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Wooly Mammoth Mystery Finally Solved?
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 2-28-14 | Jake Hebert

Posted on 02/28/2014 12:56:27 PM PST by fishtank

Wooly Mammoth Mystery Finally Solved?

by Jake Hebert, Ph.D. *

Researchers claim to potentially have solved the mystery of the wooly mammoth’s mass extinction.1 After drilling permafrost cores in Alaska, Canada, and northern Russia, a team led by Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen analyzed DNA remnants of Arctic vegetation within those cores. Based upon their analysis of the cores, they concluded that edible plants called forbs (which include sagebrush, yarrow, and mums) were once much more abundant upon the Arctic steppes. Furthermore, the stomach contents within mammoth and other animal carcasses seem to indicate that the mammoths preferred these forbs. The scientists theorize that an “invasion” by grasses crowded out the forbs, greatly reducing the amount of the mammoths’ preferred foods. But is this really an adequate explanation? Researchers have long assumed that mammoths did eat grasses, as do modern-day elephants. Yet, even if the mammoths preferred forbs, they could still have presumably subsisted on a grass-rich diet.

This is only the latest of many theories offered to explain the wooly mammoth’s extinction. As recently as 2013, scientists attributed the animal’s disappearance to a warming climate.2

Not only is the extinction of the wooly mammoth difficult for secular scientists to explain, but perhaps somewhat surprisingly, the creature’s past presence in large numbers in Siberia and other places is also problematic. In secular thinking, we are now living within a warm, relatively short “interglacial” period that separates longer, colder “glacials” or ice ages. Yet even in today’s supposedly warmer climate, the long winters in Siberia are extremely cold, with temperatures often reaching -40°C or lower!3 How could even the wooly mammoths have tolerated such extremely cold temperatures?

Numbering in the millions, the mammoth herds were too numerous and slow-moving to travel to warmer regions during the winter.4 And even if they could have migrated during winters and returned to Siberia in the summers, the warmer months would also have threatened them, as the sun would have melted the top layers of permafrost and created treacherous bogs for the large beasts to navigate.

It stands to reason that Siberia’s past climate must have actually been warmer than it is today, with an absence of permafrost. However, this presents an additional problem for secular, uniformitarian theories that assume the exact opposite—a colder climate prior to what they would consider our current warmer “interglacial.”

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Article posted on February 28, 2014.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: mammoth
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1 posted on 02/28/2014 12:56:27 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

http://www.icr.org/article/8010/


2 posted on 02/28/2014 12:56:40 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I thought they all froze to death from Mammoth pattern baldness


3 posted on 02/28/2014 12:59:34 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: fishtank

Headline (in Britain):

Wooly Mammoth Died Out By Eating Only Mums!


4 posted on 02/28/2014 1:00:37 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: fishtank

What mystery?
Noah is well documented as a Mammoth hater.

He simply didn’t put any Mammoths on his ark.

Thus, no Mammoths. Duh.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 1:02:18 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: fishtank

Obamacare killed them off?


6 posted on 02/28/2014 1:09:53 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: humblegunner
What mystery?

Or, maybe all of their hair fell out so they changed their name to humble elephant!

7 posted on 02/28/2014 1:11:32 PM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: humblegunner

He wasn’t very fond of unicorns either...


8 posted on 02/28/2014 1:11:50 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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9 posted on 02/28/2014 1:12:22 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: humblegunner

“Noah is well documented as a Mammoth hater.

He simply didn’t put any Mammoths on his ark”

They would have made the Ark capsize,,, like Guam!


10 posted on 02/28/2014 1:12:48 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: fishtank

As soon as they discover a preserved 20,000 BC SUV, the mystery will be solved.


11 posted on 02/28/2014 1:13:42 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: humblegunner

Mammoth, goes well with coffee and crullers.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 1:14:06 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: fishtank
Well they usually try to blame ancient humans over hunting them with the "assault" atlatl. They're slipping up.

At least they did manage to get global warming in there.

13 posted on 02/28/2014 1:16:04 PM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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Obscure dead sea texts depict Noah as having used "heavy sticks and lightning" to keep Mammoths off his ark.

This is obviously a reference to billy-clubs and / or Tasers.

..With Tasers...

14 posted on 02/28/2014 1:17:15 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: fishtank

Not sure why this is considered a creation-science issue: wooly mammoths were still around when the pyramids were being built. That’s right: if Abraham wandered far enough into the mountains, he might have seen a few.

