Skip to comments.Colo. Marijuana Businesses Embrace New Drug at Center of DEA Crackdown in Calif
Posted on 02/26/2014 7:38:14 PM PST by posterchild
While Drug Enforcement Administration agents in California are cracking down on the popular new drug known as wax, people in Colorado are rushing to embrace it.
Wax, the ultimate distillation of marijuana, is so potent that it is said a single hit will keep a person high for more than a day.
There is no weed out there that possesses the punching power that the wax does, an undercover DEA informant who asked to remain anonymous told ABC News Nightline. And its like smoking 20 joints of the best grade of weed that you have into one hit of the wax.
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>> Hill moved his whole family from Texas to Colorado to try to get into the wax business.
Good riddance. Stay up there, loser.
Wax is made by extracting cannabis plant matter with liquid butane. You better know what you are doing playing with butane!
Sadly here in taxifornia any time the liberals and demonrats see another tax opportunity they jump at it, so I bet they want to follow Colorado soon. They have never seen a tax they didn’t like and don’t give a damn about the people.
Colorado has gone to pot.
It’s called “Coma Oil” for a reason.
Some people actually feel paralyzed by it and others mistakenly take their usual assortment of “scripts” with it, only to “blow it” all out, right along with anything they ingested....
It’s all fun til you can’t move or end up on the floor...
The butane is separated by water and ice.
There is no real detectable amount in the finished product...
So is this high grade hash?
Explains a lot!
The man is an obvious liar.
The best grade weed today is already 20% cannabanoids by dry weight.
We could at least expect these guys to tell the truth, right?
Hash oil has been around for nearly 40years. "Wax" has little difference.
Yeah, not so much.
I think that DEA agent gets paid more if it seems like a scarier drug. I smoked it a year or so ago. I preferred great plant over that mess. Its not heroin, its grass concentrate. It was disgusting and nowhere near as good as great hash.
There’s a special on Nightline about the stuff where they are ooing and awwing all over it with people entering into a contest to see who can make the best product”. If you think the stuff is harmless take a look at the people making and smoking it. Speaks for itself...
13 you make fine point re exaggeration.
14 you show your colors.
You should quit smoking dope.
Your life will be better.
You should stick to subjects you know something about your life would be better. :)
It’s not good for you or your loved ones.
Your reaction to my comment confirmed you know what I’m saying is true.
What you’re saying is uninformed BS. But thanks for your concern!
Why do you think I’m “uninformed” or don’t know what I’m talking about?
It’s obvious from your comments. It’s also unquestionable that you don’t know me or the other FReepers you’re advising. What should I believe anyway, 43 years of experience or an anonymous know-it-all on the internet?
a single hit will keep a person high for more than a day
A Leftist utopia. All day spent high and doing nothing.
Nancy Pelosi approves
You don’t need to believe me because you already know what I’m saying is true.
I’m just saying what you know.
It’s a waste of time, money and your life.
You participate here. If you were a liberal I might not even bother trying to encourage you like this.
“What should I believe anyway, 43 years of experience or an anonymous know-it-all on the internet?”
Board certified shrink, 25 years in the trenches. Almost as much time practicing Tibetan Buddhist “Highest Yoga Tantra.” A dozen years professionally exploring the healing and transformative potential of altered states, including three years formal study with Stan Grof. Probably took my weight in the most heavy duty psychedelics over the years, and guided for others more times than I could possibly count.
Getting stoned on marijuana? You don’t have to believe me either, but your proudly proclaimed “43 years of experience” amounts to the waste of a precious human life. You have my compassion.
ER docs, trauma surgeons, medics etc. are the ones in the trenches.
I have utmost respect for the physical medical professionals you cite.
However, exploration of the body/mind, consciousness and the Universe beyond our limited perspective within the physical world is an entirely different animal.
Even with the best surgeons and most advanced nano-surgery, I doubt we will ever be able to “fix” most cases of mental illness physically. It truly goes beyond that. It goes beyond everyTHING.
Butane is a cryo solvent that is VERY flammable (it’s used as fuel) and it is dangerous during the evaporation stage.
Thanks for bringing some sanity to the thread
Not in the trenches?
Much state hospital work, including previous directorship of state forensic unit - quite the trenches. Much public mental health clinic work over the years - quite the trenches. Much acute inpatient work, mostly on involuntary units - quite the trenches. Some drug and alcohol detox units - quite the trenches. Professionally, I mostly prescribe meds, and am considered very skillful at it, but I also keep my skills up with talk therapy. Certified in ECT and TMS, BTW, and on national committees for the later. Clean record. Yada yada.
Wanna know how many times I’ve been assaulted out there in the trenches over the years? Mental health workers, BTW, have higher rates of job-related morbidity and mortality than ER workers, and even higher rates than LEOs and active duty military.
The one side of my story has never deterred from the other, and they have actually blended well, and I think my experience in both gives me a unique perspective on the supposed “harmlessness” of marijuana. Hence my post. Sorry that it was, for you, merely an opportunity for a put down.
What is your professional opinion of Grof’s breathwork?
