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SC officer shoots man reaching for cane
Washington Post ^ | 26 Feb 2014 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/27/2014 9:10:59 AM PST by DariusBane

“The situation is very unfortunate,” Faris said, reading from a statement at a news conference. “It does appear, at this time, that Deputy Knox’s actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life.”

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KEYWORDS: abuse; police; sc; shooting; southcarolina
Here we go again
1 posted on 02/27/2014 9:10:59 AM PST by DariusBane
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To: DariusBane

the money quote:“The situation is very unfortunate,” Faris said, reading from a statement at a news conference. “It does appear, at this time, that Deputy Knox’s actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life.”

This sounds like something from The Onion.

It is a horrible event that the idiots we pay to go around collecting taxes and cracking skulls shot a dude with a cane thinking it is a rifle.

The very scary part is the Officer gets institutional sanction. That should chill your blood.


2 posted on 02/27/2014 9:13:04 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

Probably get a reprimand for not killing the citizen.


3 posted on 02/27/2014 9:17:30 AM PST by DManA
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To: DariusBane

Much as I respect the job cops have to do(two of my cousins are cops) if they knew that every once and a while one of them is going to get blown away because some citizen seeing them drive by thought they were going to attack said citizen it might balance things out.


4 posted on 02/27/2014 9:18:00 AM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: DariusBane

Chilling indeed-the only remedy that makes an impression anymore on these JBT’s and their enablers is to lawyer up and sue the respective city/county until their eyeballs fall out...


5 posted on 02/27/2014 9:18:15 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: jmacusa

It seems that having police visit you should put you in fear for your life. I wonder if this defence would work for citizen “You”.


6 posted on 02/27/2014 9:19:34 AM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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7 posted on 02/27/2014 9:20:42 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Texan5

That’s not good enough.

This won’t stop until the Police Institutions change. Either that or when the Ukrainian style riots happen here the cops better not ask for my help.

I will watch them burn in their Police cars screaming for their mommy’s. I won’t lift a finger.


8 posted on 02/27/2014 9:21:08 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

Cop fires several times at an old man leaning over his truck bed and hits him once. Good shooting there Barney.

Could have been worse. Old guy have been carrying a concealed colostomy.


9 posted on 02/27/2014 9:22:55 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Ingtar

I hope so too. One things for sure if you have a dog and the Man shows up the pooch is as good as dead.


10 posted on 02/27/2014 9:24:47 AM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: DariusBane
It is a horrible event that the idiots we pay to go around collecting taxes and cracking skulls shot a dude with a cane thinking it is a rifle.

We no longer have brave cops. Just a bunch of trigger-happy punks. Bravery takes guts to use your brain to overcome fear and evaluate the situation before resorting to violence. Especially against seniors with disabilities, kids, and tail-wagging dogs. Bravery is now old school and out of fashion among cops. Sad.

11 posted on 02/27/2014 9:34:01 AM PST by roadcat
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To: DariusBane

One of these a day here lately.


12 posted on 02/27/2014 9:35:47 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: DariusBane
I won’t lift a finger.

Many feel the same way.

13 posted on 02/27/2014 9:40:10 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: DariusBane

Agreed, but legally depleting the city/county wallet bit by bit with justifiable lawsuit awards pisses off the taxpayers, undermines the corruption and limits how much the idiots can spend on intimidation-it is a start...


14 posted on 02/27/2014 9:40:56 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: DariusBane
Some old men are dangerous...

Shooting death of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller
15 posted on 02/27/2014 9:45:58 AM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: DariusBane
Several shots at a 70-year-old man from what must have been 15 feet away at most, and he hit him once.

That sounds like panic firing to me.

GUN!! pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop

"Deputy Knox’s actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life.”

Right. Because he's a cop and everyone he meets wants him dead. Every stick might be a gun. Every wallet might be a pistol.

Unless the old man was screaming, "I'm gonna shoot you, M-F-!" this guy was out of control. What the h- kind of training are these guys receiving?
16 posted on 02/27/2014 9:48:36 AM PST by servo1969
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To: DariusBane

Once again, the cops recuse themselves of any wrongdoing.


17 posted on 02/27/2014 9:49:30 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Dallas59

That cop had plenty of warning. He didn’t have to go off half cocked to avoid getting shot.

If you are trying to use this video as a reason or an example for cops to shoot first and ask questions later that is a big fail.

But cops will be getting more of that treatment as the public becomes fearful and trigger happy of cops. Open season for cops and citizens is a dangerous world.


