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Leftists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism
The Telegraph ^ | February 25th, 2014 | Daniel Hannan

Posted on 02/25/2014 3:44:02 PM PST by cripplecreek

On 16 June 1941, as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa, Josef Goebbels looked forward to the new order that the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars. Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.


Goebbels never doubted that he was a socialist. He understood Nazism to be a better and more plausible form of socialism than that propagated by Lenin. Instead of spreading itself across different nations, it would operate within the unit of the Volk.


So total is the cultural victory of the modern Left that the merely to recount this fact is jarring. But few at the time would have found it especially contentious. As George Watson put it in The Lost Literature of Socialism:

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too.


The clue is in the name. Subsequent generations of Leftists have tried to explain away the awkward nomenclature of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party as either a cynical PR stunt or an embarrassing coincidence. In fact, the name meant what it said.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: europe; fascism; leftism; nationalsocialism; nationalsocialist; nazi; rightwing; socialism
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Very interesting editorial from Daniel Hannan on the use of the term "Right wing" to describe fascism and nazis.

He's a lot more diplomatic about it than I would be but its still a very interesting article.
1 posted on 02/25/2014 3:44:02 PM PST by cripplecreek
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To: cripplecreek
what part of national SOCIALIST German workers party don't they understand???
2 posted on 02/25/2014 3:47:06 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: cripplecreek

Self-ping to read later.


3 posted on 02/25/2014 3:48:01 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

Socialism isn’t just the root of fascism, it’s the entire organism.


4 posted on 02/25/2014 3:51:00 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cripplecreek

to read later


5 posted on 02/25/2014 3:55:46 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: cripplecreek

Good find. Pass this along to every Liberal you know and watch their heads implode. I predict they will ultimately shake their heads and walk away. After all, what Liberals can’t accept the simply reject and continue to believe in unicorns and rainbows. Nice job. Thank you.


6 posted on 02/25/2014 3:57:24 PM PST by majormaturity
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To: cripplecreek
And speaking of socialism here is some pearls of wisdom from Lenin which zer0 got from Saul Alinsky

"The goal of socialism is communism." ...............and the ever popular "The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." Vladimir Lenin

7 posted on 02/25/2014 4:01:34 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: cripplecreek
I read an article on line a few years ago that labeled Nazis as right wingers. I sent an email to the author (a college professor, much smarter than any of us, doncha know) explaining that the Nazis were socialists, LEFT WINGERS. The author's assistant responded to me, saying that the author identified them that way because that was the way they were traditionally identified, or some nonsense. I responded to her that it was incorrect, and a slur against conservatives.

Surprise, surprise, no response.

8 posted on 02/25/2014 4:01:42 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, of course. The real reason why the Communists hated the Nazis so much was because they were competing for the same territory.

Hitler got a lot of his ideas from Mussolini—who started out his political career as a card-carrying Communist.


9 posted on 02/25/2014 4:02:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: cripplecreek

I remind lefties of my acquaintance of this all the time. Sunlight to vampires.


10 posted on 02/25/2014 4:05:09 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: cripplecreek

I thought they banned incandescent bulbs... oh that’s right... just the bright ones, which liberals are not.


11 posted on 02/25/2014 4:08:38 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: cripplecreek

“Leftists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism”

The headline needs a little tweaking.

Leftists become “CFL or LED” when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism


12 posted on 02/25/2014 4:10:10 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: Cicero

Goebbels took a lot of his propaganda directly from a book called “Crystallizing public opinion” by Wilsonian progressive Edward Bernays.

I actually try to moderate my opinion of Bernays with the idea that he was more of a fool than an evil man. He did a lot of good things in his life and was genuinely horrified upon finding that his propaganda methods were being used by the nazi.


13 posted on 02/25/2014 4:10:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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“It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too.”

Kind of hard to hide when Nazi stands for National Socialism. Perhaps we should stop calling them Nazis and call them National Socialists instead. It would be a correct moniker for them.

“The clue is in the name. Subsequent generations of Leftists have tried to explain away the awkward nomenclature of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party as either a cynical PR stunt or an embarrassing coincidence. In fact, the name meant what it said.”

Bingo!


14 posted on 02/25/2014 4:18:29 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Chode

Indeed. And the volkswagen literally means “the people’s wagon”. Sounds like a very socialist friendly term IMHO.


15 posted on 02/25/2014 4:19:54 PM PST by ReformationFan
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Workers of all lands, unite - to smash the rule of English capitalism! You young upward-striving nations of the earth, combine to annihilate the old English dragon who blocks the treasures of the earth and withholds from you the riches of the world.

-Robert Ley, German Labor front leader under Hitler.

Proving another leftist lie that Hitler outlawed unions. Hitler pulled labor and trade unions together under one roof.
16 posted on 02/25/2014 4:25:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Hannan has said something that desperately needs saying.

Hitler was a Fascist. And Fascists are Socialists.

Whereas Communism involves the state's ownership of the means of production, Fascism requires the state to merely control the means of production.

Observe The Won's cultivation of and cozy relationship with the corporatists. Obama, Buffet, GE, Hollywood, etc. are no different than Hitler, Krupp, Thyssen, Riefenstahl, etc.

Personally, I disagree with some of Hannan's more generous conclusions. Many leftists would not hesitate to send global warming skeptics to the camps...if they could.

The George Bernard Shaw quote, in particular, is absolutely chilling. Especially, since there are leftist intellectuals today who hold the same thoughts...

17 posted on 02/25/2014 4:33:19 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: cripplecreek

bump


18 posted on 02/25/2014 4:34:24 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: okie01
Personally, I disagree with some of Hannan's more generous conclusions. Many leftists would not hesitate to send global warming skeptics to the camps...if they could.

Yeah, that's what I meant about him being more diplomatic about it than I would be.
19 posted on 02/25/2014 4:35:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek; ek_hornbeck
I'm a critic of the traditional American conservative insistence on a spectrum that runs from totalitarianism on one side to anarchism on the other (or collectivism on one side to individualism on the other), because it simply doesn't fit the original conception of "left" and "right wing" where the terms originated.

However--Josef Goebbels was indeed a left wing Nazi, almost an urban revolutionary (like the Strasser brothers and Ernst Rohm). There are even mainstream historians who admit this.

20 posted on 02/25/2014 4:37:35 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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