I recall the Findhorn scandals, and I know a few folks who are very longtime practitioners of Steiner’s breathwork, being touted everywhere as Mindfulness Meditation. Watching the lives of the Steinerites over 20 years or so, I don’t see much of either an upside or a downside for the practitioners. They do, however, charge a lot for workshops in the method.
Trungpa Rinpoche coined a phrase for the kind of compassion you're experiencing. Idiot Compassion.
Keep your day job. You’re no Madame Cleo. ;-)
Why do you smoke dope?
Your question would seem to be a non-sequitur deflection from the topic discussed so far but I will answer it anyway. For the same reasons that I occasionally drink a Bel Haven or a Kahlua. It’s relaxing and enjoyable.
I’m SO impressed! From now on, I’m putting social workers on the same pedestal as battle-hardened combat veterans!
How often do you smoke dope?
Not often these days. I am surprised that you’re asking after having made so many assumptions previously on a variety of things. That’s an improvement. :)
“a phrase for the kind of compassion you’re experiencing.”
LOL! Well, two points - one is the validity of anything Trungpa said, and the second is your assumption about the kind of compassion you think I’m experience . . .
“What is your professional opinion of Grofs breath work?”
Well, Im tempted to say, Dont get me started! Ill try to just hit the highlights.
Holotropic Breathwork is OK, IMO, for someone who doesnt want to take psychedelics, but it really has much less transformative potential. It is, however, safer, psychologically.
I enjoyed the opportunity to learn it and use it, although ultimately I got tired of running workshops using it because it simply turned into yet another quasi-cult-like New Age scene of the most narcissistically-tinged sort. I really dont like that sort of thing at all.
I did enjoy the education and the people and the venues where we trained in it - great times. The sustained hyperventilation actives the mind-body energy in a manner suggestive of - but only remotely on a par with - psychedelics. The use of evocative music and focused body work to move the trip and the energy along was great to learn as well.
During my dozen years of heavy-duty altered states work/research, I quickly gravitated to the major leagues: high dose acid/shrooms/peyote (with or without adjuncts such as harmaline, datura, tobacco) as well as ayahuasca, and ibogaine a few times. Solo or guided journeys were interspersed with traditional ritual group use with some of these. Guiding, and learning to do that well, was also a great education.
It surprised me that the primary things psychedelics ended up teaching me on deep levels were the fundamental importance of conservative values, family, friendship, classical virtues and moral philosophy. They were also really good - some more than others, though - at actually teaching me how to use them better. But at some point they stopped teaching anything more: I had got the message, and I hung up the phone.
My gravitation to Eastern religions actually started before Id ever used psychedelics. Over the years, this push led me to the Highest Yoga Tantra practices that come down to us through Tibetan Buddhism. The energies and blessings flowing through these practices make psychedelics look like a blunt instrument by comparison. In the Tibetan practices, not only does one learn to generate these energies and states on ones own, but to do so reproducibly, and in a manner easier to work with. And, most importantly, the use of these energies and states are not just narcissistically cultivated, but done so with the expressed purpose of using the wisdom gained to alleviate the suffering of others.
Ill stop here. That should be enough.
As for Trungpa, I know his Dharma and the Dharma of those who considered him a highly realized man. I don't know yours. It's not very evident in the kind of ego-attachment that would lead to publicly insulting a widely recognized lama like that.
How much is not that often?
Thanx. Succinct and honest. I have noted the narcissism in the local practitioners/instructors. I have also sensed exploitation of the newest students. People are promised far more than a simple workshop could ever deliver. The monetary component is also quite high.
IMO, you were quite brave. Most of those drugs scare me. I have read about the mystical practices and your experience matches what I gleaned about the Tibetan practices, also that it takes quite a large amount of personal commitment.
As children of the 60s, my husband and I both totally understand “getting the message and hanging up the phone.”
What difference does it make? Honestly. This entire line of inquiry is off topic and irrelevant. All it serves to do is illuminate just how poorly informed your original assumptions were and that wasn’t necessary either.
What original assumption?
I am in good faith trying to talk to a fellow conservative (I assume) who partakes in a destructive behavior and I’d like to talk to in a friendly manner about.
With the goal being you stop smoking dope.
I note when push came to shove, you don’t want to say how much you actually do smoke.
You note nothing other than my irritation with non-sequitur off topic attempts to deflect this thread into a personal focus on me instead of the subject.
In the last few years I probably smoke some pot a half dozen times a year. Now you know so tell me what difference it makes since you avoided answering that question before.
What you say is true, TigersEye. You are entirely correct on all counts. No further comeback from me. You win.
[When, out of envy, others mistreat me with abuse, insult, or the like, I shall at all times practice accepting defeat and offering the victory to others.
From The Eight Verses of Training the Mind, by Geshe Langri Tangpa.]
Speak ill of marijuana and potheads go crazy, almost as if they’re afraid of someone taking their stash and they act as if they’re addicted and can’t exist without it..
Just an observation.
It means you are not a pot head. Most dope smokers smoke it regularly.
Now, if you can drop the six times a year you’ll be fully free of it.
What you call assumptions are more like physical law, no need to assume.
Are you Christian?