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Personal Experience | highnoon

Posted on 02/24/2014 8:30:33 AM PST by highnoon

Both of the following events occurred in Williamson County Texas, in a small town with a Hippo Mascot.

The week of Christmas 2013 I was pulled over for ‘not displaying my blinker for more than 100 feet’. After the normal chit chat, the officer asked for consent to search my vehicle, to which I refused. I was told that K9 was in route and to wait outside the vehicle. K9 never arrived and after 15 minutes of waiting I was released.

Fast forward to Saturday evening 2/22/14. I pulled onto the roadway and was immediately followed by a member of the local police force, who after a few seconds turned his headlights off, then turned them back on. I stopped at an intersection with the officer behind me, proceeded forward when the light turned green and pulled into a Walgreens – the officer did not follow. I sat in the parking lot for 2 or 3 minutes then pulled out and went on my way. In less than a minute I was being pulled over.

Reason given was ‘non visible license plate’. He then asked why I had pulled into and out of the Walgreens. I responded that I was avoiding trouble based on the events that occurred the week of Christmas. He asked to search the vehicle to which I consented. I mentioned the presence of my prescription Adderall and after a VERY thorough search the officer completed his search. He emerged with my pill bottle and mentioned that the bottle was 2 years old, and that the contents (30 mg) did not match the label (20 mg). I was told that my pills were being confiscated and that I had a few days to speak with a detective, present a valid prescription for the pills or a warrant would be issued. I have the most recent Rx bottle – labeled for 30 mg and I’m preparing to visit with the detective when it occurred to me to ask some of you for advice.

I feel that I have a target painted on my vehicle due to the refusal to consent to the Christmas week search. I also feel that if the reason I was pulled over on Saturday was the LP light, the officer should have made the stop instead of playing cat & mouse with me. These are things I want to say out loud to them, but restraint of pen & tongue has me asking the members of FR first.

Any and all input is appreciated and valued. Thanks in advance.

HN


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1 posted on 02/24/2014 8:30:33 AM PST by highnoon
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To: highnoon

Why let them search?


2 posted on 02/24/2014 8:33:32 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: highnoon

Sounds like you were illegally detained. The cops can’t keep you there JUST to wait for the K9 unit. They can only keep you long enough to conduct the stop and write a ticket unless they have probable cause.


3 posted on 02/24/2014 8:35:09 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: highnoon

You made a mistake by consenting to the search of your vehicle. I wouldn’t talk to the detective or any police. Instead, hire an attorney.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 8:35:22 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: highnoon

Another of Obama’s Brown Shirts!


5 posted on 02/24/2014 8:35:40 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: highnoon

Get a horse. ;-)

6 posted on 02/24/2014 8:35:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: highnoon

Get a new license plate. This happens to people who have bought cars at auction confiscated by the government for drug crimes.


7 posted on 02/24/2014 8:36:13 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: highnoon
Get a lawyer

NEVER EVER TALK TO POLICE

NEVER EVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH

watch this

8 posted on 02/24/2014 8:36:24 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Correction. Sounds like the pills gave them PC. NEVER consent to a search.


9 posted on 02/24/2014 8:36:45 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: highnoon

‘not displaying my blinker for more than 100 feet’??? Did you or anyone in your family p!ss off the cops recently. Looks like they got your number. Lawyer up!


10 posted on 02/24/2014 8:36:48 AM PST by gr8eman (Neptune, Titan, stars don't frighten!)
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To: highnoon

The job of the police department in Hutto is to be a revenue generator for the community. I refuse to call Hutto a city!

And never, ever consent to a police search of your vehicle if you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide.

Tell them to pound sand, in other words, get a warrant.

A routine traffic violation does not warrant a search of a vehicle.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 8:38:22 AM PST by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: highnoon

The police have the power of apprehension, put-down, and arrest - however they deem necessary.

They further have the power of gathering evidence, questioning witnesses and so forth. They control whatever information a district attorney sees (unless he/she is disposed to dig deeper from outside sources).

What makes you uneasy about this? I mean what makes you easy about an immature skin head, iron pumper with an attitude and full-regalia assault gear having a badge and ‘authoritay?’


12 posted on 02/24/2014 8:39:23 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: highnoon

NEVER EVER consent.

