who tell the truth.

Nothing new here. It’s the same with Gorebull warming. Science has been politicized for years.


21 posted on 02/24/2014 4:56:56 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: defconw
Ditto that, but mid 18th cent. arrival.

Hell, since the Mexicans only need to cross a little creek, that must make us Whiteys the 'wetback' champs of all time    d:^)

22 posted on 02/24/2014 5:21:38 AM PST by tomkat
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To: Berlin_Freeper
When the Pequots were talking to Connecticut about the casino, Donald Trump, who was trying to start a casino in Hartford, said, "They don't look like Indians to me."

I think the Eastern Indians came from Europe. But I believe the Newport Tower is built by the Vikings.

23 posted on 02/24/2014 5:21:39 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: oblomov

The land has passed between so many cultures over eons and sometimes mere decades that only possession grants right of title.


24 posted on 02/24/2014 5:33:50 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: a fool in paradise


25 posted on 02/24/2014 5:39:29 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: tomkat

LOL!


26 posted on 02/24/2014 6:08:48 AM PST by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: greyfoxx39

This will shock some Mormons...


27 posted on 02/24/2014 6:12:44 AM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Disappearing mysteriously?

Abruptly, yes. Mysteriously, no.

Research "Younger Dryas," just a few millimeters deeper than Wikipedia.

28 posted on 02/24/2014 6:25:11 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The Irish are from Germany. The Indians are from Germany. Talk about culture shock. I’m going to have a lederhosen booth at the Saint Patrick Day celebration and all the Indian gatherings.


29 posted on 02/24/2014 6:35:28 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

To all of my brothers and sisters on the Reservations, let me be the first to welcome you in our native tongue. Guten Tag!


30 posted on 02/24/2014 7:02:26 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If the boy’s parents were of the Clovis people, I would guess their European ties are to the Merovingians.


31 posted on 02/24/2014 1:51:25 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Research conducted on the boy's genes indicate that Native Americans have European roots."

I don't see how the reporter came to this conclusion.

Read the article here: The genome of a Late Pleistocene human from a Clovis burial site in western Montana

About the afinity to Euros -

"We found that the Anzick-1 individual showed a statistically significant closer affinity to all 52 Native American groups than to any extant Eurasian population"

"We used outgroup f3-statistics to evaluate the shared genetic history between all Native American populations and the Anzick-1 genome, the 24,000-year-old human sample from Mal’ta, Siberia5 and the 4,000- year-old Saqqaq Palaeo-Eskimo sample from Greenland19. We again found a closer relationship between Anzick-1 and all Native Americans ... Together with the fact that Anzick-1 shows the same relative affinity to western and eastern Eurasians, this suggests that the gene flow from the Mal’ta lineage into Native Americans happened before the NA and SA groups diverged."

The context here is that Europeans, East Asians and Native Americans all descend from the same Pliestocene population. That's why this ancient DNA shows an affinity with Europeans. It's not that he's European, it's that they share a common ancestry.

Lastly -

"In agreement with previous archaeological and genetic studies our genome analysis refutes the possibility that Clovis originated via a European (Solutrean) migration to the Americas."

32 posted on 02/24/2014 5:15:25 PM PST by Varda
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To: a fool in paradise; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks a fool in paradise, and thanks (may prefer to remain unnamed) for the link into here in FReepmail.
Despite general resistence, representatives of tribes in the US recently gave their blessing for DNA analysis of the remains of a Stone Age child... sprinkled with celebratory red dust and given distinctive stone artifacts for his last journey... some 12,600 years ago... from the Clovis culture... in present day Montana... Danish geneticist Eske Willerslev has analyzed the boy's origins and discovered that he descends from a Siberian tribe with roots tracing back to Europe. Some of the boy's ancestors are likely even to have lived in present-day Germany... More than 80 percent of all native peoples in the Americas... are descended from Montana boy's lineage.
And the other 20 percent... :')

33 posted on 02/25/2014 4:20:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv; Admin Moderator
and thanks (may prefer to remain unnamed) for the link

surely FR wouldnt retaliate or censor or censure but censer yeah they do know how to hold a candle

34 posted on 02/25/2014 6:00:13 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.


35 posted on 02/25/2014 6:10:59 PM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: bigheadfred

Sinceyer bringin’ in the big guns...


36 posted on 02/25/2014 6:19:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So these Europeans were here before the next wave came post-Columbus?


37 posted on 02/25/2014 6:51:20 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Bigg Red

Very, even though it’s a DNA study and involves a single set of human remains. Human artifacts at least twice (closer to three times) as old as these have not yet been found with human remains. When they are (I don’t have ESP, this is based on what as always happened in the past, the more stuff is studied, the more emerges), it will dump a lot of reputations (living and dead) on their asses.


38 posted on 02/25/2014 7:23:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Any Neanderthal DNA?


39 posted on 02/25/2014 7:48:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: bigheadfred

Can you spell NSA?

Stop pinging Admin Mod unless you have a good reason.

You have run out of your allotment of subtle little digs.


40 posted on 02/25/2014 8:35:46 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Berlin_Freeper

HAs anyone ever come up with a theory as to why human beings appeared on continents like Asia and Africa way back—but nowhere in either S. America or N. America is there evidence of humans until migrations occurred in relatively recent times ,viz 10-12,000 years ago?

Much of N. America is ecologically and climatologically friendly to human species for example, but no human evolution from the primordial slime?

Nor, for the religiously inclined, was God involved in seeding humans into the Americas, presumably for lack of interest.


42 posted on 02/26/2014 9:40:25 AM PST by wildbill
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To: oblomov
"Leftist: We stole the land from the Native Americans!
Me: Who did they steal it from?

Maybe these folks:

Vintage Skulls

The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old.(snip)

Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.(snip)

... but they imply that the first wave of people arrived in the Americas more than 30,000 years ago. This suggests archaeologists should be looking in older geological strata."

43 posted on 02/26/2014 2:41:32 PM PST by blam
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To: wildbill
"HAs anyone ever come up with a theory as to why human beings appeared on continents like Asia and Africa way back—but nowhere in either S. America or N. America is there evidence of humans until migrations occurred in relatively recent times ,viz 10-12,000 years ago?"

Many reputations have been destroyed challenging the 'Clovis Theory'.

Calico: A 200,000-year Old Site In The Americas?

Alleged 40,000-Year-Old Human Footprints In Mexico Much, Much Older Than Thought

44 posted on 02/26/2014 2:54:09 PM PST by blam
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To: BenLurkin; Theoria
"Any Neanderthal DNA?"

At 400,000 Years, Oldest Human DNA Yet Found Raises New Mysteries

45 posted on 02/26/2014 2:59:01 PM PST by blam
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