18 posted on 02/27/2014 9:50:46 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

They will sit on it for a while, but the cop will be found innocent of all wrongdoing.

The city is 100% responsible for all medical bills and expenses caused to the innocent man. In addition, the man is due a large settlement for his troubles. It should be in the tens of millions.

Obviously, none of it will be paid, and the country will sink deeper into fascism.


19 posted on 02/27/2014 9:52:27 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: DariusBane

If this is SOP then every citizen must view all police as a mortal danger. And if that’s the case it’s your moral duty to avoid any interaction with police at all costs.


20 posted on 02/27/2014 9:54:17 AM PST by DManA
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To: DariusBane
:“The situation is very unfortunate,” Faris said, reading from a statement at a news conference. “It does appear, at this time, that Deputy Knox’s actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life.”

Can you see the Police making this same statement if had been a civilian that shot the guy?

21 posted on 02/27/2014 10:00:31 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

Or if the old man had beat the shiite out of the cop because the old man “feared for his life”.


22 posted on 02/27/2014 10:02:06 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

The police are poorly trained and out-of-control. Thugs. At least the vet didn’t have a dog with him. It would have been shot also.


23 posted on 02/27/2014 10:10:41 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: DariusBane

Fear not it’s just Obama’s army in test mode.


24 posted on 02/27/2014 10:13:13 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: servo1969
What the h- kind of training are these guys receiving?

The video link in post 15 "The shooting of Kyle Dinkheller" is frequently used in police training nationwide. It's a perfect example of why terrified officers shoot first and ascertain facts to support claims of "reasonable fear" later.

Training is the problem, it is fast approaching the "zero tolerance" policies found in schools. Only voters can put a stop to it, either by defunding law enforcement or by insisting true independent civilian oversight and review of of shootings. Civilians should also have control over training curriculum so that it is properly balanced in favor of civilian safety over officer safety.

25 posted on 02/27/2014 10:17:03 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: DariusBane

Poor old guy, At least now the cops will learn to respect the new 4-barrelled semi-automatic walker he’ll have to use to get around now.


26 posted on 02/27/2014 10:17:42 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: servo1969

Because he’s a cop and everyone he meets wants him dead.

As they get worse and worse, your statement becomes truer and truer.


27 posted on 02/27/2014 10:35:16 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: DariusBane

Look, it’s pretty much a cardinal rule that when you are around a cop, you DO NOT make any sudden movements, and you keep your hands in plain sight, if at all possible, and empty of *anything* that could conceivably look like a weapon.

The very best, most assuring way to behave is to follow “Military instructional rules.” This is pretty easy to do, if you think about it ahead of time. Simply put, you give the cop a lot of feedback about what you are doing.

For example, you get pulled over in a traffic stop. You roll down your window just a few inches and put both hands on the top of your steering wheel.

Cop: “May I see you license, registration, and proof of insurance, sir?”

You: “My license is in my wallet. My registration, and proof of insurance are in my glove box. I am now reaching for my wallet.”

It sounds methodical, and it is. If you have a weapon in your glove box, you tell them that it is there *first* and that you are licensed, as needs be, to have it.

I have done this at a traffic stop, and it works, to a great extent because it makes you sound like a military type who is not going to do something rash or stupid.


28 posted on 02/27/2014 10:40:43 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Excellent advice.


29 posted on 02/27/2014 10:44:12 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

This is how you deal with police in a banana republic.

Next you will advise us to wrap your license in a $20 bill.


30 posted on 02/27/2014 10:51:13 AM PST by DManA
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To: Texan5

When people begun to understand that the officer knocking at the door may well shoot whoever answers the door, warfare between police and citizens will begin in earnest.


31 posted on 02/27/2014 11:00:10 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

So the next time someone sees a cop and fears for his life, he would be justified in shooting the officer? There would be quite a few vacancies in the nations police departments.
I doubt it would be found justified or they would be put on a paid vacation like the cops do.


32 posted on 02/27/2014 11:09:11 AM PST by toomanylaws
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To: arthurus

And it will make for dangerous living for everyone-I would feel like I’m a teen watching my back in the 60’s again if I still lived in a city...


33 posted on 02/27/2014 11:12:18 AM PST by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: arthurus
When people begun to understand that the officer knocking at the door may well shoot whoever answers the door, warfare between police and citizens will begin in earnest.

Install cameras at your door, with both frontal and side views. Make sure the video is recorded, and that the storage device is well hidden or mirrored to the cloud elsewhere. Check a video monitor anytime someone knocks at the door. Use a speakerphone device to communicate. Determine intentions long before deciding to open that front door. Most communications can be completed without resorting to opening the door. Works for us. Until they come knocking asking about grabbing guns, then I don't know what will happen after that. That day is coming for all of us.