And the fact that scientists have problems inferring why they went extinct from such scant evidence 3,000 years later hardly is “problematic” to the principles of paleontology.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 1:19:28 PM PST by dangus
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To: Proud2BeRight

A question for anybody—some years ago, maybe 10, a team of scientists found a fully intact, perfectly frozen woolly mammoth in Siberia. Their goal was to thaw it out, clone it or partner it with an elephant, then place the embryo in an elephant’s womb. That was a while ago and I haven’t heard one word about it since then. Does anybody know whatever became of the project? Just curious.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 1:21:18 PM PST by huckfillary
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To: fishtank

17 posted on 02/28/2014 1:22:15 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Proud2BeRight

A question for anybody—some years ago, maybe 10, a team of scientists found a fully intact, perfectly frozen woolly mammoth in Siberia. Their goal was to thaw it out, clone it or partner it with an elephant, then place the embryo in an elephant’s womb. That was a while ago and I haven’t heard one word about it since then. Does anybody know whatever became of the project? Just curious.


18 posted on 02/28/2014 1:22:28 PM PST by huckfillary
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To: null and void

That’s not true. Noah loved unicorns. He begged them to hurry up, but they were goofing off and didn’t take him seriously.


19 posted on 02/28/2014 1:25:11 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Dr. Thorne

They certainly could have migrated.
Caribou do so today, over distances that would be comparable, and they also deal with permafrost, taiga and tundra.

Elephants are known to travel such distances also. And they are not a bit slow-moving in fact. I don’t see why mammoths have to be assumed to move slowly.

They could also, like other still existent arctic animals, have dealt with ice ages by simply displacing their range southwards. That sort of thing is well documented in the fossil record. Since it is also well documented that the earth has been through numerous ice age cycles, obviously the mammoths survived several of these.

I think the best explanation for why they disappeared is that people showed up, and the Mammoths proved to be easy prey.


20 posted on 02/28/2014 1:25:31 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Jed Eckert

The atlatl is quite efficient.
But I dont think that was the decisive tool.
I think the root problem is that people were way smarter predators than anything these beasts had to deal with before, and their reproduction rate just wasn’t up to balancing the increased mortality.

Same deal with the extinction of large beasts in North America. Better predators showed up and hunted them out.

The same thing happened, already in historical times, to the giant moa birds of New Zealand.


21 posted on 02/28/2014 1:31:06 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

By that logic why aren’t African and Indian elephants extinct too? Wouldn’t they also be easy prey?


22 posted on 02/28/2014 1:33:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: fishtank

Sheez! That’s easy. The evil republicans cut off subsidies for wool. No more wooly mammoths.


23 posted on 02/28/2014 2:00:26 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: TigersEye

Who knows ? The best reason for the killed-off-by-humans hypothesis is that the timing works.

Possibly the mammoth population was living much closer to the edge, in terms of food supply, than the African and Indian animals, which live in relative abundance. Maybe the mammoths were relatively scarce due to their environment and needed large territories and were thus easier to hunt out. Maybe in Africa and Asia there were lots of other animals to hunt, most of them easier prey than elephants (And this is true; pre firearms in Africa elephant hunting just wasn’t done. “White hunters” were often asked by the natives to thin elephant herds because hunting them was very dangerous using native weapons).


24 posted on 02/28/2014 2:01:43 PM PST by buwaya
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To: fishtank
"...with temperatures often reaching -40°C or lower!"

I'm glad they designated the temperature as Celsius or it might have been confusing. :{)

25 posted on 02/28/2014 2:04:05 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: 2banana

Mums the word.


26 posted on 02/28/2014 2:06:05 PM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: buwaya
“White hunters” were often asked by the natives to thin elephant herds because hunting them was very dangerous using native weapons).

As opposed to the sophisticated weapons used on Mammoths?

27 posted on 02/28/2014 2:06:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

As opposed to, if you live in Africa, why risk your life hunting elephants when you have a easier ways to make a living.

If you lived in ancient Siberia, maybe there wasn’t an easier way to make a living.


28 posted on 02/28/2014 2:11:10 PM PST by buwaya
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To: fishtank
I blame ancient man's desire for indoor plumbing.


29 posted on 02/28/2014 2:13:09 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: fishtank

Scientist say they have solved the mystery of the Wooly Mammoth’s extinction, definitely, pretty sure, kind of,well maybe, or not.


30 posted on 02/28/2014 2:22:54 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: gorush

“...with temperatures often reaching -40°C or lower!”

Thanks for the reminder. -40 is where both scales agree.


31 posted on 02/28/2014 2:37:13 PM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
That’s not true. Noah loved unicorns. He begged them to hurry up, but they were goofing off and didn’t take him seriously.

A long time ago, when the Earth was green,
There were more kinds of animals than you have ever seen,
They'd roam around free while the Earth was bein' born,
And the lovliest of all was the unicorn.

32 posted on 02/28/2014 2:38:10 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: fishtank

Hasn’t it been scientifically established that mammoths lived on Wrangle Island until about 4,000-5,000 years ago? How does this theory account for that?


33 posted on 02/28/2014 2:42:00 PM PST by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: fishtank

Of course none of that explains how many of them were effectively flash frozen.


