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Iím Not a Child. I Am a Dog.
Rumpy Dog ^ | February 21, 2014 | Rumpy Dog

Posted on 02/25/2014 11:47:21 PM PST by Dallas59

In case you haven’t heard, an Alaskan Malamute killed a 6 day old baby in Wales this week. The dad had brought the dog home from the pub several months earlier because someone said they were going to get rid of it.

This news makes me incredibly sad. It also makes me painfully aware that the breed may soon be as demonized as the Pit Bull.

But humans also carry some responsibility for this tragedy. What with your fanciful ideas about dogs and such.

So at the risk of upsetting some of my readers, let me state what should be obvious to each of you.

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I don’t care how many dresses or bow ties or hats you put on them, dogs are not human children. You can call them your baby and refer to yourself as mommy or daddy, but they are dogs. And as a dog, they will act in ways that dogs do. Clothing does not transform behavior. Only training will do that.

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1 posted on 02/25/2014 11:47:21 PM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

No matter how nice a dog is or how compliant they appear to be, you should not leave a dog alone with a baby. It does not matter the breed.


2 posted on 02/25/2014 11:54:37 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

That’s not really true, I trust my dog more than most people. Long track record, and actually a sentient being. I saw her looking at the stars the other night when I was out in the jacuzzi.


3 posted on 02/25/2014 11:58:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Dallas59

Humans do carry some responsibility but, not always.

Dead dog no matter what...


4 posted on 02/26/2014 12:01:30 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DesertRhino

No kidding?

Your dog bring you beer too?

Does he have a sister?

LOL


5 posted on 02/26/2014 12:02:25 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Dallas59

Never bring a dog into your family before you have children. Dogs understand pecking orders. If you get a dog before you have children, your children will be lower on the pecking order than the dog, and the dog will fight for position against the child. If you bring in the dog after the children are a few years old, it will understand the children are higher in the pecking order than they are.


6 posted on 02/26/2014 12:08:42 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Dallas59

Had a coworker who owned a Husky. He was a really big dog, an Alpha-type male.

She baby sat her sister’s daughter, just a toddler about 2-years old, and noticed her Husky checking out the child. Then he began to stalk her.

She quickly grabbed the little girl and put her in the house. She called her dog and put him in his dog run, giving him a treat as she did so.

She never baby sat her niece again until she found someone who would give her dog a good, loving home. That is when she decided that it was time to start a family.


7 posted on 02/26/2014 12:09:05 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: DesertRhino

I have the nicest dog in the world. It’s very people friendly and non-harmful. It really, really likes my cats, though they aren’t as reciprocative.

However, it is still a dog and will do doggy things. It will react in a dog-like way to the stimulus around it. That leaves the potential for unintended harm if it is around a child without constant supervision.

That does not mean a dog wants to harm a child, but its natural reactions leaves open that possibility when left to its own devices. Anybody who doesn’t recognize that simple fact leave themselves open to very unfortunate experiences, like that couple in Britain.


8 posted on 02/26/2014 12:11:38 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I don’t have a problem getting a dog before having kids. I can’t predict the future as to when I might have kids, after getting the dog.

But until the child is at least 4 or 5, I would never leave it alone with the dog. For both their protections.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 12:16:17 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

I have a friend who cannot discipline his young son when his Doberman is around because the dog will attack him if he does. That dog loves and protects the young boy. It really is a unique relationship. The boy is 5.


10 posted on 02/26/2014 1:19:52 AM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Dallas59; Joe 6-pack

Doggie ping


11 posted on 02/26/2014 2:02:37 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Dallas59

People do far worse things than dogs and unlike a dog they do it by choice.


12 posted on 02/26/2014 2:10:48 AM PST by maddog55
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To: Vince Ferrer

I don’t believe this is always the case, though it often is.

Dogs are merely modified wolves. In most wolf packs only the alpha male and female will breed. The other wolves will help raise the cubs. This paradigm usually, though not always, carries over to the human/dog pack.

I suspect the safety of the children is often dependent on the extent to which the human alphas succeed in filling that role effectively in the minds of their dogs.


13 posted on 02/26/2014 2:21:03 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: South40

That very trait kept me from being molested by my uncle and arbitrarily whipped by my dad.

Dobermanns rule.


14 posted on 02/26/2014 2:33:02 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Dallas59
After my wife was mauled by my son's Great Dane, I learned that most dog owners have a dirty little secret.

That secret is that their dog, too, has either attacked or bitten them or someone else at one time or other.

15 posted on 02/26/2014 3:11:02 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Jonty30

I think I would not be very nervous about leaving a Chihuahua with an infant...

But I would never leave a large dog unattended with a small child.


16 posted on 02/26/2014 3:25:27 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: DesertRhino; Dallas59

I think Dallas59 is right on this one.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 3:32:32 AM PST by Usagi_yo (Standardization is an Evolutionary dead end.)
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To: South40

Your friend needs to establish who’s is charge or bad things well happen.


