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The film that makes Private Ryan look like kids' stuff: The Russians are coming...
UK Daily Mail ^ | February 27, 2014 | Max Hastings

Posted on 02/27/2014 6:38:27 AM PST by C19fan

A handful of soldiers, beleaguered by a Nazi host in a wrecked city apartment building, prepare to sell their lives dearly on celluloid. Does the scenario sound familiar? It should. For 70 years, the British and Americans have been making heroic movies about World War II, some of which are etched in our culture. But now for something different: Russian film-makers have got in on the act. They have created a 3D epic set for the film Stalingrad, about the most famous battle in their history, and the movie has become one of the biggest domestic box office hits of all time. Now, British audiences can see for themselves this amazingly noisy, bloody, cliche-laden, rubble-making version of the war.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: stalingrad; war
The director of the movie is the son of Sergei Bondarchuk who starred and directed the over 7 hours masterpiece "War and Peace".
1 posted on 02/27/2014 6:38:27 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Enemy at the Gates was a good movie about the snipers in Stalingrad.


2 posted on 02/27/2014 6:40:13 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Emergency Emergency everyone to get from street.

3 posted on 02/27/2014 6:44:48 AM PST by corkoman
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To: Resolute Conservative

The More I watched Saving Private Ryan, the more it sucks. The first part was awesome....the rest of the movie is awful.


4 posted on 02/27/2014 6:45:01 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: C19fan

“In the Russian Army, it take more courage to retreat than to advance.”
—Uncle Joe


5 posted on 02/27/2014 6:48:02 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Yorlik803

It was great up until they let the nazi go instead of wasting him.


6 posted on 02/27/2014 6:48:26 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: C19fan

Who is going to see a movie about Nazis versus Communists?

There’s no rooting interest.


7 posted on 02/27/2014 6:52:03 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Yorlik803
SPR had one bit in one scene so unbelievably awesome ... and believable ...

Opening scene on the beach and a guy in silhouette returns to pick up his arm, turn around and continue towards the fight.

THAT bit has more humanity in it than I can explain.

8 posted on 02/27/2014 6:53:25 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Yorlik803

It lost me when I saw Ted Danson the paratrooper.


9 posted on 02/27/2014 6:54:39 AM PST by skeeter
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To: C19fan

Stalingrad: An IMAX 3D Experience


10 posted on 02/27/2014 6:57:37 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Yorlik803
When I first saw 'Saving Private Ryan' there was a large group of maybe twenty WW II Vets sitting in an area reserve for then.

I will always remeber the silence when the movie was over the Theather and people started leaving.

I had planned to stop and shake hands with some of the vets on my way out, but when I got to them many had tears running down their faces. Sudenly I had the feeling that to do so would be like barging in on a family's private grief so I didn't.

That was one of a handful of days that I felt the sting of Shakepeare's words:

And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
11 posted on 02/27/2014 7:03:17 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Resolute Conservative

Enemy at the Gates was an awful movie, speaking historically.

It could have been excellent if they’d concentrated on the man-vrs.-man duel in the midst of a great battle.

/Not that I wouldn’t eagerly watch Rachel Weisz load a dryer on a Saturday morning.


12 posted on 02/27/2014 7:13:30 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Kartographer

All the vets I’ve spoken to who were present at D-Day (a dozen or so) all complained that the movie never showed everyone throwing up once the firing died down and the panic receded.


13 posted on 02/27/2014 7:16:12 AM PST by warchild9
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To: C19fan

There are some good movies from Europe and Asia. I have the 7 hour version of War and Peace, both the cut for TV KULTUR version and the better Russian Cinema Council widescreen version. I first saw it on TV back in 1971. Great movie that makes the Henry Fonda version look like Cliff’s Notes.