If they want to find something, they will.

Bring your attorney with or don’t go at all.


13 posted on 02/24/2014 8:39:48 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: highnoon

It’s common BS SOP in some communities where the LEO’s have nothing better to do but harrass anyone that’s an outsider which they can easily tell by the prefix on the license plate number (or at least that’s the way it used to be). They know outsiders are more likely to just go ahead and pay the ticket rather than driving back to contest it. I understand the reasons why because you have the right to face your accuser, witnesses, blah, blah, blah, etc...but personally I think that whole situation is just bull$hit to make money for the court systems. There are some small cities that depend on that money to pay their bills but have gone WAY past what they need out of greed and it’s just not right.


14 posted on 02/24/2014 8:40:02 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Paladin2
Why let them search?

Never let them search. If they ask for permission, give them a very polite no, then ask if you are free to go.

Beyond that, highnoon asks an important question. Is he being targeted for exercising his constitutional right to refuse a search? It would appear so. I hope some FR law enforcement types will weigh in on this.

15 posted on 02/24/2014 8:40:35 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: highnoon

Sounds like things have changed in the 7 years since I moved away from a town that bordered your town that has a hippo mascot. Sorry to hear of your troubles.


16 posted on 02/24/2014 8:40:53 AM PST by zlala (Thank you for the ultimate sacrifice Capt. Aaron R. Blanchard, KIA 4-23-13, Pul-E-Alam, Afghanistan.)
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17 posted on 02/24/2014 8:41:58 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: TurboZamboni

Search?

“NO, you’ll have to ask my lawyer about that”

Why not?

“Why do you ask? What’s YOUR reason and legal authority?”

Blah, blah.

“Wait until my lawyer gets here, then tell him that.”


18 posted on 02/24/2014 8:42:25 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: highnoon

I am going to shout the last word of this post. LAWYER!


19 posted on 02/24/2014 8:42:29 AM PST by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: highnoon

WHY DID YOU CONSENT TO A SEARCH????


20 posted on 02/24/2014 8:43:32 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: highnoon

Seek immediate legal representation and cease any direct contact with the Hutto PD without your lawyer present.


21 posted on 02/24/2014 8:45:01 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

No dogs were harmed in the making of this ping.


22 posted on 02/24/2014 8:46:01 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Alaska Wolf

No dogs were harmed in the making of this ping.


23 posted on 02/24/2014 8:46:10 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: highnoon

GET A LAWYER - NOW - and don’t consent to anything / and don’t speak to anyone without a lawyer present - they aren’t here to help and guide - theyre here for settling scores, and making sure you comply and boot lick, and to get convictions - convictions = job security


24 posted on 02/24/2014 8:47:36 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: highnoon

Get a Lawyer!

Williamson County has always been a “We are Your Overlords” when it comes to LEO’s

That WILL NEVER change. It’s the way they are.

Get a Lawyer!

ALWAYS REFUSE A SEARCH NO MATTER WHAT LEO OR WHERE YOU ARE.

ASK FOR THE WATCH COMMANDER/DUTY SGT TO BE PRESENT AT THE STOP LOCATION.

GET A LAWYER AND HAVE THEM ON RETAINER FOR THIS CRAP!!!

Yes Your ARE on the “list” of Flagged Plates and DL#

GET A LAWYER.........


25 posted on 02/24/2014 8:48:59 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: jsanders2001

Get an attorney and tell him the truth. The officer was intimidating you and he made it appear that if you didn’t consent to the search that he was going to keep ishing for a reason to ticket or arrest you. That’s referred to as official oppression. Sometimes its hard to prove in small towns where the whole court system is rigged by locals who’ve lived there all their lives and are guven their positions because of their bloodline. They’ll all work against you. You might file a formal complaint with the local FBI office after you speak to your local congressional representative. They love to get their name in the news anyway they can. The one thing Hutto will not like is publicity about this situation because once someone starts the ball rolling every other victim inluding the locals will come out about it.


26 posted on 02/24/2014 8:49:34 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: highnoon

Please speak with an attorney.


27 posted on 02/24/2014 8:49:36 AM PST by jocon307
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To: joseph20; highnoon
I wouldn’t talk to the detective or any police. Instead, hire an attorney.