18 posted on 02/26/2014 4:31:17 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: SatinDoll

A friend of the family had a husky that had been raised as a pup with numerous cats in the apartment. One day the dog grabbed one of the cats when it walked by and snapped its neck. It had never been aggressive before. I had a big female years after that, it would attack any animal. It chased horses one time when it got out of the yard. It easily got out of a 3’ chain link fence until I added charged wires top and bottom.

Huskies are prey driven. A friend baby sat the dog when we had to go on a trip. It got loose and killed a bunch of chickens and ducks. I’ll never have another.


19 posted on 02/26/2014 4:34:45 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Dallas59

I wouldn’t even leave my 5 lb maltie mutt alone with an infant. If he managed to get to it he would lovingly lick its face and smothered it with love. Dogs decision making processes are pretty limited to fierce protection of themselves and owners. You don’t leave an infant alone with a two-year old toddler, do you? Love and train my dog to be well behaved and loving, but he is not an adult human.


20 posted on 02/26/2014 4:52:00 AM PST by Ms. Blunt
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To: Usagi_yo
"I think Dallas59 is right on this one."

I agree. I have two words that solve this problem: Labrador Retriever. The only breed we have ever had. Terminally happy dogs. They love kids too, especially those who throw tennis balls for them. Almost any other breed, I don't trust. I had a mean-ass cute little Chihuahua bite my ankle once for no reason.

21 posted on 02/26/2014 4:54:09 AM PST by DE50AE
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To: South40

that is not unique,it’s dangerous as the dobie is not recognizing who is in authority and that the child is not his.
We had dobies,they are an incredible breed but one time one simply gave that look, when 1 of our children WAS BEING TOLD SOMETHING-and was immediately put under command to SIT then out as in get out of this area NOW,
He was an incredible dog,a good guy but small kids and dogs can make issues of “dominance” and you know it too-he ain’t the boss.
He came into the house when there were only 2 kids under the age of 3 and was introduced to each new arrival on a leash,under command having scented the baby blanket before I went home and thankfully there were never any issues as our family grew.
My kids had to be watched as they always were trying to ride him he would let them climb up but would simply sit down and they would slide off,they used him as support while learning to walk,those show cropped ears fascinated them-he was protected from them LOL but he was extremely tolerant and did enjoy the kids but knew the limits.
He was very smart,understood his place,was reminded only once that time and did guard the children when everyone went downstairs to the street.
People were fascinated-he would sit on the stoop and watch the children and if an adult went near them he would stand up and people would get back,but if i were there,he knew who was in charge, and remain alert-i was always here with my kids as well and he was always with us.
Very good dog once he understood his job and very easily “fine tuned” so to say.
still miss that dog after all the years he’s gone.
You love them all but some were truly an outstanding dog.


22 posted on 02/26/2014 5:17:56 AM PST by catroina54
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To: sonofagun

Golden retrievers and golden labs are the safest breeds of dogs one can have. They have almost no,record of ever attacking anybody.


23 posted on 02/26/2014 7:41:56 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: DE50AE

“I had a mean-ass cute little Chihuahua bite my ankle once for no reason.”

He bit your ankle because that was as high up as he could reach.


24 posted on 02/26/2014 7:52:05 AM PST by PLMerite
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To: All
I can't imagine leaving my dog unattended with a child.

I very closely supervise every interaction that takes place between him and a non-family member. Just a sensible precaution.


25 posted on 02/26/2014 10:17:50 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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26 posted on 02/26/2014 10:38:55 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Bull crap.

The pecking order is adjusted every time a member is added or subtracted.

It also changes as alpha gets older and the younger gets stronger.

We had dogs at home when we had our first child and none of your fantasy played out.


27 posted on 02/26/2014 10:53:33 AM PST by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: DE50AE

Google Labrador Retriever attacks.

It happens much more often than people realize.


28 posted on 02/26/2014 11:01:02 AM PST by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: Dallas59

Totally in tune with this. Tired of people being too gags over dogs (and other animals), spewing platitudes and pablum about what they are. Cesar Milan has it right - they are dogs, not human. They need to be dogs, and you need to let them be dogs. Respect them as dogs, don’t love(?) them as humans. We’d have many fewer dog problems if that was the view.


29 posted on 02/26/2014 11:58:06 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Eaker

Well, I wouldn’t put it that way, myself, but a big part of the problem (or “the” problem) is when dogs are allowed to maintain “alpha” status in the pack. The owner is the alpha. Or they better be.

I would never leave an infant or small child alone with a dog, period- no matter the history, how much I might trust them, or how much they love the kids.
I don’t leave my dogs home alone to fend for themselves if there were a fire or a break-in, either- so maybe I’m just weird.


30 posted on 02/26/2014 1:40:50 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Jonty30

Spitz type dogs have been on “the dangerous dog lists” forever, with not one but *two* represented.
[Husky and Malamute]

Why are people shocked?

http://www.petsdo.com/blog/top-ten-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds

http://listverse.com/2012/05/04/top-10-deceptively-dangerous-dog-breeds/

[Love the Dobe “disclaimer” on this one] :D

http://www.curiosityaroused.com/nature/top-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-based-on-bite-fatalities/

And a Siberian breeder who has taken the time to make sense of it all.

http://www.onqsiberians.org/dangerous_dog_list.htm


31 posted on 02/26/2014 2:01:12 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: exDemMom

Pomeranians have killed babies.