Also have WATERLOO Rod Stieger and Christopher Plummer) with battle scenes directed by Bondarchuk.
9TH Company directed by son of Bondarchuk.
Also COME AND SEE, a very brutal film (Just ignore the comment section by Sean Penn).
Also have a German version of STALINGRAD.
And ATTACK ON LENINGRAD.

A few others I have recently acquired are..
Stosstrupp 1917
Westfront 1918
Mountain in Flames.

And many more.

Goof: If you have the Russian version of War and Peace, look close at the battle of Bordino. You will see a few troops in the background with bolt action rifles.


14 posted on 02/27/2014 7:31:02 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: warchild9
I watched "Battle of the Bulge" (that awful 60s movie with Henry Fonda) with my grandfather. He saw it "The original showing, in techicolor", as he put it....

When the movie was over, I asked him what he thought. He said "It was a fine movie" (it wasn't, but grandpa would never speak ill of anything) "But no one in it looked cold enough."

Now, I judge war movies by how cold (or hot), wet, hungry, dirty, and in overall general misery the actors look. "Band of Brothers" did the best that I've seen. "Ryan" was close, but it also was done by a lot of the same people.

15 posted on 02/27/2014 7:46:06 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

My daddy (a three-war Marine) always said:

“Let’s YOU spend three weeks in the boonies with no toilet paper!”

/the actors in “Platoon” went through a three-week boot camp in the Phillipine jungles to get that look juuuuust right


16 posted on 02/27/2014 7:49:16 AM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9
Yep. My point exactly. :-)

Grandpa used to run the fireplace, full bore. Many was the time I'd go to visit him, and he'd be sitting next to a roaring fire, and the Air Conditioning in the house would be running, too, so that the rest of the family wouldn't get driven out of the house from the heat.

I asked him "Why", once. "Because I can, now." Enough said. :-)

"Platoon" was OK. Would have been better if it hadn't been done by Oliver Stone.

17 posted on 02/27/2014 7:54:54 AM PST by wbill
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The 1959 version of “The Bridge” is very good if you can find it.


18 posted on 02/27/2014 8:01:46 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

In Private Ryan I thought the German guy getting let go and then coming back to haunt them was a great lesson on appeasement. Maybe it wasn’t intended that way in the movie but it was a good lesson.


19 posted on 02/27/2014 8:05:55 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: fella
The 1959 version of “The Bridge” is very good if you can find it.

That's the one with the platoon of German kids guarding the bridge, right? I watched that on Youtube.

20 posted on 02/27/2014 8:09:49 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: C19fan

What pisses me off are the infiltrator cold war relic type of trolls who have hit forums making Russians look bad.

Its a different Russia now a days.

Russia has....been there..done that. They dumped socialism

Americans are not acting hard enough to refuse socialism AND Islamic invasion.

Russians are earning respect, America has lost it.
I loved the Sochii games, all I saw for two weeks was complaints and whiners on many forums. Russians did dam good, all around, period. They did not cheat, nor did they whine.


21 posted on 02/27/2014 8:12:21 AM PST by Spartan302
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To: BenLurkin

“Who is going to see a movie about Nazis versus Communists?”

Teachable moment.

The takeaway from Stalingrad and every great battle is one of humanity rather than politics. The only thing those two ideologies were good for at Stalingrad was heightening the intensity of battle, its duration and its cost while assuring their soldiers they’d be shot if they retreated. Somewhere in there is a strong lesson about the treatment of humanity in the hands of socialist ideologies.


22 posted on 02/27/2014 8:22:57 AM PST by Justa
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To: C19fan

‘7 hours masterpiece “War and Peace”.’

Yeah, I didn’t see the movie, but I did go and see the off-Broadway production of, ‘War, What Is It Good For?’.


23 posted on 02/27/2014 8:27:05 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: wbill
Now, I judge war movies by how cold (or hot), wet, hungry, dirty, and in overall general misery the actors look. "Band of Brothers" did the best that I've seen. "Ryan" was close, but it also was done by a lot of the same people.