Correct. The police do not exist to clear you of crimes. They exist to arrest you, guilty or innocent. NEVER SPEAK TO A COP, EVER, ABOUT ANYTHING. Get an attorney to do all your talking for you.

28 posted on 02/24/2014 8:51:05 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: highnoon
Go in with a lawyer. Do not go in alone.

Yes, you have been targeted. Police have obama egos, huge and touchy.

Make sure from now on to keep your medicine in it's bottle when it is with you. Yes it is a pain.

I would go so far as to get a different car if you can with the plate in your wife's name.

Never let them search your car unless they have a warrant. Never let them into your home. Never let them just "take a look around". The police (sadly) are not your friends.

29 posted on 02/24/2014 8:51:41 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: highnoon
I thought you wanted to pull me over, so I went into a Walgreen's parking lot so we ... WE ... would not be a road hazard .... you never followed so I figured you had accidently turned your lights off then on.

No ... you may not search my car.

No ... I CAN'T wait, my wife is sick and has to go to the hospital.

30 posted on 02/24/2014 8:52:04 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: highnoon
Number one, you need to get the hell out of there. Number two, why did you allow them to search your vehicle without a warrant? Number three, you need to talk with a lawyer.

And just between us girls, the police never engage in idle chit chat. Every word they speak is for a purpose. Never, never, never, never engage them in "idle" conversation. That is if you value your life and freedom. The rule of thumb is avoid contact with them like the plague and that is not possible, remain absolutely mute. The police are not your friend.

31 posted on 02/24/2014 8:52:05 AM PST by sport
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To: Paladin2

That’s funny....my office is in that photo


32 posted on 02/24/2014 8:53:36 AM PST by highnoon (Where do I sign up for all the free stuff??)
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To: highnoon

Why do you drive around with amphetamine in your car?

Why was it prescribed? Narcolepsy? ADHD?

How many do you take a day?

Amphetamine is a heavy duty drug and can affect your behavior and thought process in ways you may not even realize.

I would try to get off of amphetamines.


33 posted on 02/24/2014 8:53:47 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: highnoon
And incase You missed it

GET A LAWYER!!!

34 posted on 02/24/2014 8:54:03 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: SJSAMPLE
They can hold a person at a traffic stop for a legally undefined "reasonable period" to get a K9. Evidently that means 15 minutes in their opinion. Both of these stops were definitely fishing expeditions.

The best thing to do is get the prescriptions together, go into see the detective and give an exceedingly boring description of whatever causes you to need the medication.

Misuse of prescription drugs is a huge problem these days along with poor management by physicians. People that really need meds are caught in the middle.

35 posted on 02/24/2014 8:56:37 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: highnoon

I’m generally on the side of folks who’ve been stopped and bullied into a search if these are in towns which are using these tactics to confiscate your cash by claiming it is drug money or even confiscate the car. This is a elaboration of the old ‘speed trap’ and works for the police because of anti=drug laws. A town on IH 90 east of Houston was notorious for these types of stops.

If you refuse the search they will often take you into custody for the ‘violation’ which results in a trip to the local jail, a wait for a magistrate for bail and a future trial and towing of your car where it will be searched to ‘inventory’ your personal property in the car.

But this usually happens in towns which are using these tactics as a cash cow on folks passing through since innocent people have to pay for an attorney and go to trial to get their property back.

But I’d like to know more since you appear to be a resident of the town and not passing through. Do the police have any reason to suspect you of illegal activity or have a grudge against you? Small town cops usually don’t want to harass a citizen of their own town.


36 posted on 02/24/2014 8:58:17 AM PST by wildbill
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To: USNBandit
go into see the detective and give an exceedingly boring description of whatever causes you to need the medication WITH YOUR LAWYER
37 posted on 02/24/2014 8:58:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: highnoon

Never consent to a search and never volunatrily give more informastion than you have to.


38 posted on 02/24/2014 8:58:30 AM PST by GraceG
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To: sport
I will not get the hell out of here. I have worked in this town for 18 years.

I allowed them to search my vehicle because I had nothing to hide, and STUPIDLY hoped that it would cause the BS to stop.