34 posted on 02/28/2014 2:57:13 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: buwaya
The atlatl is quite efficient. But I dont think that was the decisive tool. I think the root problem is that people were way smarter predators than anything these beasts had to deal with before, and their reproduction rate just wasn’t up to balancing the increased mortality.

Same deal with the extinction of large beasts in North America. Better predators showed up and hunted them out.

I agree about the atlatl. I listened to a discussion among some modern big game hunters regarding ancient man and the use of the atlatl on large animals like the mammoth. The consensus was it would take many multiple hits on one animal to bring it down all the while dealing with the rest of the herd trying to protect the injured animal.(Assuming mammoths displayed the same type of behavior as modern African elephants)

Probably a combination of things led to their extinction including the loss of their food supply.

The same thing happened, already in historical times, to the giant moa birds of New Zealand.

Ah yes the moa. Flightless birds were pretty well on the short end once man showed up. Even if man couldn't kill off all the adults the eggs would have been easy pickings.

35 posted on 02/28/2014 3:01:19 PM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: fishtank

Have you checked the contents of Michele Obama’s stomach?

That might give you a close as to the fate of the Mammoths.

Too many hamburgers and fries, I’ll bet.


36 posted on 02/28/2014 3:07:06 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: TigersEye

Elephants and pre-humans existed in Africa for millions of years. Humans became lethal to elephants very gradually, giving elephants time to evolve a healthy fear of humans and strategies to avoid and evade them.

Humans arrived in the Americas relatively in a blink of an eye, fully lethal. The American elephant cousins didn’t have time to adapt.


37 posted on 02/28/2014 3:11:09 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

That theory has some merit.


38 posted on 02/28/2014 3:12:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jed Eckert

It doesn’t necessarily mean lots of hits for an immediate kill. Just enough to be incapacitating and cause eventual collapse, maybe days later. One good abdominal puncture will probably do. Some of mans advantages as a predatory animal are incredible endurance, attention span and ability to track, compared to most mammals.

And perhaps part of the mammoths problems were that they didn’t live in large herds, due to scarcity.


39 posted on 02/28/2014 3:13:48 PM PST by buwaya
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To: fishtank

I don’t get his question about how wooly mammoths could have tolerated “such extremely cold temperatures” as -40. Animals live in Siberia, Scandinavia, Alaska, and Canada in temperatures like that now, don’t they?


40 posted on 02/28/2014 3:16:20 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Of course they do. The temperature is not decisive in itself.
Food supply is a problem however.
Animals do have to come up with mechanisms to survive the winter food supply problem, like hibernation or migration.


41 posted on 02/28/2014 3:20:22 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
The best reason for the killed-off-by-humans hypothesis is that the timing works.

Yup. Megafauna disappears shortly after man shows up.

North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, Madagscar, etc.

42 posted on 02/28/2014 3:43:07 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: buwaya
pre firearms in Africa elephant hunting just wasn’t done.

Not quite true.

Pygmies certainly hunted elephants.

Some Ethiopian tribes hunted elephants on horseback with broadswords. That certainly sounds like an exciting sport!

43 posted on 02/28/2014 3:47:00 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: TigersEye

The theory is that African and southern Asian megafauna evolved along with humans, so were adapted to them when they finally became truly effective hunters.

North Eurasia, the Americas, Oz, Madagascar, New Zealand, no such luck.


44 posted on 02/28/2014 3:50:51 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Jed Eckert
The consensus was it would take many multiple hits on one animal to bring it down all the while dealing with the rest of the herd trying to protect the injured animal.

Don't think so. Pygmies and Bushmen kill large animals all the time.

Two main methods.

Weak bows with poison arrows.

Arrows or spears in the gut. Infection starts. Follow the animal around for a few days till it collapses. Not what we call sporting, but quite effective.

45 posted on 02/28/2014 3:54:05 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Jed Eckert

Here’s some video of pygmies killing elephants without firearms.

http://vimeo.com/4803893

African and Asian civilizations have been using elephants as working animals for 4000 years or more. If you can trap and tame an elephant, you can certainly kill one.


46 posted on 02/28/2014 4:09:07 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

For the most part it wasn’t the case across broad reaches of Africa. Not in Kenya, not in South Africa, etc. There are plenty of old 19th century hunters memoirs around, who made their living off Ivory, making this point. Its a recurring item in Rider Haggards books, and he knew dozens of those guys.


47 posted on 02/28/2014 4:10:28 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Negative 40 C, huh? Guess that kinda blows my theory they were driven to extinction by global warming.


48 posted on 02/28/2014 4:15:06 PM PST by Robwin
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To: fishtank

They all decided to become gay.


49 posted on 02/28/2014 4:26:08 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JimRed

Ah, you’ve quoted the original source.


50 posted on 02/28/2014 4:32:16 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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