I agree, Band of Brothers did a fine job of showing realistic conditions. There's a German-made file about Stalingrad (early 1990s, IIRC) that is also exceptional in terms of gritty realism. Talvisota, the 1989 foreign film about the Winter War in Finland does well in that regard, too.

24 posted on 02/27/2014 9:07:18 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: wbill

***I watched “Battle of the Bulge” (that awful 60s movie with Henry Fonda)***

I saw that back in the 1960s. A good FICTIONAL film, with parts cut out, definitely not the real BATTLE OF THE BULGE. In the end titles they even say they “synthesized” events for that film.

The movie version I saw was chopped up with important parts missing. It took me 50 years to see the uncut version on TCM which was better and could have used a different title.

You would be surprised how many good films we saw were cut down before showing to the great “Unwashed”, only to be re released to DVD in their full versions.


25 posted on 02/27/2014 9:10:34 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I liked the movie but what drove me nuts was no German tanks. They could have thrown plywood or thick card stock over the sides and turret to kind of look like tigers or panthers. It bugged me as a kid and it still bugs me today.


26 posted on 02/27/2014 11:05:50 AM PST by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: Slump Tester

They ended up wasting that Nazi in the end when he was recaptured. He was executed by the kid that watched his friend lose a knife fight to him, was too scared to do anything about it. The Nazi left the coward behind and went back to the battle.

The coward recognized him at the end, went up to him, and shot him.

It took me a couple of times before I understood that the guy he shot was the same Nazi they captured and let go.

Not sure what Spielberg was advocating there, but . . .


27 posted on 02/27/2014 11:25:10 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: C19fan

Cornelius Ryan wrote 3 WW2 books. The one about Berlin describe some of the brutality.

The Longest Day: 6 June 1944 D-Day
The Last Battle <— Battle for Berlin
A Bridge Too Far


28 posted on 02/27/2014 11:54:08 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

Buy all 3 books.
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Battle-Classic-History-Berlin/dp/0684803291


29 posted on 02/27/2014 12:34:26 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Charles Martel
There's a German-made file about Stalingrad (early 1990s, IIRC) that is also exceptional in terms of gritty realism. Talvisota, the 1989 foreign film about the Winter War in Finland does well in that regard, too.

I have both of those and the recent Japanese production, 'Yamato' and the Russian film 'Ninth Company'.

30 posted on 02/27/2014 4:52:39 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
I liked the movie but what drove me nuts was no German tanks. They could have thrown plywood or thick card stock over the sides and turret to kind of look like tigers or panthers. It bugged me as a kid and it still bugs me today.

You'll appreciate a movie coming out this year, then. 'Fury' with Brad Pitt. The villain is Bovington's Tiger 131, the only running Tiger I left, to my knowledge.

31 posted on 02/27/2014 4:57:28 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: skeeter

“It lost me when I saw Ted Danson the paratrooper.”

Whatever you think of him, and I don’t have much use for him, he played the part straight.


32 posted on 02/27/2014 5:17:28 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Riley
I recently noticed some clips of Yamato on YouTube, but haven't yet given it a serious look. At first glance, it does appear to be well-crafted.
33 posted on 02/27/2014 6:06:03 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: PLMerite
Agreed he's a pretty good actor.

But he was a tad old for the part. I didn't much care for the scene he first appeared in either - more like a scene from Die Hard than anything else.

34 posted on 02/27/2014 6:36:11 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Charles Martel
Anotehr recent war movie Eternal Zero, seems to have impressed some of my Japanese friends. The trailers don't look too bad special effects-wise, either.
35 posted on 02/27/2014 6:38:38 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Charles Martel
I recently noticed some clips of Yamato on YouTube, but haven't yet given it a serious look. At first glance, it does appear to be well-crafted.

Watching it is a strange experience, both empathizing with the characters and rooting for the 'bad guys' at the same time.

36 posted on 02/28/2014 3:26:03 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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