34 posted on 02/27/2014 11:30:23 AM PST by roadcat
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yeah... Good advice after the fact.

However, this sounds more like blaming the shooting on the old man. Not going to work. No excuse for this one.


35 posted on 02/27/2014 11:51:00 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: servo1969

Warning shots.


36 posted on 02/27/2014 12:03:03 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: DManA

No, I figure this should be the situation were I in the officer’s shoes.

Importantly, I am a proponent of “Old West” rules for LEOs, rules that were foolishly superseded by SWAT rules in the mid-1970s; as well as for states to de-paramilitarize their LEOs.

However, LEOs do face off, far too often, against real bad men, so have to have the attitude, especially with road stops, that somebody may come out of their vehicle guns blazing, or with the intent to kill.

As an aside, in real “banana republics”, their police are often toting machine guns. And while the officer you see in Germany, for example, may not have a gun at all, the one you do not see has a machine gun as well. With the safety off.

North America is different in that our cops usually are on their own, and just have a pistol. So somewhat different tactical rules.

The victim in this case made two very bad errors. The first was in exiting his vehicle without being told to, and the second was reaching in his bed for his cane. And that’s enough to get you shot.


37 posted on 02/27/2014 12:04:45 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And that’s enough to get you shot.

That should be unacceptable, AGAIN, in this country.

38 posted on 02/27/2014 12:16:58 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

That’s almost a gun control argument in its logic. That if people weren’t allowed to have guns, then nobody would get shot. But the reality is otherwise, so people need guns to defend themselves against violent criminals. And the police are part of this.

Did Rodney King deserve his beating? He did everything in his power to unnerve, frighten, and unbalance police while engaged in reckless endangerment of innocent people. By the time he was finally stopped, to me at least, it is no surprise that the police beat him.

Was it “unprofessional” of the police to do this? Yes and no. Legally, they shouldn’t have, but they had been pushed to their limits. And this happens far too often to too many officers to be ignored.

If you do something to a cop that looks threatening to him, even if it seems perfectly innocent to you, there is a good likelihood that he will react, because if he doesn’t react just once, when he needed to, he could very well be killed.

And what would have happened if the cop hadn’t reacted, and the old guy pulled a shotgun on him? Would there be real tears for the dead cop?


39 posted on 02/27/2014 12:42:34 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I have no idea what you are talking about.

That’s almost a gun control argument in its logic.

40 posted on 02/27/2014 12:47:06 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Saying “unacceptable” means nothing. It is very acceptable, and even necessary, as far as policemen not being killed in the line of duty. It doesn’t matter if only 1 in 1000 people they meet wants to kill them. He wants to kill them. So being protected from him is more important than being apprehensive around the other 999.

So, the old man pulled a shotgun, not a cane, and shot the policeman dead. Is that acceptable, either?


41 posted on 02/27/2014 12:57:10 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That is absurd.

I am a free man, and those cops are just citizens like me. They wear guns. They should be careful where they point them and give me the same information about what they are doing.


42 posted on 02/27/2014 1:15:06 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I’ve done this every time I was ever stopped which was quite often when I was in my early 20’s. Of course I learned that from my brother who was a cop and my best friend who was a cop too. Pretty simple to speak clearly of your intentions to comply with their directives.

Still even those two were old school cops, I don’t trust any of the new breed at all...EVER!


43 posted on 02/27/2014 1:27:38 PM PST by shotgun
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To: DariusBane

Always an ‘imminent threat’. I see cops as an imminent threat, so can I just shoot them on sight before they shoot me?


44 posted on 02/27/2014 1:35:39 PM PST by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: DariusBane

All that’s required is that a cop imagines that a citizen ‘may’ pose a threat and the cop has the right to kill the person...


45 posted on 02/27/2014 3:38:50 PM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Saying “unacceptable” means nothing.

Course it means something. If it’s acceptable then people shrug their solders, like you, and say hey, a stack of dead civilians is the price we pay to live in a country where people pay their car tax on time, never go 1 mph over the arbitrary speed limit, walk around the car making sure every light bulb works before they sit behind the wheel.

If it’s unacceptable then a cop that shoots an innocent civilian, not hurting anyone, just wanting to be left alone, AT LEAST gets fired.


46 posted on 02/27/2014 5:52:19 PM PST by DManA
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To: toomanylaws

It would be justified but would never be “found justified.”


47 posted on 02/27/2014 5:59:36 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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