A dog is a dog, regardless of breed or size and should not be left alone with babies.


32 posted on 02/26/2014 2:06:54 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Eaker

This ^.

Pack hierarchy constantly changes, often imperceptibly, sometimes moment by moment but usually so subtly we humans never notice.

The pack is fluid.


33 posted on 02/26/2014 2:13:24 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander

I think what I had in mind is that the Chihuahua would not be able to reach the baby. Unless they are really good climbers or jumpers and can somehow get into the crib?


34 posted on 02/26/2014 4:54:29 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Just a general statement, really.

I assume somebody left the baby within reach of the Pom.

Chihuahuas have no problem jumping onto sofas so that’s a good 18-24”, right there.


35 posted on 02/26/2014 5:16:55 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: KGeorge; Salamander

I am not part of the pack. I am their master, period. If I was part of the pack then it would acceptable for a member of the pack to challenge me and that ain’t happening.

One of the dogs is alpha in the pack. In my home it is the pit mix. It used to be one of the smaller males but the pit got big and the torch was passed.

Only an idiot would leave a small child or baby alone with a dog so I am not going to address that issue.

I can’t take all six of my dogs to work or to the gun range so they are left to fend for themselves. They can stay inside if the weather is bad or go out the doggie door if one of them starts a fire.


36 posted on 02/26/2014 6:49:17 PM PST by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: Eaker

“or go out the doggie door if one of them starts a fire.”

*chuckle*

Here, bizarrely, it seems to switch between huge Odin and Gypsy the little Portuguese Podengo Medio.

Inside, it’s mostly Odin.

Outside, the fleet of foot and infinitely agile yet puny velociraptor Gypsy is the scourge of the pack.

Odin goes out and lifts that leg up and gloatingly marks his domain as high as he can reach...and then she zips in from behind and nips his hamstrings, causing him to stop mid-stream and assume a defensive crouch.

He gets the point.

:)


37 posted on 02/26/2014 9:18:02 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Eaker

I understand. And disagree with none of what you’ve said.

One of mine is blind from birth & now, has neurological issues that sometimes make getting around difficult for her & another is extremely old & only emerges from senility when there’s people food or she realizes the door is open to go out (then, she’s *very* spry). Then I have 2 boys who are itching to kill each other & have to be kept separated. :shrug: I made my bed. I’ll live with it & be fine w/ that.


38 posted on 02/26/2014 9:33:05 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Dallas59
My step mother just received a rescue dog, roughly 8 months old, one who had been returned to the pound TWICE due to behavior problems (her daughter just showed up one day and dropped the dog off there), and she's been trying to "reason with the dog" when he misbehaves. I've tried to convince her that she needs to involve a professional behaviorist and trainer in order to get the dog under control, but she just brushes my advice aside.

The problem is that she's attempting to treat the dog like a human, but it seems that the dog is both an animal, and one that was never properly socialized to begin with.

Mark

39 posted on 02/26/2014 9:54:42 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: South40
My father in law discovered the same thing about his Doberman. He was going to give his son a (according to the son well deserved) spanking. She grabbed his hand in her mouth and "held". FIL patted dog, told her she was a good dog and from then on made sure dog was outside, doors and windows were closed and curtains were drawn before any of the kids were disciplined.

She was just doing her job, protecting the young ones.

40 posted on 02/26/2014 10:00:49 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Salamander

Sounds like Gypsy is the brains of the operation. :-)


41 posted on 02/28/2014 3:57:46 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

For reasons I’ve never discovered, Dobermanns are bonkers about kids.

Mine acts a damn fool if he spies one.

He goes through his entire trick repertoire, of his own accord, just to entice them near enough to slobber all over them.

It’s weird.

He won’t tolerate anybody else near me and my “joke” is that if I’m ever murdered, it will be at the hands of a gang of toddlers.

:)


42 posted on 02/28/2014 6:37:11 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Altariel

She’s kind of creepy like that.

:D


43 posted on 02/28/2014 6:37:50 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander

So how many times has she coaxed Odhinn to obey her evil bidding? :-(


44 posted on 02/28/2014 7:34:54 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

:-( = :-)


45 posted on 02/28/2014 7:35:21 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Gypsy does not “coax”.

She terrorizes and strong-arms.

:)

[it’s not for nothing we call her The Velociraptor]


46 posted on 02/28/2014 8:44:29 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Salamander

Fine. How many times has she “terrorized” and “strong armed” Odhinn to do her evil bidding (and no doubt, “take the fall” should he fail in his mission)? :)


47 posted on 02/28/2014 8:46:05 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Probably every time he’s done something bone headed.

Hard to say, really...she’s just *that* good.

;]


48 posted on 03/01/2014 1:49:34 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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