I've already spoken with my civil attorney - he's consulting w/ a criminal atty.
39 posted on 02/24/2014 9:00:58 AM PST by highnoon (Where do I sign up for all the free stuff??)
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To: highnoon
Larger:


40 posted on 02/24/2014 9:01:39 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: wildbill

Unfortunately this is WILCO....county motto is “Come on vacation, leave on probation”

Between my woman and myself, 5 of our last 6 stops have been for lighting issues (blinker, LP light, etc).


41 posted on 02/24/2014 9:04:18 AM PST by highnoon (Where do I sign up for all the free stuff??)
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To: highnoon
Between my woman and myself, 5 of our last 6 stops have been for lighting issues (blinker, LP light, etc).

All in Hutto/WILCO and over what time range?

42 posted on 02/24/2014 9:07:19 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: highnoon

Does your local PD use a plate ID scanner ?

http://www.policeone.com/police-products/traffic-enforcement/license-plate-readers/

We have a few departments here in Maine who admit to having them. Others won’t comment.


43 posted on 02/24/2014 9:08:19 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Lazamataz
NEVER SPEAK TO A COP, EVER, ABOUT ANYTHING

Solid advice.

Although I've never been an officer, I come from a family of police officers (father; mother; brother; nephews). Without exception, all of them advised that throughout a traffic stop, especially if asked to consent to a search of your vehicle which you must refuse, do so politely and calmly (despite any inner turmoil). Then be sure to ask -- politely -- if you are free to go and, if not, if you are being detained. Some officers may get "huffy", but maintain your composure, be polite and you'll do just fine almost always.

44 posted on 02/24/2014 9:09:16 AM PST by glennaro
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To: mabarker1

” And incase You missed it
GET A LAWYER!!! “

What are you? One of those anti-police freepers who belong on DU??

(Just getting it in there before some of the Boot Licking Freepers start whining about how unfair you are to the policia )


45 posted on 02/24/2014 9:12:03 AM PST by GraceG
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To: SJSAMPLE

You’re being harassed. Get an attorney, any attorney if money is a problem. Find a local attorney who specializes in Civil Rights / police brutality, etc.. and make an appointment for a free consultation.


46 posted on 02/24/2014 9:14:10 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: highnoon

They are agents of the government..Never consent to anything.


47 posted on 02/24/2014 9:15:31 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: USNBandit

The courts ruled that the “reasonable period” was not for the arrival of the K9 team, but for a standard stop including the ticket. I think it was an appellate court out of Chicago that found that period to average 12-13 minutes. If they happen to get a dog there during that time, fine. But they cannot detain you JUST to wait for the dog unless they have PC.


48 posted on 02/24/2014 9:19:56 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: highnoon

Remember these words:

“Am I being detained, or am I free to go?”

There’s no “grey area” on that answer. They are either detaining you, for which they have to have a warrant or probable cause, or you are free to go. It’s literally that simple.

“I do not consent to any searches.”

This includes DUI tests. Your license might state that a condition of your driving privilege is that you consent to any sobriety tests, but that does not preclude your right to assert your 5th amendment right again self-incrimination. At worst, you’ll have to get a hardship license. At best, they’ll send you on your way.

“I wish to assert my right to remain silent.”

Even if you just rolled down your window to hand the nice officer your license and registration, you have the right to sit there, eyes front, hands at 10 and 2 and be completely silent. You don’t have to answer a single question. If they ask, just tell them that you are asserting your right to remain silent. It’s a right extended to EVERYONE, regardless of their reason for being on the road or anywhere.

The police do not have a right to ask you any questions, and if they want to search your vehicle, you either have to give them your consent or they have to produce a warrant. Even a K9 “hitting” on a scent from your car is not a right to search your car, it’s probable cause which is grounds to get a warrant. That is all.

Consenting to the police NEVER ends well, and you’ve learned that lesson first hand. They are in the business of revenue generation in the form of fines, probation costs, etc. They are NOT in the business of protecting you.


49 posted on 02/24/2014 9:20:01 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: highnoon
I will not get the hell out of here.

I got on the 'wrong side' of a 'pillar of the community', and now am being harassed all the time here in Red Hampshire. My wife and I live in fear 24/7. Sometimes getting the hell out is the only way to save your life.

50 posted on 02/24/2014 9:20:10 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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